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Message 1
From: Phil Hillmer
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:01:18 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44069] Widening, expanding rainbow roll - possible?
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Hi,

Is there a technique to do a three color rainbow roll which is wider at one
end than the other? If so how could one do it?

I tried moving the brayer paralell to the direction of travel (roller
rotation) to start with, and then pivoted it 90 degrees holding it
perpinduclar to travel direction i.e. normal roll out towards the end -
smearing the ink on the roll in the process, but it's really hard to
control. Is there another way?

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Message 2
From: David Bull
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:23:53 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44070] Inkling
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For those of you who like to draw ... and for those of you who use a
computer in your work ... meet the Inkling!

Demo video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXbBA1DRE84

Website:
http://www.wacom.com/en/Products/Inkling.aspx

Dave

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Message 3
From: Annie Bissett
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:48:15 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44071] Re: archiving prints/
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I have an 8-drawer flat file set that has been wonderful, but the new full-sheet prints I'm making (2 x 4 feet) are bigger than the drawers, so I'm heartbroken. Would love to hear if anyone stores prints rolled in tubes. Does the curl come out quickly? Or ever? Other solutions for storing bigger prints in small spaces?

Thanks for the topic, Andrew.

Annie

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Message 4
From: Clive Lewis
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:59:46 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44072] Re: Print Copyright Question
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Here's an article from Forbes Magazine on Mr Washington; apparently not one
of the 'I cannot tell a lie' Washingtons.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2004/0920/302.html

In part it says "Whatever the case, the art has proved a bonanza for
Washington. Since 1998 as many as 60,000 Washington prints may have been
sold on Ebay and at PBA Galleries in San Francisco and DuMouchelle's in
Detroit, among other venues, at prices ranging from $20 to $350. Vaughn
(Pete) Baughman, owner of Frogtown Books in Toledo, Ohio, says he bought
5,000 to 7,000 prints, paying Washington $12 to $35 each, and resold 2,000
or so over the Internet. "

60,000 prints in 13 years!!!! We should have this guy as guest speaker at
the next Baren Summit:-)

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Message 5
From: David Bull
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:29:32 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44073] Re: Print Copyright Question
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Clive wrote:
> 60,000 prints in 13 years!!!! We should have this guy as guest
> speaker at the next Baren Summit

Well, he's got me beat. My total currently stands at 28,795 prints out
the door ... (Actually that's low, because it only counts my
subscription prints, and includes none of the new year cards, Gift
Prints, etc. etc.)

But hey, mine are full colour, not the B&W stuff that this Washington
guy is making!

Dave

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Message 6
From: "Maria Arango Diener"
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:46:59 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44074] RE: Widening, expanding rainbow roll - possible?
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Yeah, use two rollers!

Seriously, it is very difficult to get an even layer of ink over three
different colors; especially the center color seems to get less ink no
matter how much you try to get the ink evenly spread.



What I do is spread the ink first on the slab with an ink knife. I get the
ink to lay down side by side almost touching in the correct proportions I
want, spread to a thin layer. Then I roll the roller and mix the ink with
the back and forth motion. I re-spread often with the ink knife so that
there is more control to begin with.



I keep extra brayers handy for touch ups, each brayer rolled up with the
individual colors. So if you want a wider area on one end, just roll up an
extra roller with that color and use that to widen the color on the block. A
few passes so that the "seam" is well blended.



Hope this helps.

Maria



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Message 7
From: "Maria Arango Diener"
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:50:47 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44075] Re: archiving prints/
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Get a bigger flat file? The ones from graphic shops can be huge; that is the
kind I got, about 53" wide drawers would fit your prints just fine. You can
use them as a work table to save space. Two friends of mine use their flat
files as a coffee table.

There are also hanging solutions, files for architectural plans that hang
neatly vertically. I would not want to keep prints curled up long term. That
curl has memory.

Maria

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Message 8
From: "Maria Arango Diener"
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:51:54 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44076] Re: Print Copyright Question
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Was that a "limited editon" of 250,000 prints? LOL



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Message 9
From: "bobcatpath # 207me.com"
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:54:57 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44077] edition storage etc
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Andrew i have ALOT of prints everywhere !
i mean in my house ,studio , cabin etc
i have PILES of "under-inked prints" which i used for making collages
if i could rent Maria for a week
perhaps i could get organized !
for years i kept prints stacked flat on shelves i built from plywood
or another method is to place them between the sheets of drawing pads
then one day 10 years ago the universe smiled and an artist GAVE me two huge beautiful
wooden flat files because she wanted more studio space ;-)
so those are now, of course, filled with prints
and 12 years of BAREN exchange sets
but really i still would only call myself semi- organized
i STILL have piles of prints everywhere !!
actually-
nothing says one has to print an entire edition all at once
so i usually just print enough to stay ahead of the demand
which used to be much greater when i was doing the shows like Maria
now i will usually print 1-10 to have on hand and for gifting
(i always give away the first print of an edition as sort of
a tithe to the universe or paying it forward)

Gillyin

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Message 10
From: Phil Hillmer
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:56:17 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44078] Re: Widening, expanding rainbow roll - possible?
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So if I am understanding you correctly maria, you first lay down a uniform
width rainbow roll on the block and widen the two outer colors without
disturbing the center color or the two seam widths on the block?

If so...I was trying to figure out how to gradually widen all three colors
not just the outer two and also taper the two fades or seams between the
three colors....are you saying that you widen the uniform seam and taper the
seam width after it's on the block?

If so, I'm not sure if I understand how you do it...

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Message 11
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 15:03:22 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44079] Re: Widening, expanding rainbow roll - possible?
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A big roller and a technique called a feather roll. Hard to control but doable after a lot of practice.
You start the roll like usual but lift as you roll. Then re ink the roller and turn the plate and roll from the other side doing the same thing with wider bands...you can do it but it takes a lot of practice.
I suggest a background use for the roll with image over the top so it you miss a bit it does not look bad.
The other choice is a big roller and rolling at an angle across the plate. Any movement on the plate to "rotate" the roller will probably show..but again it is a matter of practice to get control...I also suggest that the ink is very very thin on the roller, this will help you not to smear it
My best
Barbara

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Message 12
From: Phil Hillmer
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 15:07:27 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44080] Re: Widening, expanding rainbow roll - possible?
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Thanks Barbara I will give it a try...I have two four inch diameter
rollers. Maybe with some practice (and a lot of wasted ink LOL).

The tricky part is that I am trying to do this widening rainbow roll or
feather roll as you call it - over 5 1/2 inches in length. Not much room to
do it in.

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Message 13
From: "Maria Arango Diener"
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 15:21:24 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44081] Re: Widening, expanding rainbow roll - possible?
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If you want to widen the entire rainbow roll then you need a bigger roller!



If your rollers aren't big enough to lay ink over the whole block, then you
could use two rollers. One roller has colors one and two, the other roller
has colors two and three. Then just be careful not to get roller marks on
color two.



Sounds like you are trying a fairly complex "roll" to do in one pass; you
might try to rethink the piece in three separate colors.



You can do a rainbow roll with one color and transparent base, laying the
color where you want it letting the color fade out gently onto the area
where it will mix.

Then grab another roller and do another color the same way.

Third roller, third color, same thing.

This way you can control exactly where each color will lay and how wide each
color band is. Did that make sense?



Maria



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Message 14
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 15:22:36 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44082] Re: Widening, expanding rainbow roll - possible?
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Maybe you should cut up the block and print it as a puzzle block, ink each section and then assemble them on the press to print.
Maria has had great success with this
My best
Barbara

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Message 15
From: Graham Scholes
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:23:53 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44083] Re: archiving prints/
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STORAGE CABINET.
When I needed a cabinet for storage I looked at the commercial jobs.... $$$$$$ was beyond my budget.
So I made one.... It was not hard and the end result have been great.
http://www.woodblockart.ca/cabinet/
Take this information to someone that has table saw and it can easily be made.

ROLLING PAPER
If you are using Hosho paper rolling them is sort of OK.... I have had some rolled for a FEW years and
when I wet them and dry them between weighted board.... all is OK. Wouldn't do it again.
I rolled them with the image out.... so that when framed the possible set would be forced against the mat.
Not sure I would do that with cotton or pulp paper.

LIMITED EDITION.... 250,000
Reminds me of the time limited editions that saturated the market....
It caused the demise of the REAL print business.

NUMBER OF PRINTS SOLD
I feel that is very personal information.
The only info I offer is Sold Out.

WACOM TABLET.
This product has been around for 10 year. I have a 9" x 12" unit and have maybe used it 6 times
It is not for me.... Anybody want buy it?

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Message 16
From: Joe Martin
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:34:20 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44084] re. copyrights
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Some years ago, I made a print of my son lounging on the couch watching The Simpsons (Bart and Homer on the TV screen). The city of Portland wanted to buy a copy of the print and sent me a contract to sign. One question on the contract was --are you breaking any copyright laws in this artwork? (or something like that). My daughter had one of these prints hanging in her living room and a commercial artist friend remarked that he liked the print a lot, but it was too bad the artist couldn't sell it because of the copyright infringement. She told me that at the same time that I got the contract. So, went to see a copyright lawyer. He said I was OK, that the makers of the TV show sent it out into the air and that gave me some freedom to use it. He also said he knew the lawyers that represented them and they wouldn't sue me. (Portland is the home of the creator of The Simpsons). So, I am not totally sure if this was a gray area or not, but, the fun thing about the situation for me was that he said if I'd give him a copy of the print he'd wave his fee. So, I did.

Suzi SM

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Message 17
From: "Phare-Camp"
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 17:35:05 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44085] Storing Editions
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Andrew:

I keep editions in shipping envelopes inside of paper portfolios. I write
the print name on the outside of the edition's envelope. I list the print
names on the flap of the portfolio that the envelopes are stored in. I have
several portfolios stored in various places in the office so I can quickie
find them. Large portfolios are slipped in the 10" gap between my filing
cabinet and the printer stand, they are slipped between the wall and my desk
and they are slipped between the wall and the bookshelf. This is a great
way to store and organize large works on paper and it takes up very little
room.

Now I read Maria's comments and I love the idea of the mail sorter. You can
get one made of sturdy cardboard at an office supply store that you assemble
yourself (I store various types of office paper in my office this way) They
come with 12-36 slots and can be stacked and each slot can hold 1 ream of
8.5x11" bond (500 sheets) . This would be a great way to store small prints
with the editions separated into archival folders or envelopes. You could
number as Maria does or simply list the editions on the lip of the slots
they're stored in. I'm actually going to use Maria's idea and get a few
sets of mail sorters and move my editions of small prints into them.

I do have one flat/map file with 5 drawers (each drawer 25x30x2") I store
blank art papers in 4 drawers and the bottom drawer stores large works on
paper that were gifted to me by other artists. Hubby just built me a shed
so I can store frames and large canvases freeing up studio space; so I have
a big job ahead of me re-organizing the studio!

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Message 18
From: "Ellen Shipley"
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 18:39:06 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44086] Re: edition storage etc
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I have most of them stacked on edge in a large plastic tub with drawing
paper between the sets. They sort of lean over but they're mostly flat.
Also I don't completely close the tub -- my compromise between keeping dust
out and letting air circulate. Of course after a huge organizing push a
year or so ago I haven't been keeping up with the system and there are the
usual piles piling up.

I always give away the first print -- usually to my son. Actually the first
few go to family mostly. Then they go to exchanges or off to shows or up on
Etsy (I'm behind on keeping that up to date too).

This keeping organized business goes counter to the artistic brain I find.
;-]

Ellen

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Message 19
From: Phil Hillmer
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 18:40:00 GMT
Subject: [Baren 44087] Re: Widening, expanding rainbow roll - possible?
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Kind of Maria..... I am still not seeing it in my head... a way to make the
seam width between two colors varying in width.

I understand what you mean by rolling out one color and a transparent base
on one roller and then a second color with transparent base on a different
roller etc so you have two seperate rainbow rolls on two rollers and are
combining those two colors on two rolls on a block, but how are you
actually varying the seam widths along the roll out?

Baraba I was thinking about a jig saw puzzle but the only problem I can see
there is that with three seperate jig saw puzzle blocks with three different
colors a line or seam might show between the colors of the rainbow roll
seams.

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