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Message 1
From: Linda Beeman
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:16:13 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41359] does size matter?
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I've had several people comment that they are surprised that I am working so
big. The reason I chose the 14 x 18 inch is because I was thinking exhibit
rather than sale. Although sales would be great! I've looked at and
helped hang shows in several spaces and I couldn't figure out how to make this
series smaller and fill a space.
So it got me wondering what size others work in. Just curious.

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Message 2
From: ArtfulCarol # aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:13:26 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41360] Re: John Ryrie's Work
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Eye-boggling art of John Ryrie! Whoopie!
Carol L.

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Message 3
From: Elizabeth Atwood
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:20:35 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41361] Re: does size matter?
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When I first started with woodcuts and for many years, I worked at
the 14x18 size.
I was showing at my main gallery as the only printmaker and hung
amidst large oil and water color paintings.
Not until long after did I start to enjoy working at a smaller size.

The greatest advantage in the smaller size, is one of storage. I have
donated many of my old large blocks to friends who can use them to
"panel" rooms. It never occurred to me to finish them up the way that
Baren's Maria does.

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Message 4
From: Plannedscapes # aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 15:04:29 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41362] numbering variations
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the waterfall
Do you really intend to print very many that way? The limited nature of
the edition is intended to insure value by guaranteeing that the product has
scarcity. But at some point, the hand coloring of each individual color on
the plate means that the individuality of each one and the amount of time
spent on hand work outweighs the scarcity value and so defining it as a
limited edition is somewhat pointless. When i get a custom order for a print
on a certain colored paper, I make no effort to keep track of that; I
simply do not number the colored paper variants and put O.E. where the number
would have gone, for Open Edition - so if someone else some day asks for
"Good Karma" on blue, they can have it without me digging out records to see
how to number it or if I have exceeded my 10 or somesuch. So that is what I
would do: Make these experiments just be Open Editions and not worry about
it.
Karma Grotelueschen

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Message 5
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:50:11 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41363] Re: signing and numbering
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Viza,
You are right that generally states mean an alteration of some kind to
the matrix. However, ensuing editions generally denote that the
edition is the same, only more of them have been made, or there may be
a "slight" change. So, I think you are in a gray area since you have
changed the printing drastically. In one state you have metal leaf
applied, in another it is not, in another it is white line and moku
hanga. They are all so different. But, they are not variants,
either. Even the white line edition/state if you attempt to make them
all alike are not variants per se. Bottom line is: you have a whole
different kind of animal here. I guess that entitles you do whatever
you want. At this point I guess you can come up with something
totally original and confound the curators. LOL

Cheers ~
Sharri

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Message 6
From: Viza Arlington
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:19:36 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41364] Re: signing and numbering
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Maybe i should make something up! i like 1/20IFM (1/20 Impressions
From Matrix) that would simplify things. it guarantees a limited
number of prints will be made but leaves me free to change or not
change the the way i print it, colors i use, and what paper i i decide
on at my whim.
Cheers
viza

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Message 7
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:25:16 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41365] Re: John Ryrie's Work
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John,
Welcome back! Glad to see you are still making amazing work!
My best
Barbara

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Message 8
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:29:01 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41366] need ideas
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I am having a show in a year with a metal-smith, not a collaboration but showing together. He works in raised metal, where you take a piece of bronze or other metal and pound it and anneal it until you shape a flat piece into a vessel. Amazing.

At any rate he wants me to do some 3 dimensional work. Has anyone on the list taken their prints to the 3rd dimension? I am going to try to print on fabric, I think I can do that successfully, but then what should I do with it????? Just framing it is way to ordinary....
All ideas are welcome.
My best
Barbara

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Message 9
From: "Ellen Shipley"
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:37:56 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41367] Re: need ideas
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Wouldn't including blocks in the show be 3 dimensional?

Ellen Shipley

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Message 10
From: Lynita Shimizu
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:40:16 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41368] Re: need ideas
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Barbara,
I don't have any brilliant ideas for using prints in a 3-dimensional
way, although I've occasionally thought about mounting them on a
column in some way. However, what about building something from the
blocks of your prints? Maybe you could make a display stand from
them? Maybe place the finished woodcut on the stand? Or you could
cut up the interesting parts of the blocks and use them some fun
way. I bet you'll have a grand time doing this show. I look
forward to hearing the outcome.

Best wishes,
Lynita

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Message 11
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:44:24 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41369] Re: need ideas
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Good idea...but I want to do something with the actual prints and wondered if anyone had already invented the wheel here!
Barbara

>Wouldn't including blocks in the show be 3
>dimensional?

Ellen Shipley

>

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Message 12
From: reneeaugrin # aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:44:50 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41370] Re: need ideas
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I am not sure if this is 3-D exactly: I made some free standing
screen/books using print-collages, but that to me is still kind of 2-D.
Maybe you could put the fabric on some kind of frame work, light it
from the inside? Make a printed cloak? A hat? A car? So many things
for fabric -- wow! The gears must be churning! Have fun with this, I
will look forward to the results. I know you will think of something
wonderful!

Also, Linda, congrats on the environmental efforts with your work. I
love the idea of using water from the source to print with -- a theme
exchange?

Best to all -- Happy Printing!

Renee

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Message 13
From: bettewappner # fuse.net
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:01:16 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41371] Re: need ideas
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Barbara- you could make origami with your prints.
Bette.

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Message 14
From: andrea # starkeyart.com
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:03:54 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41372] RE: need ideas
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Barbara,I was at a show last month which featured master printer Bud Shark, where there were a couple of 3D prints
by artist Red Grooms. I was at the artist's talk and a lot of planning went into this one. They made a model out
of chip board, assembled it, and used it as a template to plan the print, which was all printed on one sheet then
cut apart and assembled. Interesting stuff.Also interesting, there were some very large woodblock prints by John Buck
and printed by Shark, large as in about six feet long and three feet wide. These were hand pulled, but rather than using
a baren they used door knob handles, and it seemed odd to me that when talking about the struggles to figure out how to
best print it, he never mentioned trying a baren. Hmmm.Good Luck

Andrea Starkey

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Message 15
From: "Browder, Tina"
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:09:31 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41373] RE: need ideas
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It's can be a tall order asking us 2D people to go to the next dimension sometimes but...some things I thought of are:
Tying into his use of metal could you take found scraps of metal that you could then carve a block print and print it on the metal? You could print it first on a flexible not so porous material like vellum or plastic and then transfer that to the metal. Or, if you like the idea of vessel, print on a material like muslin then use a fabric stiffener to "shape" the fabric into various vessels and forms...base your prints on organic ideas and inspirations from the materials you use. I think you would have to use an ink you could "set" into the fabric. I just remembered that they do make materials you can carve that are very flexible...like lino but even softer

Good luck!!
Tina Browder

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Message 16
From: Diane Cutter
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:09:58 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41374] Re: need ideas
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Oh, I like Bette's origami idea, especially with your wonderful (and rather large) abstract monotypes/monoprints, Barbara.


Diane

www.DianeCutter.com
www.theitinerantartist.blogspot.com
www.DCutter.etsy.com

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Message 17
From: Gayle Wohlken
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:24:41 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41375] Re: Need Ideas
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Barbara, what about printed fabric inside the framework of a three-
fold screen, large enough to be a room divider (not a table sized
screen) but say six feet high.

~Gayle

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Message 18
From: rhudson # together.net
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:34:58 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41376] Barenforum: ideas
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I have made a few "three dimensional" prints by taking a print and then mounting sections of it on pieces
of wood of different thicknesses, so that the flat image has a bit of depth. This sometimes takes cutting up
two prints to make a single composition. I've used the basswood that you can buy in craft and hobby shops that
comes in different thickness. I paint the wood white, cut out a section of the print, glue it to the wood and then
cut the wood on my bandsaw. Then the whole thing is assembled and glued onto a backing of some sort (usually good
quality matboard.)The neat thing is that you end up with two compositions: one from the print and one from the lines
created by the elevations of wood.

Ray Hudson, Middlebury Vermont

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Message 19
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:45:25 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41377] Re: need ideas
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I have seen Red Grooms work, it is really interesting but also sort of odd as it is almost like sculpture.
Yes, I think a baren would have worked better for Bud Shark. Brian Shannon who teaches at Oregon college of Arts and Crafts her in PDX did some this size a few years ago and I asked him how he printed them, he said he got down on top of them and used a wooden spoon! A lot of work that a ball bearing baren could have handled with oil based inks a little easier.
I am getting a lot of good ideas/
Barbara

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Message 20
From: "Ellen Shipley"
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:07:22 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41378] Re: need ideas
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Print onto clay and then shape the clay.

I like making a book -- how about a pop-up book?

Print on scarves, t-shirts, hats?

I like origami too. 8-]

Ellen Shipley

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Message 21
From: "Terry Peart"
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 03:05:52 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41379] Re: need ideas
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Barbara,
I recently took a class from Cameron Mason, up here in Seattle at Pratt School. She dyes her own fabric and makes quilted fabric sculptures.
http://www.cameronannemason.com/images/fine-art/3-d/

You could do something like that with your printed fabric.

Terry
West Seattle

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Message 22
From: Viza Arlington
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:29:57 GMT
Subject: [Baren 41380] Re: need ideas
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Barbara,
After looking through your prints online i think you could start with
one of your prints perhaps Obedience or Quixotic if you are feeling
ambitious. think of them as sketches for a sculpture and try to
construct the image using wire and prints.
http://www.barbaramasonart.com/images/Barbara_Mason_Quixotic_647_110.jpg
http://www.barbaramasonart.com/images/Barbara_Mason_Obedience_651_110.jpg
here are a couple links to artists working with wire/sticks and paper
http://browngrotta.com/pages/balsgaard.html
http://www.fiberarts.com/back_issues/04_07/images/display-art/13jb.jpg
http://artbistro.monster.com/albums/30-three-dimensional-work
good luck with your project
viza

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