Today's postings
- [Baren 40127] for Sharen (ArtSpotiB # aol.com)
- [Baren 40128] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:04:07 -0500 (aqua4tis # aol.com)
- [Baren 40129] woe is me; mold and the first split on the baren cover (Andrew Stone)
- [Baren 40130] Re: woe is me; mold and the first split on the baren cover (Dave Bull)
- [Baren 40131] Re: Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:04:07 -0500 (thadeenz97 # verizon.net)
Message 1
From: ArtSpotiB # aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:40:33 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40127] for Sharen
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Hi Sharen.
Recently I rec'd a small package that I had sent to you back in the mail.
It's been forever in transit/twilight zone. I must have copied down your addy
incorrectly. It's just a little present but I'd still like to get it to
you. Would you mind emailing me the corrected coordinates? Mine is:
ArtSpotib@aol.com
Thanks.
ArtSpot Out
Benny Alba at OMebase
The cardinal doctrine of a fanatic's creed is that his enemies are the
enemies of God.
Andrew Dickson White, diplomat, historian, and educator (1832-1918)
Recently I rec'd a small package that I had sent to you back in the mail.
It's been forever in transit/twilight zone. I must have copied down your addy
incorrectly. It's just a little present but I'd still like to get it to
you. Would you mind emailing me the corrected coordinates? Mine is:
ArtSpotib@aol.com
Thanks.
ArtSpot Out
Benny Alba at OMebase
The cardinal doctrine of a fanatic's creed is that his enemies are the
enemies of God.
Andrew Dickson White, diplomat, historian, and educator (1832-1918)
Message 2
From: aqua4tis # aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:04:24 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40128] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:04:07 -0500
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paper source is advertising an at home letter press machine for 150.00. i was wondering if anyone had tried it and what they thought. they also have a yudo for 300.00 and a xyron 900 for 100.00. has anyone tried any of these things? just curious
thanks
georga
thanks
georga
Message 3
From: Andrew Stone
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:49:40 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40129] woe is me; mold and the first split on the baren cover
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Well; I knew it might happen sooner or later. I got a bit careless after never having problems and spent too many days with damp paper.
I had a stretch of days off and hoped to print another small batch of my genie print. I wet the paper in the afternoon hoping to print
the next morning...but then I had to go to a meeting I forgot about so didn't get into the studio to print the keyblock until the next
day; Prints then went back in the bag in a cool dark place. Two days later I printed another couple of colors and set them again in a corner
but as the Winter sun gets lower light came in a window in the late afternoon and struck the plastic bag with my damp prints; that night when
I went to print there was an odd, back-of-the-closet musty odor and tonight as I started to print I noticed black spots starting to appear on
the paper. In the margins mostly but also in the print area. Aargh. I have another three days of printing to go and I know things will only
get worse. There goes a full sheet of really good paper (my labor is a shame but easier to replace than the paper). I don't know if its like
wine casks but I'll throw all the damp newsprint and plastic bags I used rather than trying to dry and recycle them.
I know I should have put the unfinished prints in the freezer but I haven't done that yet and it seemed like the freezing/thawing would be a
problem--and I kept hoping to steal into the studio to print another color and didn't want to be held up by a block of frozen prints.
At least they were small prints but they'll be going in the fire.
I wonder if a drop of grapefruit seed oil in the water I used originally for dampening might have helped prevent it?
How long can damp paper sit before it goes bad? (This was five days but on day three or four they spent 6-8 hours in the worst possible
environment--on damp newsprint in a clear plastic bag with light heating up the whole package.).
Then, while washing up and putting away all my supplies I noticed the first split in the bamboo leaf cover of my baren. Seems too soon?
It's only about 2-3 years old and I don't print all that often. Here the weather has extremes of cool damp mornings and dry desert afternoons
and I imagine the shifts in humidity must have caused it to shrink/dry prematurely. I have been careful to add a drop of camellia oil every month
to the surface but there's a long split in the printing surface cover that I can probably limp along with with a scotch tape repair until I can order
a new skin and try tyeing my first baren.
Well, I guess tomorrow is laundry and bill paying day; I know I won't be doing any printing.
--andrew stone
rospobio.blogspot.com
I had a stretch of days off and hoped to print another small batch of my genie print. I wet the paper in the afternoon hoping to print
the next morning...but then I had to go to a meeting I forgot about so didn't get into the studio to print the keyblock until the next
day; Prints then went back in the bag in a cool dark place. Two days later I printed another couple of colors and set them again in a corner
but as the Winter sun gets lower light came in a window in the late afternoon and struck the plastic bag with my damp prints; that night when
I went to print there was an odd, back-of-the-closet musty odor and tonight as I started to print I noticed black spots starting to appear on
the paper. In the margins mostly but also in the print area. Aargh. I have another three days of printing to go and I know things will only
get worse. There goes a full sheet of really good paper (my labor is a shame but easier to replace than the paper). I don't know if its like
wine casks but I'll throw all the damp newsprint and plastic bags I used rather than trying to dry and recycle them.
I know I should have put the unfinished prints in the freezer but I haven't done that yet and it seemed like the freezing/thawing would be a
problem--and I kept hoping to steal into the studio to print another color and didn't want to be held up by a block of frozen prints.
At least they were small prints but they'll be going in the fire.
I wonder if a drop of grapefruit seed oil in the water I used originally for dampening might have helped prevent it?
How long can damp paper sit before it goes bad? (This was five days but on day three or four they spent 6-8 hours in the worst possible
environment--on damp newsprint in a clear plastic bag with light heating up the whole package.).
Then, while washing up and putting away all my supplies I noticed the first split in the bamboo leaf cover of my baren. Seems too soon?
It's only about 2-3 years old and I don't print all that often. Here the weather has extremes of cool damp mornings and dry desert afternoons
and I imagine the shifts in humidity must have caused it to shrink/dry prematurely. I have been careful to add a drop of camellia oil every month
to the surface but there's a long split in the printing surface cover that I can probably limp along with with a scotch tape repair until I can order
a new skin and try tyeing my first baren.
Well, I guess tomorrow is laundry and bill paying day; I know I won't be doing any printing.
--andrew stone
rospobio.blogspot.com
Message 4
From: Dave Bull
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:03:01 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40130] Re: woe is me; mold and the first split on the baren cover
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> How long can damp paper sit before it goes bad?
> (This was five days but on day three or four they
> spent 6-8 hours in the worst possible environment
> --on damp newsprint in a clear plastic bag with light
> heating up the whole package.).
It's not just a question of 'how long' ... If the paper is being used
and printed every day - opened up to the fresh air in the process - it
will definitely last longer than if you just let it sit there wrapped
up ... and in a warm environment ... absolutely the worst possible
situation.
Using plastic for our wrapping is also contributing to the problem.
Most of the older printers here won't touch the stuff. They cover their
paper overnight with damp cloths - they swear that using plastic
exacerbates the mold risk, due to the complete shut-off of air. They
think it should have a chance to 'breathe'.
As for extended breaks - putting paper in the freezer isn't such a
difficult thing. Fold it up carefully in its damping sheets, wrap it in
plastic, and bung it in. On the day you next print, bring it out first
thing when you get up; by the time you've finished your breakfast, etc.
and got to the workshop, it should be soft enough to separate easily.
(And it is usually by then in _beautifully_ soft condition ...)
> Then, while washing up and putting away all my supplies I
> noticed the first split in the bamboo leaf cover of my baren.
> Seems too soon? It's only about 2-3 years old
Difficult to answer this one without sounding a bit pretentious ...
The cover can sometimes need changing ... umm ... daily.
But yes, back a long time ago, I also measured changing time in
months/years ... :-)
Just don't be afraid of it; the only way to get good at changing it is
to do it often. There is no short cut, and no other way forward ...
Dave
> (This was five days but on day three or four they
> spent 6-8 hours in the worst possible environment
> --on damp newsprint in a clear plastic bag with light
> heating up the whole package.).
It's not just a question of 'how long' ... If the paper is being used
and printed every day - opened up to the fresh air in the process - it
will definitely last longer than if you just let it sit there wrapped
up ... and in a warm environment ... absolutely the worst possible
situation.
Using plastic for our wrapping is also contributing to the problem.
Most of the older printers here won't touch the stuff. They cover their
paper overnight with damp cloths - they swear that using plastic
exacerbates the mold risk, due to the complete shut-off of air. They
think it should have a chance to 'breathe'.
As for extended breaks - putting paper in the freezer isn't such a
difficult thing. Fold it up carefully in its damping sheets, wrap it in
plastic, and bung it in. On the day you next print, bring it out first
thing when you get up; by the time you've finished your breakfast, etc.
and got to the workshop, it should be soft enough to separate easily.
(And it is usually by then in _beautifully_ soft condition ...)
> Then, while washing up and putting away all my supplies I
> noticed the first split in the bamboo leaf cover of my baren.
> Seems too soon? It's only about 2-3 years old
Difficult to answer this one without sounding a bit pretentious ...
The cover can sometimes need changing ... umm ... daily.
But yes, back a long time ago, I also measured changing time in
months/years ... :-)
Just don't be afraid of it; the only way to get good at changing it is
to do it often. There is no short cut, and no other way forward ...
Dave
Message 5
From: thadeenz97 # verizon.net
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:10:09 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40131] Re: Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:04:07 -0500
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I just checked out the Yudu at Jo-Ann's. As a professional screenprinter looking to build my own units in my studio,
I was very curious. It seems to be the next generation of the Gocco unit, which made prints using a combination of screen
and pressure-print technologies. The Yudu, however, is purely screen. For the occasional screen printer, it's great.
Compact, all in one. Expensive as hell, but if you're using it for occasional screening, I don't have an issue with it.
The supplies are ridiculous, though, with a pack of 9 oz of ink for $22, though -- yikes. If you really want to get serious
about screen printing, I suggest building a light box and buying screens and emulsion ala cart.
My good friend, Roycroft printmaker Dorothy Markert of Hamburg, NY, has a fantastic manual detailing how to build your
own printmaking studio on her website, www.DorothyMarkert.com. IT's FREE. And I believe I clocked the start up cost at well
under $200. I also recommend taking a screenprinting class from a pro who will gladly walk you through the steps. If you are
near Buffalo, she offers fantastic workshops at the Roycroft campus.
Jeff Dean
Buffalo, NY
I was very curious. It seems to be the next generation of the Gocco unit, which made prints using a combination of screen
and pressure-print technologies. The Yudu, however, is purely screen. For the occasional screen printer, it's great.
Compact, all in one. Expensive as hell, but if you're using it for occasional screening, I don't have an issue with it.
The supplies are ridiculous, though, with a pack of 9 oz of ink for $22, though -- yikes. If you really want to get serious
about screen printing, I suggest building a light box and buying screens and emulsion ala cart.
My good friend, Roycroft printmaker Dorothy Markert of Hamburg, NY, has a fantastic manual detailing how to build your
own printmaking studio on her website, www.DorothyMarkert.com. IT's FREE. And I believe I clocked the start up cost at well
under $200. I also recommend taking a screenprinting class from a pro who will gladly walk you through the steps. If you are
near Buffalo, she offers fantastic workshops at the Roycroft campus.
Jeff Dean
Buffalo, NY