Today's postings
- [Baren 39370] Re: Welcome Heidi, Inspiration (Annie Bissett)
- [Baren 39371] Re: Facebook (Plannedscapes # aol.com)
- [Baren 39372] RE: Inspiration (Alex Lake)
- [Baren 39373] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4895 (Jul 16, 2009) (Marilynn Smith)
- [Baren 39374] Re: Facebook ("Mike Lyon")
- [Baren 39375] Re: Facebook (Julio.Rodriguez # walgreens.com)
- [Baren 39376] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009) ("Clive.ca")
Message 1
From: Annie Bissett
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:00:48 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39370] Re: Welcome Heidi, Inspiration
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Hi Heidi, nice to see you here on Baren Forum. Welcome!
I too often receive my first inspiration for a print as a word or a
phrase. It may be something I read or a thought that passes through
my mind and sticks. Less often it begins as a visual image. Once an
idea takes hold and begins to form, it can take another long while
before it turns solid enough to begin to work on. The idea stays with
me in the back of my mind and then I seem to encounter experiences
and people and images that begin to connect to the idea and flesh it
out. It's a process I enjoy, developing an idea.
I've probably gotten ideas while in the bathroom, but I never
noticed. :)
Annie
I too often receive my first inspiration for a print as a word or a
phrase. It may be something I read or a thought that passes through
my mind and sticks. Less often it begins as a visual image. Once an
idea takes hold and begins to form, it can take another long while
before it turns solid enough to begin to work on. The idea stays with
me in the back of my mind and then I seem to encounter experiences
and people and images that begin to connect to the idea and flesh it
out. It's a process I enjoy, developing an idea.
I've probably gotten ideas while in the bathroom, but I never
noticed. :)
Annie
Message 2
From: Plannedscapes # aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:18:39 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39371] Re: Facebook
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1) Posting an image on Facebook or ANYWHERE does not give up YOUR right to
copyright or to continue to use it yourself in any way. It gives ONLY that
entity the right to use it. And it relieves them of being sued if other
people get it there and use it illegally. (You still retain the right to
sue the person who 'steals' it from there.) Facebook is NOT going to use it
to 'make money' in any way, not by selling it or using it as a design on
something they sell. They might take a 'snapshot' of a page and use it as a
sample of their services somewhere, say, one of your album pages, but that
in no way infringes on your right to continue to use it, nor gives anyone
who might 'steal' it from their site the right to use it. In absence of a
signed agreement, that style of agreement is usually implied, tho without
it, if someone took and image off Baren and misused it and was sued, Baren
COULD be named as a party in the suit for distributing the image. Whether by
'bylaws' protect those 'in charge' would remain to be seen. "Sueing" an
entity like Baren is usually pointless unless that suit flows thru to
individuals worth suing.
1B) As a corollary to that, if a customer walks into my gallery and likes
something, I have absolutely no protection other than common courtesy from
them looking over my design and going home and recreating it. I have no
control from them taking it and making multiples to sell at a craft show. How
would I know? I hear this all the time at my little gallery: "I can
make that." So to worry about Facebook 'stealing' an image or some other
Facebook use 'stealing' an image seems silly to me. If someone is inspired by
my design and can make it a commercial success, it is probably more about
their marketing talent than my original design anyway. I certainly am not
making the big bucks at any of this! The opportunity to let people know
about my work and my gallery to me is far greater than any 'risk' of 'loss'
thru posting things there.
2) Facebook and the like are here to stay. Is the print exchange
PUBLICIZED there? It would seem more productive to look at it and see how it is
complementary to the website and this email forum and how it can best be used
to bring added interest and education and participation. It is very much
a 'stream' sort of thing, so if something is posted there, it is not easy
to get at later, as it is on the permanent website. Some things are more
appropriate for that. It would be fun to see peoples' daily progress and
intermediate steps and sketchbook pages and studio messes and that sort of
thing there. A reference in this email with the actually photos and details of
our processes on Facebook might keep this email from getting cumbersome.
The end results might then go on the permanent website. The Luddites had
no luck in making technology go away. Let's look at the differences and
what each service does well and use all resources to benefit to ourselves and
those we want to reach? It is there, there is no point fighting it, so
let's USE it.
Karma
copyright or to continue to use it yourself in any way. It gives ONLY that
entity the right to use it. And it relieves them of being sued if other
people get it there and use it illegally. (You still retain the right to
sue the person who 'steals' it from there.) Facebook is NOT going to use it
to 'make money' in any way, not by selling it or using it as a design on
something they sell. They might take a 'snapshot' of a page and use it as a
sample of their services somewhere, say, one of your album pages, but that
in no way infringes on your right to continue to use it, nor gives anyone
who might 'steal' it from their site the right to use it. In absence of a
signed agreement, that style of agreement is usually implied, tho without
it, if someone took and image off Baren and misused it and was sued, Baren
COULD be named as a party in the suit for distributing the image. Whether by
'bylaws' protect those 'in charge' would remain to be seen. "Sueing" an
entity like Baren is usually pointless unless that suit flows thru to
individuals worth suing.
1B) As a corollary to that, if a customer walks into my gallery and likes
something, I have absolutely no protection other than common courtesy from
them looking over my design and going home and recreating it. I have no
control from them taking it and making multiples to sell at a craft show. How
would I know? I hear this all the time at my little gallery: "I can
make that." So to worry about Facebook 'stealing' an image or some other
Facebook use 'stealing' an image seems silly to me. If someone is inspired by
my design and can make it a commercial success, it is probably more about
their marketing talent than my original design anyway. I certainly am not
making the big bucks at any of this! The opportunity to let people know
about my work and my gallery to me is far greater than any 'risk' of 'loss'
thru posting things there.
2) Facebook and the like are here to stay. Is the print exchange
PUBLICIZED there? It would seem more productive to look at it and see how it is
complementary to the website and this email forum and how it can best be used
to bring added interest and education and participation. It is very much
a 'stream' sort of thing, so if something is posted there, it is not easy
to get at later, as it is on the permanent website. Some things are more
appropriate for that. It would be fun to see peoples' daily progress and
intermediate steps and sketchbook pages and studio messes and that sort of
thing there. A reference in this email with the actually photos and details of
our processes on Facebook might keep this email from getting cumbersome.
The end results might then go on the permanent website. The Luddites had
no luck in making technology go away. Let's look at the differences and
what each service does well and use all resources to benefit to ourselves and
those we want to reach? It is there, there is no point fighting it, so
let's USE it.
Karma
Message 3
From: Alex Lake
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:47:07 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39372] RE: Inspiration
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I also forgot to introduce myself properly, I've been reading the forum's posts for a few months now but haven't really found an opening to do it. The subject of inspiration is an interesting one, and I want to answer! So, hello everyone, my name's Alex Pribnow and I'm a fantasy artist based in the UK, trying to make ends meet entirely through selling my own art. I've always loved what Japanese woodblock work I've stumbled across; ever since I was a teenager I've been collecting moku-hanga postcards. Now I'm quite a bit older I've decided there's absolutely no reason not to have a try at woodblock-making, since I have all the tools I need for it. The problem is finding the time. Very soon I should finish my university course and my working gap year and be a lot freer to try some woodblock ideas out.
Inspiration - that's an odd one for me. I concentrate almost solely upon making art that relates to popular fantasy, folklore, mythology and fairytales, so everything I do is already grounded in an established idea - the trick for me is re-presenting in ways no-one else has yet, or in ways that appeals to an audience. They say "there is nothing new under the sun", and that's very true in a sense, particularly of my genre/interest - so the enjoyment is in being inspired to re-invent the old, rather than rack my brains over trying to make something eye-poppingly new. I find myself poring over hundreds of different styles and genres of art and looking at what makes them recognisable, or what's essential to them, and then wondering if I can borrow elements from them to re-present some of these old folkloric or fairytale ideas. Granted, I'm not making up new ideas, and I do borrow heavily from collective culture, but the hybrid that emerges is something 'new under the sun' in its own way. I try to give it its own character and flavour. Something that does inspire me in the creation of new designs for mythical creatures, though, is the world of insects and small beasts. We don't tend to notice them much, but if you take a while to look at some of Nature's minitaure designs, they are truly amazing, nightmarish, beautiful and otherworldly all in one. Who needs to imagine aliens if you can look at a preying mantis? Who needs behemoths if you were small enough to ride a stag beetle? I'd imagine the world could be much more terrifying and wondrous if we were all that small.
I'm always thinking though. I'm one of those types whose brain never shuts off, whether asleep or awake. I usually get inspirations for new ideas once or twice each day, if I allow a moment for it. I've so many ideas I don't know quite what to do with them all...
~Alex
http://www.maliceinunderland.co.uk
http://maliceinunderland.blogspot.com/
Message 4
From: Marilynn Smith
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:06:04 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39373] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4895 (Jul 16, 2009)
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Regarding theft of art work. The internet is a spot where people can
and do steal imagery. It brings to mind a comment made by a person
who lives in our condo complex in Mexico. She said her friend was a
fabulous artist. That there were art works for sale online and that
her friend could "copy" them and sell them to her for much less that
the producer of the work. I was shocked and told her that is
plagiarism. In response she said well it was only $500.(I would think
the creator of the image would like that $500.) No matter where you
have work posted, if it is online it is available and people can copy
the imagery. The more public the place the more likely that it will
happen. It did happen to me some years back, but as Mike stated,
there are times when you realize that you do not have enough money to
fight the big monied folks out there. It is a choice as to how much
you want to share your work and it is a risk when you put it online,
period.
I love the sketchbook as a tool. For me my sketch books are not
filled with gorgeous finished works, but partial ideas, quick drawings
and often they are a place to go when I do need a fresh idea for a
finished work. Inspiration does indeed come from the life around me.
Also, Baren has always been very open to all levels of expertise.
Beginners are more than welcome to join exchanges, in fact there are
times that the new fresh things they create can be very wonderful. I
doubt many of us have forgotten the first time we picked up a carving
tool and stumbled our way through our first carving. Don't be afraid
of us, we are a kind generous group.
Marilynn
and do steal imagery. It brings to mind a comment made by a person
who lives in our condo complex in Mexico. She said her friend was a
fabulous artist. That there were art works for sale online and that
her friend could "copy" them and sell them to her for much less that
the producer of the work. I was shocked and told her that is
plagiarism. In response she said well it was only $500.(I would think
the creator of the image would like that $500.) No matter where you
have work posted, if it is online it is available and people can copy
the imagery. The more public the place the more likely that it will
happen. It did happen to me some years back, but as Mike stated,
there are times when you realize that you do not have enough money to
fight the big monied folks out there. It is a choice as to how much
you want to share your work and it is a risk when you put it online,
period.
I love the sketchbook as a tool. For me my sketch books are not
filled with gorgeous finished works, but partial ideas, quick drawings
and often they are a place to go when I do need a fresh idea for a
finished work. Inspiration does indeed come from the life around me.
Also, Baren has always been very open to all levels of expertise.
Beginners are more than welcome to join exchanges, in fact there are
times that the new fresh things they create can be very wonderful. I
doubt many of us have forgotten the first time we picked up a carving
tool and stumbled our way through our first carving. Don't be afraid
of us, we are a kind generous group.
Marilynn
Message 5
From: "Mike Lyon"
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:17:42 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39374] Re: Facebook
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GOOD IDEA! I'll add a link to our (95 members now) Facebook Group at
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=121864389055
>(2) Facebook and the like are here to stay. Is the print exchange
>PUBLICIZED there? )
Mike Lyon
Kansas City, MO
http://mlyon.com
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=121864389055
>(2) Facebook and the like are here to stay. Is the print exchange
>PUBLICIZED there? )
Mike Lyon
Kansas City, MO
http://mlyon.com
Message 6
From: Julio.Rodriguez # walgreens.com
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:26:25 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39375] Re: Facebook
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Thanks Mike, you beat me to it ! I think that's what everyone
wants....more interaction between the FB group and the Baren forum and
website. Putting a link there
to our exchanges and to the Baremall should help bring the two
together.....
Please make sure to mention that the quarterly exchanges are free (only
return shipping is needed) and that the only requirements to signup are
registering with barenforum.org (also free !) and posting an introduction
to the Barenforum.org group.
I think Karma said it right...take the best of both worlds and let's make
it work !
thanks....Julio
wants....more interaction between the FB group and the Baren forum and
website. Putting a link there
to our exchanges and to the Baremall should help bring the two
together.....
Please make sure to mention that the quarterly exchanges are free (only
return shipping is needed) and that the only requirements to signup are
registering with barenforum.org (also free !) and posting an introduction
to the Barenforum.org group.
I think Karma said it right...take the best of both worlds and let's make
it work !
thanks....Julio
Message 7
From: "Clive.ca"
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:32:58 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39376] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009)
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When Daniel wrote "So I wondered, do others get their ideas in the
bathroom?" I recalled reading that Martin Luther wrote the 95 thesis
that launched the Reformation that created the Protestant Church.
Before him, Archimedes sorted out the concept of density vs volume
while he was having a bath.
Apparently inspiration has been flowing from bathrooms since at least
a long time:-)
Clive
bathroom?" I recalled reading that Martin Luther wrote the 95 thesis
that launched the Reformation that created the Protestant Church.
Before him, Archimedes sorted out the concept of density vs volume
while he was having a bath.
Apparently inspiration has been flowing from bathrooms since at least
a long time:-)
Clive