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Message 1
From: aqua4tis # aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:53:41 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38893] Re: selling art on etsy
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viza
the end of your email made me laugh.(poo on you) i think your work is gorgeous and definitely fine. im thinking about selling on etsy too
georga

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Message 2
From: aqua4tis # aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:01:27 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38894] Re: Cabrillo and MECA woodcut classes/personal note
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april
im so sorry for your loss. you and your famiy are in my prayers
georga

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Message 3
From: Andrew Stone
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 01:08:24 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38895] the fine art of disagreeing
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In Italy, in the morning, two of my wife's colleagues go through this exchange every morning. One arrives carrying the Left wing daily(newspaper), the other the right wing daily. They come in about 30 minutes before work and start arguing immediately.
This being Italy, voices raise, hand gestures abound and names are called; various politicians, policies, morals, etc. are scathingly derided. Then at 8:00 they fold up the papers, have a cup of coffee and get to work. Cheerfully, jokingly, in the same office. They're friends and colleagues and they wouldn't dream of letting a little disagreement/difference of opinion/name calling tantrum threaten that.

There's an art to being able to argue without being offensive and another to not be offended everytime someone says something that makes you mad.

The buddists would suggest, instead, that the offensive person gives us the wonderful opportunity to practice patience, understanding and forgiveness. An opportunity that would have not been possible had they remained silent.

Life's too short to spend it getting mad. Get back to work!

my thoughts,
andrew stone

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Message 4
From: Jan Telfer
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 02:39:15 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38896] Year of the Ox arrivals Down Under
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Thank you to Sharri, Douglas and Josef for my recent Oxen cards. With
my not doing so many exchanges now because of my professional work load
I enjoy getting surprised by my New Year Cards arriving. Loved your
elongated Ox Josef..... it reminded me of our bulls coming through the
yard gates when I was very small and seeing these monsters lumbering
around the fences..... all of ours were trained for the judging show
ring so not so scary when you got to know them. Being a farm girl love
these cards.

Thank you all,

Jan
Perth
Western Australia

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Message 5
From: Rebecca Roosman
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 06:47:36 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38897] Re: selling art on etsy
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Hi Viza

What you say is absolutely true! Getting it out there is what matters.
Those of us who confine art to elitism should maybe be doing something
else. That is not what art is about. Doing art is about desire, need,
satisfaction, desire to resonante with our creative processes, and , if
we can make a living from something we enjoy by getting it out there and
selling it, then all the better! Satisfaction. Satisfying the need and
desire, as well as our bellies. There's nothing cheap about it, or
degrading.
And- I have never heard of Etsy before- once I get some editions
completed, as well as other art I do, I might consider registering!
Thanks for the link! LOVED your Aspens, by the way. Absolutely gorgeous!

Cheers for sunny Edinburgh Scotland

Rebecca Mackay

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Message 6
From: Rebecca Roosman
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:09:53 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38898] Re: Fine Art
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I have been following this selling art on Etsy discussion with some
interest. *sigh* Whenever we take something out of the ordinary and
elevate it by making art whether it be an image, a carving etc, then we
are makng art. The 'crafts' of yesterday have also become the 'fine art'
of today. When some person back in BC 2000 was carving a figure, I doubt
they were thinking on terms of fine art or craft. When Michelangelo
painted the Sistine Chapel, I doubt he was thinking of any
differentiation especially when many artists in his day belonged to
guilds that didn't separate art from craft. These people did it because
they had to and didn't stigmatise themselves. That wasn't neccessary nor
did they bother with the difference, and nor should it be today. They
did it because they had to. I love making art, and craft. And there is a
craft to making art. This is a recent elitist tag of the last century.
We have become so banal as a society, plastic, and pretentious. My mom
is a professional knitwear designer. Her pieces , handknit, are works of
art. So. In my spare time, I knit too, and spin and dye wool as well.
And people say to me that what I make are works of art. Where do we draw
the line. It's beyond me. I just do it because I have to do it. Whether
I sell on Etsy or elswhere, is of little consequence to me. That I can
make a living with what I so enjoy, and love, and share that with
others, is ever fulfilling.

Cheers from Sunny Edinburgh
Rebecca Mackay

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Message 7
From: "Jacqui F. Graham "
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:30:54 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38899] Re: Craft Artists/Fine Artists.....a beautiful combination
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Rebecca Roosman wrote:
>That wasn't neccessary nor
> did they bother with the difference, and nor should it be today. They
> did it because they had to. I love making art, and craft. And there is a
> craft to making art. This is a recent elitist tag of the last century.

I agree! When people argue and try to put one above the other, I don't
get it and don't want to. That mentality is more about inflating egos.
I have a deep respect for Craft Artists....

http://www.craftinamerica.org/artists/story_80.php?
http://www.thedctraveler.com/see-craft-artists-at-the-smithsonian-craft-show/
http://www.museumofcontemporarycraft.org/
http://www.tennesseecrafts.org/taca/main.cfm?pageID=Home

.....and for Fine Artists. The two are a wonderful team, and I would
consider it an honor to excel in either.

((((((Much Love))))) to all of the members here. You are my inspiration.

~Jacqueline
http://www.jacquelinegraham.com

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