Today's postings
- [Baren 38885] Re: selling art on etsy ("scottd - kaizen design llc.")
- [Baren 38886] re: kids (Plannedscapes # aol.com)
- [Baren 38887] Re: selling art on etsy (a stark)
- [Baren 38888] Re: selling art on etsy (Diana Moll)
- [Baren 38889] Simmer Down, Now (Gayle Wohlken)
- [Baren 38890] Re: gold leaf (Sharri LaPierre)
- [Baren 38891] Re: selling art on etsy (Sharri LaPierre)
- [Baren 38892] Re: gold leaf (Marissa)
Message 1
From: "scottd - kaizen design llc."
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:18:43 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38885] Re: selling art on etsy
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I tried. Sorry though, absolutely no offense intended.
scottd.
scottd.
Message 2
From: Plannedscapes # aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:48:45 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38886] re: kids
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Hi
I think you could keep the kids busy for a while having them practice
making suitable images. talk about how you only get black (printed) and white
(blank) and how you have to reduce a complex image to that and let them
find a picture, a photo from a book or magazine or one they take or you take
for them. have them draw some versions and color it in on white paper with
black markers. this experimenting with the image simplification and
reduction and 'graphicization' can take some time - maybe even a whole week?
then they can make linoleum prints - there is a material with a sticky back
that is thin linoleum - you can draw on it and cut out the shape with
scissors and press them onto a flat piece of wood to get pretty much the same
lino block as if you had carved it - so they can cut out the shapes and then
print from that and if they don't like it, peel off and make change -
using this material with scissor instead of carving knives should allow them a
lot of plying with images and version and modifications with relatively
little supervision - then next year you can maybe let then get into real lino
carving with the v-shape push knife and keeping the hands behind the knife
and turning the block so they only carve by pushing -
and at the end of playing with stuff, they will now have new ideas for
images based on what they learned and you can start the cycle all over again!
(how about a kids' print exchange due at the end of the summer?)
I think you could keep the kids busy for a while having them practice
making suitable images. talk about how you only get black (printed) and white
(blank) and how you have to reduce a complex image to that and let them
find a picture, a photo from a book or magazine or one they take or you take
for them. have them draw some versions and color it in on white paper with
black markers. this experimenting with the image simplification and
reduction and 'graphicization' can take some time - maybe even a whole week?
then they can make linoleum prints - there is a material with a sticky back
that is thin linoleum - you can draw on it and cut out the shape with
scissors and press them onto a flat piece of wood to get pretty much the same
lino block as if you had carved it - so they can cut out the shapes and then
print from that and if they don't like it, peel off and make change -
using this material with scissor instead of carving knives should allow them a
lot of plying with images and version and modifications with relatively
little supervision - then next year you can maybe let then get into real lino
carving with the v-shape push knife and keeping the hands behind the knife
and turning the block so they only carve by pushing -
and at the end of playing with stuff, they will now have new ideas for
images based on what they learned and you can start the cycle all over again!
(how about a kids' print exchange due at the end of the summer?)
Message 3
From: a stark
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:48:50 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38887] Re: selling art on etsy
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i sell my art on etsy because i want to share it with as many people as possible. i sell it "cheaply" on etsy becasuse i want to share it with as many people as possible. i make it as "fine" as i can because i want people to have something they will like.
let other people decide what is fine art and what isn't. i don't really care that much. if i can make work that i am proud of, or am fulfilled by and share it with others then that is good enough for me.
let other people decide what is fine art and what isn't. i don't really care that much. if i can make work that i am proud of, or am fulfilled by and share it with others then that is good enough for me.
Message 4
From: Diana Moll
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:55:52 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38888] Re: selling art on etsy
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Yeah, me too! very well said a stark!.
-dmoll
www.qipapers.etsy.com
www.theqipapers.blogspot.com
-dmoll
www.qipapers.etsy.com
www.theqipapers.blogspot.com
Message 5
From: Gayle Wohlken
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:17:29 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38889] Simmer Down, Now
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Okay, everyone. To restate what our last moderator (dear Wanda) would
ask us to do, please be kind to one another. This forum isn't for nit
picking over what each of us does in our chosen expression of art.
It's all good. :-)
~Gayle Wohlken
Baren Moderator
ask us to do, please be kind to one another. This forum isn't for nit
picking over what each of us does in our chosen expression of art.
It's all good. :-)
~Gayle Wohlken
Baren Moderator
Message 6
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:30:16 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38890] Re: gold leaf
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OOOOKKKKKay! I surrender. I knew when I made that little tongue in
cheek comment about "fine art" that I would end up in trouble! My
point, if anyone remembers, was that it seemed to me (so this is just
one person's opinion) that lower priced items sell better on Etsy.
That is NOT to say that someone may not sell higher priced items from
time to time. It means exactly what it says, "Lower priced items sell
better on Etsy." Period. Also, I said there are a lot more, like way
more, what I would call crafts on the site, than there are what I
would term art. That does not mean that what you are doing is not
art. It means what it says, "there are more crafts than art on
Etsy." Just look - you will find many more knitted, crocheted,
stuffed animals, bric a brac, jewelry, tote bags, T-shirts, etc., than
you will framable or free standing art work.
I realize that it is generally the clod with the horrid comment who
responds that "you are being way too sensitive", but in this case I
believe it may be true. People are taking general comments personally
and then becoming sensitive over something that was never said.
I'm very sorry if I offended anyone. I certainly did not mean to
insinuate that any of the Bareners who sell are Etsy are not artists
selling art. I don't believe I said anything that could be construed
that way, but apparently some members took that leap. It was a long
one, so I hope you landed safely. And with that, I am off to carve on
my fence post, which has nothing to do with printmaking, so I may be
censored. Am I being too sensitive? And, then (gasp) I may even blog
about it ;-)
Cheers ~ and sell where ye may, people need more art in their homes,
lives, portfolios, etc. and it is our responsibility to make this
happen - whatever it takes.
Sharri
cheek comment about "fine art" that I would end up in trouble! My
point, if anyone remembers, was that it seemed to me (so this is just
one person's opinion) that lower priced items sell better on Etsy.
That is NOT to say that someone may not sell higher priced items from
time to time. It means exactly what it says, "Lower priced items sell
better on Etsy." Period. Also, I said there are a lot more, like way
more, what I would call crafts on the site, than there are what I
would term art. That does not mean that what you are doing is not
art. It means what it says, "there are more crafts than art on
Etsy." Just look - you will find many more knitted, crocheted,
stuffed animals, bric a brac, jewelry, tote bags, T-shirts, etc., than
you will framable or free standing art work.
I realize that it is generally the clod with the horrid comment who
responds that "you are being way too sensitive", but in this case I
believe it may be true. People are taking general comments personally
and then becoming sensitive over something that was never said.
I'm very sorry if I offended anyone. I certainly did not mean to
insinuate that any of the Bareners who sell are Etsy are not artists
selling art. I don't believe I said anything that could be construed
that way, but apparently some members took that leap. It was a long
one, so I hope you landed safely. And with that, I am off to carve on
my fence post, which has nothing to do with printmaking, so I may be
censored. Am I being too sensitive? And, then (gasp) I may even blog
about it ;-)
Cheers ~ and sell where ye may, people need more art in their homes,
lives, portfolios, etc. and it is our responsibility to make this
happen - whatever it takes.
Sharri
Message 7
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:32:36 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38891] Re: selling art on etsy
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Please pardon the second post, but this one is a sort of different
subject. Yesterday I went to the Museum of Contemporary Crafts to see
a fiber art exhibition and was absolutely overwhelmed at the two
exhibitions on until May 21. The first is Mandy Greer who works with
any kind of cast off fiber, yarn, whatever and lots of old costume
jewelry, buttons, detritus from Goodwill. It was like walking through
a fiber and bead rain forest. This is such a good example of taking
"craft" to the level of "fine art" (whoops, there I go again with the
fine art business). I hope everyone can understand what I mean by
that comment. You can see a portion of the exhibition at www.museumofcontemporarycraft.org/
both Mandy and the fellow who does the embroidery are worth
seeing. There are little short videos where she talks about her work,
process, etc. which will give you more of a feel for the scope of the
work.
I felt that this is a good illustration of someone taking very mundane
materials and elevating it to a whole new level. Basically, the
essence of the discussion about craft vs. art, or craft is art, or the
art of craft, or the craft of art, etc.
Cheers ~
Sharri
subject. Yesterday I went to the Museum of Contemporary Crafts to see
a fiber art exhibition and was absolutely overwhelmed at the two
exhibitions on until May 21. The first is Mandy Greer who works with
any kind of cast off fiber, yarn, whatever and lots of old costume
jewelry, buttons, detritus from Goodwill. It was like walking through
a fiber and bead rain forest. This is such a good example of taking
"craft" to the level of "fine art" (whoops, there I go again with the
fine art business). I hope everyone can understand what I mean by
that comment. You can see a portion of the exhibition at www.museumofcontemporarycraft.org/
both Mandy and the fellow who does the embroidery are worth
seeing. There are little short videos where she talks about her work,
process, etc. which will give you more of a feel for the scope of the
work.
I felt that this is a good illustration of someone taking very mundane
materials and elevating it to a whole new level. Basically, the
essence of the discussion about craft vs. art, or craft is art, or the
art of craft, or the craft of art, etc.
Cheers ~
Sharri
Message 8
From: Marissa
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:34:08 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38892] Re: gold leaf
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Sharri,
It was not your words that offended me really. It was the comments comparing
selling on Etsy to trash. You may have started it, but some others took it
way beyond what you said.
It was not your words that offended me really. It was the comments comparing
selling on Etsy to trash. You may have started it, but some others took it
way beyond what you said.