Today's postings
- [Baren 38387] Chicago Baren meeting (Plannedscapes # aol.com)
- [Baren 38388] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V46 #4740 (Mar 13, 2009) sharri (Sharri LaPierre)
- [Baren 38389] Techniques and Talents (ArtSpotiB # aol.com)
- [Baren 38390] Re: Chicago Baren meeting ( slinders # comcast.net)
- [Baren 38391] Re: does anyone draw anymore? (David Harrison)
- [Baren 38392] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V46 #4741 (Mar 13, 2009) (Mike Lyon)
Message 1
From: Plannedscapes # aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:04:38 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38387] Chicago Baren meeting
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I was browsing the website a bit ago and stumbled on photos of folks in the
Oakbook hotel lobby - I have met my brother in law there when he travels! -
and meant to ask how often people get together. Whether in conjunction with
whatever event you mentioned or otherwise, yes, i would love to meet other
printmakers and . . . is it possible? . . . see some of their work? I live in
the far west suburbs of Chi but am in Mineral Point, WI from about May 1 to
end of October, but if I knew in advance, I could get an artist to cover my
gallery for me and be here! Would love to meet up in Chicago or a nearby
suburb!
Karma
Oakbook hotel lobby - I have met my brother in law there when he travels! -
and meant to ask how often people get together. Whether in conjunction with
whatever event you mentioned or otherwise, yes, i would love to meet other
printmakers and . . . is it possible? . . . see some of their work? I live in
the far west suburbs of Chi but am in Mineral Point, WI from about May 1 to
end of October, but if I knew in advance, I could get an artist to cover my
gallery for me and be here! Would love to meet up in Chicago or a nearby
suburb!
Karma
Message 2
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 05:42:04 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38388] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V46 #4740 (Mar 13, 2009) sharri
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To answer the question as to what media we used in my drawing class:
Whatever we wanted. Each week we met for 3 hrs. on Tues. and the
assignment was given, there was an extensive discussion of artists who
were well known for that particular composition and the all the ins
and outs of that way of working, lots of esoteric stuff. We were all
given an artist to research at the library, observe as much of their
work as we could find, and make copies of some of their work that best
illustrated the assignment. (I still have all of that stuff in a file
somewhere in my morgue!) Then we had until Thursday to come up with
the goods - sometimes they were painted, oil or acrylic, maybe
watercolor, usually all done on cardboard or cheap paper (we were
students, after all!) and on Thursday when we came into the studio our
work went up on the wall for critique. We were then ripped for 3
hours - but, boy! we knew how to do it right when we came out of
there! I remember doing monotypes, one in particular involved lizard
stencils cut out of proof paper from the print studio, most of them
were done with oil pastels, or oil colors. I only recall one thing
that was drawn and that was with colored pencils. There must have
been a size requirement because I'm picturing something like 18 x 24
lined up on the walls. It was one of the best classes I've ever had.
I took two semesters from this man, he was such a great instructor.
However, we all teasingly referred to his class as the "torture
chamber", which I think annoyed him to no end!
Graham - I think producing good digital art is very difficult and
there are not many people who do it very well, but those who do it
well produce some amazing things. I particularly like Dot Krause's
work - http:www.dotkrause.com She is Professor Emeritus from the
Mass. College of Art, and co-authored the Digital Print Studio. She
combines digital and traditional printmaking techniques. Being a
"layer freak" myself, I love her work. And, I can tell you from
experience, that when you inadvertently delete the file you have
worked days on, it is nye impossible to do it again in exactly the
same way... And, there was nothing instant about it, either - at
least, not for me ;-)
Cheers ~
Sharri
Whatever we wanted. Each week we met for 3 hrs. on Tues. and the
assignment was given, there was an extensive discussion of artists who
were well known for that particular composition and the all the ins
and outs of that way of working, lots of esoteric stuff. We were all
given an artist to research at the library, observe as much of their
work as we could find, and make copies of some of their work that best
illustrated the assignment. (I still have all of that stuff in a file
somewhere in my morgue!) Then we had until Thursday to come up with
the goods - sometimes they were painted, oil or acrylic, maybe
watercolor, usually all done on cardboard or cheap paper (we were
students, after all!) and on Thursday when we came into the studio our
work went up on the wall for critique. We were then ripped for 3
hours - but, boy! we knew how to do it right when we came out of
there! I remember doing monotypes, one in particular involved lizard
stencils cut out of proof paper from the print studio, most of them
were done with oil pastels, or oil colors. I only recall one thing
that was drawn and that was with colored pencils. There must have
been a size requirement because I'm picturing something like 18 x 24
lined up on the walls. It was one of the best classes I've ever had.
I took two semesters from this man, he was such a great instructor.
However, we all teasingly referred to his class as the "torture
chamber", which I think annoyed him to no end!
Graham - I think producing good digital art is very difficult and
there are not many people who do it very well, but those who do it
well produce some amazing things. I particularly like Dot Krause's
work - http:www.dotkrause.com She is Professor Emeritus from the
Mass. College of Art, and co-authored the Digital Print Studio. She
combines digital and traditional printmaking techniques. Being a
"layer freak" myself, I love her work. And, I can tell you from
experience, that when you inadvertently delete the file you have
worked days on, it is nye impossible to do it again in exactly the
same way... And, there was nothing instant about it, either - at
least, not for me ;-)
Cheers ~
Sharri
Message 3
From: ArtSpotiB # aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 05:56:21 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38389] Techniques and Talents
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Andrew, you have such a wonderful way of thinking. I hope you don't mind my
appropriating your comment. Nor you, Shelley. (see current auto signature)
In high school I remember my dear Mother's (a recognized artist in her own
fields) comments when an exhibition gave first prize to a hooked rug version
of a Mondrian. Was it appropriation or was it translation and new thought? I
saw it and can't remember it at all. I have good visual memory abilities. She
could look at one piece of an artist's work and tell you which art school that
person attended. Pretty cool, I thought and still do.
I remember when I saw a solo show at the Columbus Art Museum (OH) of zeroxed
works. Basically the artist
took the technical advantages of copying then took such to form art in a new
level. I still remember many of the images, even where they hung in the
sizeable room. Something about the wierd colors and the paper texture made the art
rivetingly wonderful in addition to the objects photographed. I changed my mind
about the technique as I walked thru the exhibit. I'm not sure that it was
considered printmaking way back then. This was long, long ago. (Waving cane and
speaking in a crickety voice....)
I remember hearing of when photography was not considered a legit form of
art. I find it very amusing and good that it's come in thru the back door... of
digital art printmaking!
Perhaps what we are talking about here is quality rather than legitimacy.
That's what Andrew is really saying, if I understand him rightly. And I agree but
probably said it poorly before.
Perhaps what we have here is just a slice of time in the grander scale of a
new and fascinating technique of Art. Whether or not an artist is a skilled
draftsman may be an issue only to those who have undergone such training
themselves or who are hooked into traditional thought in these modern times. Digital
printmaking will go further and deeper. I guess it's the hands of the
individual that makes the grade.
And, for that matter, if it brings more people into finding printmaking of
interest, isn't that valuable? Once, while walking thru a juried exhibition on a
university campus with that Mother of mine, I asked her how she could show
there. Some of the art was just embarassingly bad. Her response? "Sometimes
people walk in with one sense of taste but leave with another". A correct
summation though it only became apparent to me later.
Isn't there room enough for everyone? But of course! (Wacking a few with her
cane. Voice evidencing a different level of volume.)
ArtSpot Out
Benny in California
"Now creativity is another matter. I just don't think it can be taught so
much as fostered in young minds." Shelley of The Baren
"A good artist should be able to make exciting work from whatever they have
on hand" Andrew of The Baren
"Here's to encouragement and courage to just do Art" Benny Alba
appropriating your comment. Nor you, Shelley. (see current auto signature)
In high school I remember my dear Mother's (a recognized artist in her own
fields) comments when an exhibition gave first prize to a hooked rug version
of a Mondrian. Was it appropriation or was it translation and new thought? I
saw it and can't remember it at all. I have good visual memory abilities. She
could look at one piece of an artist's work and tell you which art school that
person attended. Pretty cool, I thought and still do.
I remember when I saw a solo show at the Columbus Art Museum (OH) of zeroxed
works. Basically the artist
took the technical advantages of copying then took such to form art in a new
level. I still remember many of the images, even where they hung in the
sizeable room. Something about the wierd colors and the paper texture made the art
rivetingly wonderful in addition to the objects photographed. I changed my mind
about the technique as I walked thru the exhibit. I'm not sure that it was
considered printmaking way back then. This was long, long ago. (Waving cane and
speaking in a crickety voice....)
I remember hearing of when photography was not considered a legit form of
art. I find it very amusing and good that it's come in thru the back door... of
digital art printmaking!
Perhaps what we are talking about here is quality rather than legitimacy.
That's what Andrew is really saying, if I understand him rightly. And I agree but
probably said it poorly before.
Perhaps what we have here is just a slice of time in the grander scale of a
new and fascinating technique of Art. Whether or not an artist is a skilled
draftsman may be an issue only to those who have undergone such training
themselves or who are hooked into traditional thought in these modern times. Digital
printmaking will go further and deeper. I guess it's the hands of the
individual that makes the grade.
And, for that matter, if it brings more people into finding printmaking of
interest, isn't that valuable? Once, while walking thru a juried exhibition on a
university campus with that Mother of mine, I asked her how she could show
there. Some of the art was just embarassingly bad. Her response? "Sometimes
people walk in with one sense of taste but leave with another". A correct
summation though it only became apparent to me later.
Isn't there room enough for everyone? But of course! (Wacking a few with her
cane. Voice evidencing a different level of volume.)
ArtSpot Out
Benny in California
"Now creativity is another matter. I just don't think it can be taught so
much as fostered in young minds." Shelley of The Baren
"A good artist should be able to make exciting work from whatever they have
on hand" Andrew of The Baren
"Here's to encouragement and courage to just do Art" Benny Alba
Message 4
From: slinders # comcast.net
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 05:58:35 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38390] Re: Chicago Baren meeting
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Hi, Karma,
I'm in the NW suburbs of Chicago, but also love Mineral Point!
(Where there actually is a Shake-Rag-Under-the-Hill Street!?)
We really should get together again soon! We have several
new-since-the-last-time Chicago area people!
The last time we gathered, in 2005, Barbara was here from
Oregon, Carol drove in from Indianapolis, Dean and Susan from
Graphic Chemical, and Julio and John also were able to meet us
in the City!
You're all welcome to come here for a picnic or supper!
Speaking of getting together in Chicago, the Columbia College
folks have an amazing Southern Graphics Conference planned for
March 25 - 29, 2009! There will
be print events all over the City! Are any of you coming?
Where will you be staying, and when can we get together during that?
Good idea, Karma! Let's keep in touch!
Sharen
I'm in the NW suburbs of Chicago, but also love Mineral Point!
(Where there actually is a Shake-Rag-Under-the-Hill Street!?)
We really should get together again soon! We have several
new-since-the-last-time Chicago area people!
The last time we gathered, in 2005, Barbara was here from
Oregon, Carol drove in from Indianapolis, Dean and Susan from
Graphic Chemical, and Julio and John also were able to meet us
in the City!
You're all welcome to come here for a picnic or supper!
Speaking of getting together in Chicago, the Columbia College
folks have an amazing Southern Graphics Conference planned for
March 25 - 29, 2009! There will
be print events all over the City! Are any of you coming?
Where will you be staying, and when can we get together during that?
Good idea, Karma! Let's keep in touch!
Sharen
Message 5
From: David Harrison
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:22:46 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38391] Re: does anyone draw anymore?
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Graham Scholes wrote:
>
David Harrison wrote:
>> Absolutely incorrect. Try a 3d render sometime if you want a lesson in
>> exactitude. Or a high-spec book layout. Or any one of a multitude of
>> other tasks that would prove you wrong in a second.
>>
> Sorry to bust your balloon David.... I have done 3D stuff using my Wacom
> tablet ...... I have been using Mac computers since 1985. I do not
> find them the challenge as you obviously do. They sure have never
> improved my drawing skills ... and that is my bottom line.
Good for you. You are now arguing within the boundaries of my profession. I do
not "find it a challenge", and won't rise to your obvious intent to insult,
demean and patronize. I just do things that require thought, and plenty of it.
And to hear you say, "Using my Mac" or "using my Wacom" tells me a great deal
about your status and expertise. Wow.
>> Decry the tool as far as you just have and you insult the worker.
>> Offense taken.
>> I just profoundly disagree with the bottomless ignorance of the
>> digital medium demonstrated by Mr Scholes.
>
> I have simply expressed my 2¢ worth.... I suggest if you don’t find my
> experience and knowledge matching yours, that you don’t read my posts.
You post 'em here, expect them to be read. Say something insulting, expect
people to be insulted. It's a public forum and therefore people will call you
up on it.
> ummmm...I never personal insulted anyone as you have done twice now.
No, I have called your basis for comment into question. Deservedly.
>
David Harrison wrote:
>> Absolutely incorrect. Try a 3d render sometime if you want a lesson in
>> exactitude. Or a high-spec book layout. Or any one of a multitude of
>> other tasks that would prove you wrong in a second.
>>
> Sorry to bust your balloon David.... I have done 3D stuff using my Wacom
> tablet ...... I have been using Mac computers since 1985. I do not
> find them the challenge as you obviously do. They sure have never
> improved my drawing skills ... and that is my bottom line.
Good for you. You are now arguing within the boundaries of my profession. I do
not "find it a challenge", and won't rise to your obvious intent to insult,
demean and patronize. I just do things that require thought, and plenty of it.
And to hear you say, "Using my Mac" or "using my Wacom" tells me a great deal
about your status and expertise. Wow.
>> Decry the tool as far as you just have and you insult the worker.
>> Offense taken.
>> I just profoundly disagree with the bottomless ignorance of the
>> digital medium demonstrated by Mr Scholes.
>
> I have simply expressed my 2¢ worth.... I suggest if you don’t find my
> experience and knowledge matching yours, that you don’t read my posts.
You post 'em here, expect them to be read. Say something insulting, expect
people to be insulted. It's a public forum and therefore people will call you
up on it.
> ummmm...I never personal insulted anyone as you have done twice now.
No, I have called your basis for comment into question. Deservedly.
Message 6
From: Mike Lyon
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:29:02 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38392] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V46 #4741 (Mar 13, 2009)
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I will be at SGC March 27 on panel called "Printmaking with Extreme
Technology" and would love to meet anyone while I'm there!
Mike
Mike Lyon
Kansas City, Missouri
http://mlyon.com/blog
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Technology" and would love to meet anyone while I'm there!
Mike
Mike Lyon
Kansas City, Missouri
http://mlyon.com/blog
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