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[Baren 37098] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V45 #4555 (Oct 2, 2008) (Lynn Starun)
[Baren 37099] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V45 #4556 (Oct 2, 2008) (Eileen Corder)
[Baren 37100] etching inks ("viza arlington")
[Baren 37101] Re: etching inks (Charles Morgan)
[Baren 37102] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification (Blog Manager)
[Baren 37103] adios (Shawn + Elizabeth Newton)
[Baren 37104] Re: adios (Marissa)
[Baren 37105] Re: adios (Dave Bull)
[Baren 37106] Re: blog inclusion (Sharri LaPierre)
[Baren 37107] Re: adios (ArtSpotiB # aol.com)

Message 1
From: Lynn Starun
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:18:54 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37098] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V45 #4555 (Oct 2, 2008)
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Hi Marilynn,
I use the Guerra pigment dispersions and am lucky enough to be able to get into NYC from time to time
and buy them in the shop. I love looking through the shelves of little and bigger bottles and so many colors.
There's a HUGE color palette on the wall to refer to. As far as binders go, I don't use any. If you need to
dilute them, water works fine in my experience. I assume you're doing this Japanese style with paste? I love
the intensity of the dispersions. I find the dropper bottle a little hard to control so I put what I need in a
little jar and use a brush.
Lynn

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Message 2
From: Eileen Corder
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:08:17 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37099] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V45 #4556 (Oct 2, 2008)
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Hi Tina,

Anything I could do to help with the Swap Shop, please count me in.

Peace,
Eileen

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Message 3
From: "viza arlington"
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:31:36 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37100] etching inks
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Hi All,
can you use etching inks for relief printing? if so do they need modifiers? Charbonnel is the only ink that has the colors i want to use but they are etching inks.
thanks
viza

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Message 4
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:44:37 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37101] Re: etching inks
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Yes, I use etching inks for relief printing all the time. I thin them to the desired consistency with good quality<õR> artist's linseed oil or with thin burnt plate oil (#1, or #0, or even thinner). I have never had a problem with haloing,
as these oils harden fairly quickly when exposed to air.

Cheers ...... Charles

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Message 5
From: Blog Manager
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:55:34 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37102] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification
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Message 6
From: Shawn + Elizabeth Newton
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:55:47 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37103] adios
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a simple please would have been no problem to include if i knew baren was filled with prudes. i've never had to suck up to sign up for something.
and i've never had anyone tell me that i should kiss ass to sign up for something. that's stupid and prudish.

bye.

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Message 7
From: Marissa
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:14:00 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37104] Re: adios
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Please, can you save the dramafest? Most of us members have had nothing to
do with whatever the heck is going on here. I'm still pretty puzzled by it
since seeing it emerge this morning. I have zero feedback on how the group
is run and how blogs are added and don't take too kindly to be called a prude
simply for being a member.

see ya!

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Message 8
From: Dave Bull
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:14:52 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37105] Re: adios
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> a simple please would have been no problem to include if i knew baren
> was filled with prudes. i've never had to suck up to sign up for
> something.

I guess I should post about this ... as I am the 'cause' of this little
contretemps ...

Julio is the Blog Manager, but because of my experience with coding,
etc., I've been the person who actually makes the code change necessary
to add each person to the blog list, on request.

The way to make such requests is simple, and is outlined in the body of
each blog update email:
> ... wish it to be included in this daily checklist, please write to
> the Baren Blog Manager

Many people have done so, and there are now over 50 blogs being tracked
by our software. Requests usually come into my Inbox in this sort of
form:

> "Hello people; I'd appreciate it if you could add my blog to
> the daily check list. The address is .... etc. etc."

The next time I get a minute free from other work, I check their blog,
verify that it does indeed have woodblock content (and a readable Atom
feed - which is not always the case), and then make the adjustment to
the script to include it.

If Shawn's request had followed this pattern, his blog would now be on
the list, and there would have been no problem. Unfortunately he made
no 'request', but simply sent a three-word demand - 'add my blog'.
I'm not going to try and make excuses ... 'I was tired after a long day
of printing' blah blah blah ... but anyway, I felt peeved, and just
tossed it in the trash. My bad. He tried again later, with similar
phrasing, and my response was the same.

Things have escalated from there, and it seems as though he has now
moved on.

I'm not sure what else to add. I'm not a 'prude', and I'm not expecting
anybody to 'suck up' to me at anytime, anyplace. If he rejoins the
group, I will quietly add his blog to the list (he doesn't need to make
a new 'request'), and we can move on from there.

My apologies to the group for the negativity ...

Dave

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Message 9
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 06:09:17 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37106] Re: blog inclusion
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Shawn, and anyone else having blog-issues: I had some problems
getting my blog on the list, too, but eventually David and I were able
to work it out. I changed from the first blog to blogspot.com and
that seemed to solve the problem. As for the technical details, you
would have to speak with someone much, much, much more knowledgeable
than I. Yes, it was a bit frustrating, but it wasn't water-boarding.
Everyone who knows how will help - (grovel if you must - that's a joke!)

Cheers ~
Sharri

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Message 10
From: ArtSpotiB # aol.com
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:34:19 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37107] Re: adios
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Dear Dave.

Squeeky wheels get the attention... and are the strongest message. Temper
tantrums and bullies are best avoided when possible. I am glad that you spoke up
as you were being attacked and unfairly too!

A huffy person who makes character attacks always has the larger effect than
the many who say something nice. Volunteers usually don't tolerate being
abused. They vote with their feet while others just quietly never volunteer.

I swear, it takes about 10 nice comments/people to counterbalance one
negative. This is why I think it best to rid any listserve of a flamer... it has long
reaching, deep consequences...for those being attacked. Sometimes there are
misunderstandings but the damaging ones are consistant and have their effect.
Don't feel sorry for them as they know perfectly well what they do and enjoy
doing so too.

That said, I'd like to be one of the many who THANKS YOU EVER SO MUCH for
doing all that work that you do. Faithfully, carefully, continuously and with
great tact. When I came on I was thrilled to watch other's blogs. As my own
committments became larger, I found myself feeling overwhelmed. I recall asking you
(tho I didn't know who you were at the time and Julio was on vacation) to be
removed from the auto notification system. I was pushy too, I think, as I
didn't understand the protocol. You were ever so very nice to me. I still look
back at that time and thank you for being tolerant of my ignorance.

Dave, please.... let the ignorance of others slip over and down the damnits.
Remember that there are a lot of we silent ones out here appreciating your
work. I am sure that there are many of us who often quietly say "That Dave, he's
terrific! Aren't we lucky to have his brain and help", even though we don't
voice it often enough.

And a whopping big thanks to Julio too...

Warmly,

ArtSpot Out
Benny Alba at OMebase

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