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[Baren 36726] Re: Leech (Ragtaghorde # cs.com)
[Baren 36727] Re: Changing Directions in Creativity (Shireen Holman)
[Baren 36728] Re: Leech (Sharri LaPierre)
[Baren 36729] oil stain/ leeching ("bobcatpath # 207me.com")
[Baren 36730] Re: Leech ("Maria Arango")
[Baren 36731] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification (Blog Manager)

Message 1
From: Ragtaghorde # cs.com
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:00:47 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36726] Re: Leach
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> I think your culprit is the paper. It is too absorbent.

I wondered about this as well. Jason, you are using a Japanese paper:

Paper: Okawara Roll (Hiromi Paper International)

Isn't this a paper designed for a non-oily process? Perhaps the reason you
haven't had this problem with the block up to this point is the paper you were
using was more compatible with the ink? I know you said you had to specially
budget for the Okawara.

By the way, I went and looked at the print in question, and it is *splendid*.
I'm not surprised you have purchasers waiting eagerly!

Annie

Annie Fitt
www.anniefitt.etsy.com
& the Ragtag Horde ~ Whippets of Mass Destruction!
Wake, Virginia

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Message 2
From: Shireen Holman
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:41:38 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36727] Re: Changing Directions in Creativity
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Ellen, Benny, Barbara, Amanda - thank you for your kind words about my
books. I do try to show them as much as possible. I enter them into
juried shows that have pedestals or cases for books or sculptures, but
most places don't, and don't know how to display books. It is a
problem, and I do think it makes books less accessible to the public.
They have been in several of the Book as Art exhibits at the National
Museum of Women in the Arts - they are one of the few places that have
regular exhibits of book arts.

I'm now working on a new book - a long term project; I've already
spent more than a year on it. I've made pulp paintings and I'm now
carving and printing woodblocks. There will be two blocks printed on
each page. Registration is an absolute nightmare. The blocks have to
register with the pulp paintings, which have deckle edges and no right-
angled corners. Also, since there are images on both sides of each
page, the centers have to register so that when I fold the pages they
are the centers on both sides. No more projects like this if I ever
make it through!

About oil leaching - I am also using miracle gel, setswell and clove
oil, and I have no problem. So the problem must be the veggie oil, as
you thought. Maybe you need to leave the blocks a while to dry out?

Shireen

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Shireen Holman, Printmaker and Book Artist
email: shireen#shireenholman.com
http://www.shireenholman.com

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Message 3
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:09:07 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36728] Re: Leach
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Jason,
I've never had this problem, but it seems you are adding an awful lot
of modifiers to your ink. Try cutting back on the modifiers
(Setswell, EZ wipe, Gel Reducer) are all oil in various forms) and
and see if this doesn't solve your problem. If that isn't it, it is
probably your paper, as Diane notes. I would also suggest using damp
paper, but at that size, unless you are printing outside in Western
Washington State during the winter, I don't think that will work!

Good luck,
Sharri

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Message 4
From: "bobcatpath # 207me.com"
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:43:00 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36729] oil stain/ leaching
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Hi Jason

I have done large woodcuts of that size too-
see www.rst-art.com/GG-eag1.htm
By hand , with a teflon baren- and printers inks and
Cleaning up with cooking oil-with no problems such as what you have told us
-Also ,I have never sealed the block first

What happens when you print a plain sheet of newsprint on your un-inked
block?
Do you see the stain stains then??

If not-perhaps it is your INK

You mentioned adding oil of clove and setswell
I don't know if those would cause it- since I don't use them ever-

I love printers ink because it already is
the correct consistency and drying time
to go on and off,
the brayers and blocks-large or small-
With out oil stains and
drying in an over- nite time frame-
color takes longer than black and white to dry, but not much.
you could eliminate a lot of your worries in large block printing
with the printers ink , Jason

I forget what MDF is-
But isnt it that smooth 4 x 8 sheet that I have bought when I am making
signs?
Doesn’t it have a paper layer on its "good side"?
Perhaps that might be reacting to the ink and/or oil ?

I always HANG my large prints up to dry
With clothes pins and rope line
Plenty of room to breathe

And finally-take a deep breathe - and
why not just tell the folks on your ‘waiting list ‘
exactly what happened-

And they will just have to wait-

Things happen -- you are not a magician-
just an artist undertaking an ambitious project-

A respectful client/buyer should be quite understanding

Good luck from a lover of large prints
-Gillyin Gatto in MAINE

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Message 5
From: "Maria Arango"
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:31:16 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36730] Re: Leach
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Okawara is sized on one side, fairly generously if I recall. I use it all
the time with oil-based inks with no problems. It is not too absorbent, it
is very thin and extremely strong, very suitable for larger works as it
comes in huge sheets or a roll.

I don't use MDF so I cannot speak for that, but I do know that the miracle
gel is like Vaseline and NEVER dries if you use too much.

I would venture that you are adding too many additives to the ink and
perhaps one of them is reacting with another; more specifically, one of your
additives is not mixing with one of the oils and allowing it to crawl away
during drying.

My best guess is the retardant oil of clove is separating from the rest.
With miracle gel AND setswell compound you should not need an additional oil
to retard drying.

Good luck, nice print!

Maria

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Maria Arango

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Message 6
From: Blog Manager
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:55:37 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36731] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification
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