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Message 9
From: "bobcatpath # 207me.com"
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:56:02 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36480] postings and printers ink
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reusing printers ink- i do western style oily woodcuts on wood and lino
i have used comercial printer's ink for probably 35 years with no problems
i wonder why more folks dont- as it is very reliable, comes in one pound
cans,
is easy to dispence and keep, and dries over night-the blacks
and in usually 2 days for colors
i have prints of black and white and collor thaat were printed in 1977 and
they are a vibrant today as they were then
i buy my inks from VAN SON of Holland
they been making ink since 1872
my distributor is the PITTMAN CO in Boston
there is a HUGE array of colors to pick from and
they have many different whites ie.- opaque or transparent
i dont know why more artists dont use VAN SON
the UMAINE at Machias art dept here has used it for as many years as i

re- posting i usually sent a NEW message not connected to a tail
but often time -like yesterday-
it does not appear in the digest
i sent a message with this same content yesterday
where did it go??
we dont know --
hope this one makes it !
i think price of one pound of can of VAN SON Black right is about 18-20$
Gillyin Gatto

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Message 1
From: ArtfulCarol # aol.com
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:01:15 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36481] Chinese system of woodblock prints!
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A clear diagram of the Chinese table system of woodblock printing--scroll
down to page 4.
_http://pietzcker.de/en/holzschnitt_china.htm_
(http://pietzcker.de/en/holzschnitt_china.htm)
Does anyone do this? Looks easy putting 2 tables together .

Carol Lyons
_http://rst-art.com/carolgallery.htm#Escheraria%20Woodcuts_
(http://rst-art.com/carolgallery.htm#Escheraria%20Woodcuts)
(http://rst-art.com/artfulcarol.htm)

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Message 2
From: Maria Regina Pinto Pereira
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:08:24 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36482] Re: Chinese system of woodblock prints!
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she uses the tools in a very insecure way!!!

I saw this table for impression in a french manual of print.
I'll see if I found it and make a scan for you

MaRegina

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Message 3
From: Tim AumAn
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:27:12 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36483] Re: Suicide Blocks
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Perhaps it's just my feeble mind, but the extra planning &
concentration involved does not fit my defination of lazy!

When I'm carving a reduction block, I have to have NO distractions.
Phone gets turned off, no radio, nothing. I also need to do the
entire piece in as short of a period of time as possible. The ink
can't dry fast enough for me.

Personally, when I do a multi block, I am often lazy in my
preparation and doodling stage, knowing I can always wait until later
to carve my third block, or decide to cut a new fourth block, after
printing the first three, etc.

Tim AumAn
twa101@psu.edu

From "Ellen Shipley"
>Graham pondered:
>I have never found out the guy who invented.... if you want to call it
>that.... the method of reduction plates.... SUICIDE method.
>I have never been able to figure why anyone would do that.
>
>It's economical, it's lazy, but most importantly it's exciting. You
>make one mistake and you're dead, ergo, the name: suicide block.
>
>I've only done one and it's my favorite accomplishment. (I don't
>get out much.)
>
>Ellen

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Message 4
From: Scholes Graham
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:00:14 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36484] Re: Chinese system of woodblock prints!
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Look at the image directly below the knife and section “Cutting the
blocks”

If anyone cuts their blocks in this fashion, I suggest you DON’T
you never draw a knife towards you with a hand in the way...
or
Take out accident insurance because it is a sure accident waiting to
happen.
Such foolishness to put a picture like this on the site.

Teacher Scholes
Graham

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Message 5
From: debra percival
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:24:22 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36485] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V44 #4466 (Aug 7, 2008)
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Thank you Dave for sharing the wonderful link "China Vine"

Marilynn, I couldn't agree with you more both methods of woodcut are beautiful.  I have never heard the reduction method referred to as the suicide method before.  I have always considered it a very relaxing and spontaneous way of working.  Especially when working with transparent inks.  To be positive,  best not to  give negative titles to methods your working in and relax and enjoy what your doing.  If an accident happens and you carve off something important.  Bummer, but that is when you just go back to your original drawing and make a block for that area - or - for a small areas  glue it back in . OK, I will confess, I have finished a reduction with a big guff up and just painted the area in by hand. It adds an interesting contrast to the artwork. I love printmaking.

Debra James Percival
Artist/Instructor/Non-Toxic Printmaker
www.debrajamespercival.com
DebraJamesPercival.etsy.com

(902)  892-8363

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Message 6
From: Lynn Starun
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:30:47 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36486] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V44 #4471 (Aug 8, 2008)
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Hi Everyone,
I'm thinking about this "L" shaped wood registration method. Does this mean you need to make sure all your blocks have the image carved in exactly the same position on the woodblock? Maybe the deal is that you can move the registration that you've taped on to make it come out right?

I've had the best results when I printed out all the blocks at once and pasted them all down with the kento drawn on the printed image. I noticed this last time that it's possible to have your black lines sort of grow. I think the reason was I carved them as drawn and then decided they were too thick and then I shrank them by carving from the inside edge. Next time I will take more time and carve away from outside and inside.
Lynn

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Message 7
From: "claudiacoonen"
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:54:06 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36487] Re: Scrolls Prints and Frames
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There are actually a few scroll mounters in Japan, I have worked with Yohimura-san a Living National Treasure in Nara Perfecture but the price for these scrolls is a bit dear ( as many things are in Japan) as he sometimes uses lovely antique silks.

claudia g. coonen
www.surface-designs.com

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Message 8
From: Carole Baker
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:55:29 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36488] Re: titanium
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Tom in Australia, thanks for all your information on using titanium
for moku hanga. I do moku hanga using the transparency of the
pigments to produce differing values, with the white of the paper
(though not always white) being the white and using less pigment for
lighter values (pastels). I've copied your posts and will be
experimenting soon. I'm wondering, just how do you make a bokashi
more easily controlled with the titanium?

Carole Baker
Alaska

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Message 9
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:24:10 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36489] Re: Chinese system of woodblock prints!
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You guys are missing the point ... This is an example of a REAL suicide block ...



Cheers ...... Charles

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Message 10
From: "steffan ziegler"
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:29:12 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36490] Re: Suicide Blocks
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A lot of people say it was Picasso...

But here is a pretty exhaustive thesis which traces the practive a little
earlier...

http://www.printsandprintmaking.gov.au/catalogues/bibliography/136140/bunbury44-alisa-not-picassos-invention--a-foray-in.aspx

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Message 11
From: Dave Bull
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:05:34 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36491] Re: Administrative message re quoting, etc.
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Dave Bull wrote:
> ... the Digests produced by Majordomo are totally unreadable.
> If you are receiving the version labelled as: Baren Digest (old)
> ... you know what I mean.

> Note: if you are still trying to read the old version, then get thee
> to this page and change your subscription:
> http://www.barenforum.org/subscribing/switch.php

OK, I've received some mails about this, and should have mentioned one
other point - when you do this 'switch' to one of the cleaned-up digest
versions, there is no way for you to avoid also still receiving the
'old' one too, from Majordomo.

If we were to take your name off the Majordomo list, you would not be
able to post to [Baren], so there is no way to stop them from arriving
(there is no 'vacation' setting we can turn on for you).

The solution is easy though - just find the 'Rules' or 'Filters'
settings of your email program, and tell it to dump anything with the
exact phrase "Baren Digest (old)" in the Subject line. If you do this,
you will still maintain ability to post, but will not be bothered with
seeing the old Digests in your Inbox.

Dave

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Message 12
From: ArtSpotiB # aol.com
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 02:50:32 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36492] Thanks
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Dear Dave.

Just a little note from me that is probably just what so many others are
saying but not thinking....

We all know that you do a lot of work behind the scenes that we can't
possibly know about. It is the role of any form of management to do an immense amount
of work that isn't visible unless one has been in the role one's self. The
smoothness of the BAREN is a wonder, which means that YOU are doing it all the
time and doing a good job too.

As for me, thanks for the ideas on how to fix this and that. Some friends
want the automated "thread" (ie. previous emails) included in every email. Others
such as myself would gladly go without it. We have a richness of choices,
don't we? Just a tap of the keys skims the extra material and on I go!

All I know is that I am leaving town for three days and I bet my mailbox will
be CRAMMED with the current, wonderful dialog from Baren members. What's
more, I bet I'll prolly read thru all of them upon return!

Thanks, Dave, from all of us (if I may be so bold) for keeping the BAREN
afloat.

ArtSpot Out
BA in studio



"It is neither wealth nor splendor, but tranquility and
occupation, which give happiness."
--Thomas Jefferson

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