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Message 1
From: ArtfulCarol # aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:04:49 EST
Subject: [Baren 34597] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V41 #4144 (Dec 5, 2007)
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From Carol Lyons: Often I feel a responsibilty as a member of Baren to
comment on what appears in my e-mail -- an impossible burden. So this covers all
newbies -- Welcome to the BEST cyberspace group and keep at it. You will get
answers and opinions from around the world and critques gently couched.
To Jason Van Deusen: It looks like you have what it takes in this art
game: talent, perseverance, time, plan for the future. Go with your Gut
Feeling and Good Luck.
C.L.

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Message 2
From: "Marilynn Smith"
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:18:14 -0800
Subject: [Baren 34598] Re: Baren Digest (old) V41 #4144
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Jason, the relief print i liked the best was my perfect village of
loneliness. It is a simple yet strong image. Also it conveys emotion, I can
feel the loneliness. Excellent. I am not sure I would redo any of your
prints.I also loved your etching with the fish and the net. I could feel
the process of netting the fish.
Marilynn

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Message 3
From: "Lee Churchill"
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:18:03 -0700
Subject: [Baren 34599] blakbyrd message
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Hi All,

I just got this very garbled message from someone named "blakbyrd" - did
others get it and what the heck is it about?? I didn't include all the
random messages attached to it as they would take up too much room. My
understanding is that the Baren exchanges are held at the Spencer
Museum, that the Summit was never a yearly event (there have only been
two that I can find reference to, and that the Baren exchanges are
uploaded by a volunteer when they have time - is that all correct?

In confusion,

Lee.

If you are wondering why the baren exchanges are incomplete, why there
wasnt a summit last year and why baren no longer has museum
sponsorship, then perhaps you missed this.


Print Australia is an Australian non profit organisation for
professional Australian artists and international guests, the Baren
Group is an American commercial organisation for amateur woodblock
printmakers. In the redevelopment of Print Australia this year I found
it necessary to make a clear division between the two groups, making
them mutually exclusive, and, due to the high baren involvement with the
ssnw group, I am now applying the same principles to ssnw group. Thus
members of ssnw and participants in its exchanges are no longer eligible
for membership of Print Australia/Lyrebyrd.

......I [Lee] removed a bunch of messages.....

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Message 4
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:04:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 34600] Baren and strange messages
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Lee,
I am sorry you are confused...
The Baren Forum is an international association of
over 400 relief printmakers. Joining is free. The
first 30 exchange archives are housed at the Spencer
Museum in Kansas City and the next 30 or so will be
housed at the University of Kentucky. They are used
for teaching and educational purposes by both these
institutions.

The woman who runs Print Australia is no longer a
member of Baren due to the fact that her list manners
were unacceptable and after repeated warnings she was
permanently unsubscribed. This has happened to only 3
people in the 10 years Baren has been on the internet.
The council takes the responsibility for maintaining
the list very seriously and this was not done lightly.
This post you received was fallout from this
situation, although it happened about 5 years ago.

All the recent baren subscribers know nothing of this
as it truly was in the past where we would like to
keep it. If you receive any more posts like this, just
hit delete. I think many of us have this email listed
as spam in our filters so no longer are bothered by
such posts. Of course our archives are open to the
public and occasionally emails are harvested no matter
how careful Gayle is at removing them when she does
the archives. This might be how you ended up with this
email or sometimes posts are forwarded and the email
address are not removed so can be picked up.

We have had two summits and think number 3 is in the
infant planning stages. Since this is an all volunteer
organization someone must step up to the plate and
organize such an event. Once it gets going, more and
more people get on board to help and both events were
more fun than you can possibly imagine. I sure plan to
go to number 3.

For everyone's info the council consists of about 10
people who have a tiny private email list..but we run
so smoothly now we hardly ever need it. Weeks and
weeks go by with not one post between us.

Dave Bull..our fearless leader and computer guru
extrodianire ( Dave built the site and fixes any major
problems, usually with the mall)
Mike Lyon, the coordinator of coordinators for the
exchanges
Wanda Robertson, list Moderator
Gayle Wholken, Archivest (she does this every day!!!)
Barbara Mason, mall manager and organization treasurer
(pays all the bills for the site and pays the vendors
for the mall)
Julio Rodriguez, new years exchanges and site
management help
David Harrison, newsletter (one will happen again
someday)
Maria Arango, website management help
Darrell Maddis, who is baren updating

Also I want to thank Michelle Morelle who is the mall
assistant. She processes the credit card orders and
sends them on to Japan.
Mary Kuster stores and ships the Yamaguchi and Iwano
paper and Darrell Maddis stores and ships the Exchange
portfolio cases. Without the help of so many this list
would just not be in existence.
If I missed anyone I am sorry as we truly appreciate
everyone.

Let me say the website could use a little updating so
if anyone has great computer skills and wants to
volunteer let us know. Baren Forum is the most amazing
group on the internet but the main page is looking a
little dated.. none of us who have skills has time. We
can add content at any time if someone wants to do so.
My best to all
Barbara

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Message 5
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:13:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 34601] spencer museum
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Sorry about the fact that I moved the Spencer to
Kansas City in my last post...it is of course in
Lawrence Kansas but is darn close to Kansas City as I
remember driving to it from the summit and it seemed
only about 20 minutes or so.
Best to all
Barbara

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Message 6
From: "phare-camp # imp-s.com"
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:10:52 -0500
Subject: [Baren 34602] RE: New Baren Digest (Text) V41 #4144 (Dec 5, 2007)
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Hello Bareners:

I'm sure I'm not the only Barener who has received this cryptic
correspondence today. I have difficulty believing that professional
printmakers in Australia have suddenly decided that Baren is a sham. If
this person is sending these slanderous emails to other organizations,
artists, schools and arts associations than steps should be taken to put a
stop to them. First of all this person obviously is harvesting the
personal emails of bareners and spamming us; people like this are the
reason I have to change my email (the hundreds of daily spam are clogging
up my mailbox and robbing me of precious time). Second I don't appreciate
someone with petty accusations disparaging the reputation of an
organization I have been proud to be a part of for near a decade.

On a lighter note, if baren really is a commercial venture how does a
member get a peice of the vast fortune...;^D

Pasted below is the neurotic email I today...

From: blakkbyrd
To: blakkbyrd
Subject: [Baren] Summit
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:12:39 +0100
If you are wondering why the baren exchanges are incomplete, why
there wasnt a summit last year and why baren no longer has museum
sponsorship, then perhaps you missed this.

SSNW06 is an unauthorised copy of the lyrebyrd miniprint which is
being conducted by the Baren summit committee. Its in breach of my
copyright

Lyrebyrd
Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:54 pm
Re: ssnw06

Print Australia is an Australian non profit organisation for
professional Australian artists and international guests, the Baren
Group is an American commercial organisation for amateur woodblock
printmakers. In the redevelopment of Print Australia this year I
found it
necessary to make a clear division between the two groups, making
them mutually exclusive, and, due to the high baren involvement with
the ssnw group, I am now applying the same principles to ssnw group.
Thus members of ssnw and participants in its exchanges are no longer
eligible for membership of Print Australia/Lyrebyrd.

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Message 7
From: Julio.Rodriguez # walgreens.com
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:53:44 -0600
Subject: [Baren 34603] Re: Baren and strange messages
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Lee, Patti and others that may have received the recent spam
messages.......

Barbara just about said it all and very well !!! Use the 'delete' option
when you get stuff like that !

The only thing I would add is that the SSNW exchanges referred to in the
spam are not Baren sponsored but sponsored privately by Charles Morgan who
has been and is an important member of our Baren family. Since the number
one objective of the Baren community is to promote printmaking we have
never objected to members promoting or sponsoring their own side
exchanges. This freedom to do your own thing IMHO is what makes this
community so different from other groups out there. We don't look to
control or compete but rather to facilitate information to all. Not only
Charles for the last several years has promoted SSNW exchanges on Baren
but most recently other members like Robert Viana, Robin Morris, Kathe
Welch & Heather Piazza (Four Oceans Press), etc,.. all have sponsored
their own projects. This has always been acceptable practice in our
community as our goal is to promote.

Ironically enough it was an outside exchange by PrintAustralia (Sacred
Trees) that was the first non-Baren exchange promoted in our newsletter
back in April 2000. Back then both groups coexisted peacefully as
benefactors for the printmaking community and members often posted and
participated in exchanges from both groups:
http://barenforum.org/newsletter/issue01/issue01.html

Since those days PrintAustralia and Baren have gone their separate ways
and many Baren members were outcasted from the PrintAustalia group by
their coordinator.

Baren has always strived to be 'inclusive' rather than
'exclusive'.....that is why the mix of amateurs/professionals, oily/water,
beginners/seasoned-pros has always been the cornerstone of our group. As
far as Baren being a 'commercial' organization that statement is false. We
do have mall which receives a small commission from each mall sale but as
a US based not-for-profit organization we use the money towards
printmaking & group related objectives. From the very start ten years ago
EVERYONE involved with Baren performs their duties on a volunteer basis.


thanks....Julio Rodriguez

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Message 8
From: Wanda Robertson
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:21:25 -0800
Subject: [Baren 34604] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V41 #4144 (Dec 5, 2007)
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> On a lighter note, if baren really is a commercial venture how does a
> member get a peice of the vast fortune...;^D

Heeheehee, just volunteer & you too can share in the vast commercial
wealth!

Everything (and I do mean everything) is done by volunteers on
Baren. It was and is a collection of amateur and professional artists
who
have printmaking in common. Although we generally focus on Japanese
woodblock, we have people who do many different kinds of printmaking
and it becomes a community of a wide range of abilities and
accomplishments.

Wanda

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Message 9
From: "Jeanne Norman Chase"
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:37:54 -0500
Subject: [Baren 34605] E mails, blogs, etc
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Hi Bareners

I think I understand where Carol lyons is coming from. I have soooo much on my computer. The e mails alone take time to read and I simply cannot go blogging at all.
I always intend to answer the e mails but there are so many that I keep forgetting the ones I want to answer.
So forgive my lapse of memory.
When Baren first started there were just a few of us and it was easy to keep up, now it is almost impossible.
This said; this is one fine group and I still will try and keep up with you all.
Question;
I am making a sign (ugh) and I want it to dry in a hurry. Can I paint it in Aqua Colors for fast drying time. It is a sign that a friend wants to put on her gazebo. I am going to dremel parts of it. Just got a new dremel.
Thanks to all who suggested different makes.
Something new for me and my arthritic wrist.

Regards
Jeanne Norman Chase. one of the oldies.

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Message 10
From: "M Pereira"
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 02:07:18 -0200
Subject: [Baren 34606] Re: Baren and strange messages
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Congratulations to all , Barbara (same name of
my daughter).
I don't know what to say. I am very small in
front of all of you, the creators and
mainteinings. Sorry if the words are not so well.
I am very proud - int he good sense - of being
a member since 2000.
I feel sorry for me just thinking that I
subscribe for exchanges in beggining and
couldn't make the prints.
But I participate in the 16th, 23rd , and the nudes,
and influential pritmaker, and one
of selfportrait , that that was on American Artists.
I appreciate very much all work, as much in the site
as artists. I like very much to have the exchanges prints,
so beautiful works...
I know my prints are very simple in front of you
but it's open so I enter .
Barbara, I liked much to read this post
the English was so good to read
that it makes me want to write too.
Thank you everybody.
Best wishes,
Murilo Pereira, Florianópolis, SC, Brasil, south America.

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