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[Baren 33893] Re: Baren Exchange rules regarding stencils (Tiberiu Chelcea)
[Baren 33894] Re: water based relief inks ("steffan ziegler")
[Baren 33895] fish prints in NY Times (Tim AumAn)
[Baren 33896] Re: Baren Exchange rules regarding stencils (Wanda Robertson)
[Baren 33897] Re: fish prints in NY Times (Barbara Mason)
[Baren 33898] Re: fish prints in NY Times (Charles Morgan)
[Baren 33899] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification (Blog Manager)
[Baren 33900] Re: water based relief inks ("Loren Letourneau")

Message 1
From: Tiberiu Chelcea
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:04:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 33893] Re: Baren Exchange rules regarding stencils
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Thanks for the clarification. The rules state that "Coordinators are obligated to reject prints whose primary method of production is by other means. For example: monotype, intaglio, stencil, lithography, ink jet, laser, photocopy, etc are to be rejected by the coordinator." --- that's why I was concerned about stenciling.

So this means that I can combine one of these with woodblock, as long as the woodblock part is substantial/51%? Not that I'm planning that now, but it would be interesting sometime in the future.

Tibi

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Message 2
From: "steffan ziegler"
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:18:20 -0700
Subject: [Baren 33894] Re: water based relief inks
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I've been using these for a long while, and have to say that for what I use
them for, (printing off a woodblock, laying the ink on with a brayer, and
then pulling prints with a wooden spoon,) they are excellent. They
closely approximate oil based inks in all the right ways, with only a few
drawbacks, and many advantages. I was able to swap out these for the Graphic
Chemical etching inks that I was using without much stress, and now I can
clean up in my kitchen sink.

Some things I've noticed, they dry in a few hours, so print what you need
quickly or your ink will get very sticky on the slab, and will not transfer
as well to the block. I have a problem here, since mixing a color for an
edition means that I'll have a quarter to half a cup of ink mixed, and only
use a tablespoon at a time. I don't want to re-mix halfway, since I can't
be guaranteed the same color. You may not have this difficulty, you may be
one of those that has their act together, and knows the precise ratio and
can reliably mix up "country antique blue" every time without fail. Me, I
am not so precise as this. So I compromise. I still mix a TON of ink up for
an edition, but I keep the extra in an air-tight tupperware container until
I need it. This works pretty well for me, but I've never let a color sit
overnight. If the ink on the slab gets tacky I spray the surface of the ink
with a fine mist of water, and that seems to help loosen it back up. I've
heard that adding glycerin helps prolong the drying time.

These won't be as "creamy" as charbonnel etching inks, they have a stickier
nature, more like a litho ink, (they have a nature that's sort of halfway
between etching and litho, to me) they won't need any modification to go
onto the block as a relief ink. I had to "tweak" etching inks quite a bit
with plate oil and the like to turn them into decent relief inks. No need
with these, they are formulated as relief inks from the get-go. They would
need modification in the other direction to be a good etching ink, I don't
think they'd wipe well at all, and might even dry on the plate before you
got a clean wipe.

As for your color question, I can interpret it in a few ways, if you mean,
do the colors mix into one another and make secondary colors without any odd
discoloration or "striation" due to some strange quality of the ink, then
they mix well. If you mean, "can i use the red, yellow and blue to make
3-color separations? Or can I mix 30% blue with 70% yellow to get a certain
shade of green acording to pantone," then I don't think the primaries they
offer are "process" primaries, so your milage will vary. The daniel smith
catalog has a sort of mock "tap out" that seems pretty true to the colors
that they offer.

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Message 3
From: Tim AumAn
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:36:44 -0400
Subject: [Baren 33895] fish prints in NY Times
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Apologies if this is a dupe....

There's a nice article in today's NYTimes food section on fish prints

First a Hook, Then Ink: An Artist's Catch
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/dining/08fish.html?ref=dining

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Message 4
From: Wanda Robertson
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:31:13 -0700
Subject: [Baren 33896] Re: Baren Exchange rules regarding stencils
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I think the "primary" word is the operable part. Probably there are
many prints in exchanges that are a combination of one thing or
another. There are some really nice ones with chin colle (sp?)
included. And I don't know of any prints that have ever been rejected.
Combine away.... :-)
Wanda

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Message 5
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:29:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 33897] Re: fish prints in NY Times
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This is amazing..she sells them for $2500 and we are
doing it for free all summer with kids....hummm. Maybe
we are in the wrong business..
Best to all,
Barbara

->
> There's a nice article in today's NYTimes food
> section on fish prints
>
> First a Hook, Then Ink: An Artist's Catch
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/dining/08fish.html?ref=dining

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Message 6
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:16:04 -0700
Subject: [Baren 33898] Re: fish prints in NY Times
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Hmmmm .... maybe you should contact her and offer to sub-contract the work ....

Cheers ..... Charles

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Message 7
From: Blog Manager
Date: 9 Aug 2007 03:55:23 -0000
Subject: [Baren 33899] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification
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Message 8
From: "Loren Letourneau"
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:45:10 +0200
Subject: [Baren 33900] Re: water based relief inks
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Hi,

I used water-based inks extensively in several university print
courses, and glycerin greatly extended the drying-out time. That
said, I don't know a lot about those particular inks, and so can't
help you with the colours question.

On the whole, I agree with Steffan, in that I much prefer using
water-based inks when possible if only for the clean-up and
stink-factor.

Loren

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