Today's postings
- [Baren 33540] Re: Dating Prints (Andy English)
- [Baren 33541] Dates on prints (baren_member # barenforum.org)
- [Baren 33542] Re: Dating prints (Barbara Mason)
- [Baren 33543] Re: Dating prints ("Mike Lyon")
- [Baren 33544] Prints ("Robert Viana")
- [Baren 33545] Along with Dave's color your own!. ("Imin Yeh")
- [Baren 33546] RE: Prints ("Mike Lyon")
- [Baren 33547] Your Newsletter Needs YOU! (David Harrison)
- [Baren 33548] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification (Blog Manager)
Message 1
From: Andy English
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:43:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Baren 33540] Re: Dating Prints
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I agree with Harry that people often shy away from "old" prints; I certainly avoid dating my prints. My exception is bookplates - I have small rubber stamps made with my name, the medium and the year. If I send samples to anyone I use these on the back of the plate - really just to save writing it on every time.
As for the generations yet unborn who may buy our prints in such future as there may be, I think that it will be the quality of the image - and perhaps size or rarity - that would guide prices, rather than the date. Some scholar will have to go back through our archives and sort it all out while Harry and I are pulling celestial prints from that great Albion in the sky!
Andy
Wood Engraver / Printmaker
I will design engrave and print your bookplate, illustration, pet portrait, image for wedding stationary, change of address card or a whole edition of prints to your specifications!
Lots of new prints added to www.andyenglish.com
As for the generations yet unborn who may buy our prints in such future as there may be, I think that it will be the quality of the image - and perhaps size or rarity - that would guide prices, rather than the date. Some scholar will have to go back through our archives and sort it all out while Harry and I are pulling celestial prints from that great Albion in the sky!
Andy
Wood Engraver / Printmaker
I will design engrave and print your bookplate, illustration, pet portrait, image for wedding stationary, change of address card or a whole edition of prints to your specifications!
Lots of new prints added to www.andyenglish.com
Message 2
From: baren_member # barenforum.org
Date: 5 Jun 2007 14:00:38 -0000
Subject: [Baren 33541] Dates on prints
Message posted from: Dale Phelps
I always put the year on my prints. I find it helps me to remember when I did them if for no other reason.
Dale Phelps
I always put the year on my prints. I find it helps me to remember when I did them if for no other reason.
Dale Phelps
Message 3
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:21:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 33542] Re: Dating prints
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Annie,
I think we have talked about this many times and I agree....I number my prints but I do not date them...sometimes an edition takes sevral years to print as I do them in groups of 2, so it might take 5 years to print 20 (the top number I usually print) or I may never do more than the first 2. Sales do seem to determine which ones get reprinted. I have certaily found that the ones I love are not necessarily the popular ones! I do keep a sample and very good notes for each print...or it would not be much of an edition.
Dave neither numbers or dates his work, many artists put a/p on all the prints and have no idea how many have come off a plate or block.
I think galleries or dealers started the numbering dating thing to artrificially increase the price of work, to be able to say...there are only a few left of this one so "get it now."...
As we all know, we are capable of making hundreds, but then what do you do with them, stack them in neat little piles under the bed???? Lets hope not.
On a hopeful note, my every other year exhibit has just been hung, I will have pictures of the inside of the gallery soon, but some of the work is here
http://www.waterstonegallery.com/dynamic/artist.asp?artistid=8
These are solarplate intaglio...sorry they are not woodblock.
Print Arts Northwest is showing two wonderful woodblock artists this month, Walt Padgett and Chris Papa...I will get photos of the show. Walt works in the traditional Japanese method and Chris is an oily guy....both do amazing work. Chris has some huge work, all non-objective. Very exciting stuff. I will get photos up, my husband has promised to take photos tomorrow night.
Best to all
Barbara
I think we have talked about this many times and I agree....I number my prints but I do not date them...sometimes an edition takes sevral years to print as I do them in groups of 2, so it might take 5 years to print 20 (the top number I usually print) or I may never do more than the first 2. Sales do seem to determine which ones get reprinted. I have certaily found that the ones I love are not necessarily the popular ones! I do keep a sample and very good notes for each print...or it would not be much of an edition.
Dave neither numbers or dates his work, many artists put a/p on all the prints and have no idea how many have come off a plate or block.
I think galleries or dealers started the numbering dating thing to artrificially increase the price of work, to be able to say...there are only a few left of this one so "get it now."...
As we all know, we are capable of making hundreds, but then what do you do with them, stack them in neat little piles under the bed???? Lets hope not.
On a hopeful note, my every other year exhibit has just been hung, I will have pictures of the inside of the gallery soon, but some of the work is here
http://www.waterstonegallery.com/dynamic/artist.asp?artistid=8
These are solarplate intaglio...sorry they are not woodblock.
Print Arts Northwest is showing two wonderful woodblock artists this month, Walt Padgett and Chris Papa...I will get photos of the show. Walt works in the traditional Japanese method and Chris is an oily guy....both do amazing work. Chris has some huge work, all non-objective. Very exciting stuff. I will get photos up, my husband has promised to take photos tomorrow night.
Best to all
Barbara
Message 4
From: "Mike Lyon"
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:16:59 -0500
Subject: [Baren 33543] Re: Dating prints
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I have made very few 'open editions' - almost all my editions are printed in
entirety and THEN I decide the 'edition size' based on the number of
suitable identical prints. So I 'curate' prints into those which comprise
'the edition' and I immediately sign, number, and date those. Remaining
prints are state proofs, deviate from edition 'standard' in color or
otherwise, are blotched, etc. Good ones are marked 'proof', 'state proof',
sometimes 'a/p' or 'unique state' - I record the total number of sheets
printed, the edition size, and any other notes about the run. If I've
managed to produce a couple of large groups of a different character
(state), then I'll divide them into first and second editions based on which
I prefer, with the ones I like most being first edition and the others 'B'
edition (2nd edition).
Some large publishers (I'm thinking of Pace Editions) have the artist sign
and number prints as they are produced before the entire edition is
complete. It can take a printer several years to complete an edition of 60
complex prints for Pace, so Pace may take the first 15 or 20 of an edition
of 60, have them signed and numbered 1/60 through 20/60 and ship them off to
collectors - but the entire edition of 60 is always completed ASAP (I think)
and the editions are NOT produced 'to order' - the idea that work would be
marked "4/25,000" (I'm using an extreme kind of Thomas Kincaid like example
here) when only 8 actually ever get printed is not a very great idea because
it tends to REDUCE the value of the 8 which were actually produced as the
supply of similar prints appears to be so very large (10,000). It might be
better to print, say, 10 at a time, and later produce 2nd, 3rd, and 4th
editions to satisfy additional demand. These should be appropriately marked
2nd or B edition, etc. Collector-type might take greater pride (and pay
more) for a 1st edition than for a subsequent edition.
I like to date my work - usually I indicate only the year after my
signature.
On prints, I usually pencil in the bottom margin this information LEFT:
title CENER: example/edition RIGHT: signature & year -- different artists
do it in different order but most include similar info
Barbara's right, I think - limited editions (and numbering like 33/100
meaning the 33rd of 100 impressions) was conceived around the beginning of
the 20th century as a method to increase the value or price by limiting the
supply.
I don't stack my unsold prints under the bed - I keep them stacked in
not-so-neat (but 'safe') piles in my print drawers waiting (and waiting) for
demand to build. I increase my prices from time to time, but I NEVER reduce
my prices. Collectors LIKE it when the price of a print they own increases
- but it'd be pretty insulting to a collector to find that the next guy was
able to buy the same print for less. I don't mind that my work appreciates
like that.
Try typing this into a Google Search:
Define: limited edition
My 2 cents?
Mike
Mike Lyon
Kansas City, MO
http://mlyon.com/blog
entirety and THEN I decide the 'edition size' based on the number of
suitable identical prints. So I 'curate' prints into those which comprise
'the edition' and I immediately sign, number, and date those. Remaining
prints are state proofs, deviate from edition 'standard' in color or
otherwise, are blotched, etc. Good ones are marked 'proof', 'state proof',
sometimes 'a/p' or 'unique state' - I record the total number of sheets
printed, the edition size, and any other notes about the run. If I've
managed to produce a couple of large groups of a different character
(state), then I'll divide them into first and second editions based on which
I prefer, with the ones I like most being first edition and the others 'B'
edition (2nd edition).
Some large publishers (I'm thinking of Pace Editions) have the artist sign
and number prints as they are produced before the entire edition is
complete. It can take a printer several years to complete an edition of 60
complex prints for Pace, so Pace may take the first 15 or 20 of an edition
of 60, have them signed and numbered 1/60 through 20/60 and ship them off to
collectors - but the entire edition of 60 is always completed ASAP (I think)
and the editions are NOT produced 'to order' - the idea that work would be
marked "4/25,000" (I'm using an extreme kind of Thomas Kincaid like example
here) when only 8 actually ever get printed is not a very great idea because
it tends to REDUCE the value of the 8 which were actually produced as the
supply of similar prints appears to be so very large (10,000). It might be
better to print, say, 10 at a time, and later produce 2nd, 3rd, and 4th
editions to satisfy additional demand. These should be appropriately marked
2nd or B edition, etc. Collector-type might take greater pride (and pay
more) for a 1st edition than for a subsequent edition.
I like to date my work - usually I indicate only the year after my
signature.
On prints, I usually pencil in the bottom margin this information LEFT:
title CENER: example/edition RIGHT: signature & year -- different artists
do it in different order but most include similar info
Barbara's right, I think - limited editions (and numbering like 33/100
meaning the 33rd of 100 impressions) was conceived around the beginning of
the 20th century as a method to increase the value or price by limiting the
supply.
I don't stack my unsold prints under the bed - I keep them stacked in
not-so-neat (but 'safe') piles in my print drawers waiting (and waiting) for
demand to build. I increase my prices from time to time, but I NEVER reduce
my prices. Collectors LIKE it when the price of a print they own increases
- but it'd be pretty insulting to a collector to find that the next guy was
able to buy the same print for less. I don't mind that my work appreciates
like that.
Try typing this into a Google Search:
Define: limited edition
My 2 cents?
Mike
Mike Lyon
Kansas City, MO
http://mlyon.com/blog
Message 5
From: "Robert Viana"
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:48:30 -0200
Subject: [Baren 33544] Prints
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Mike and others,
You have such large prints some of the times, do you find it hard to store them? What is it that you do? I have just small to medium size and they take up so much room. Any ideas for this type of management?
Cheers,
Robert Viana
http://www.robertviana.com
http://www.printmakers.info
http://www.handpulledprints.net
You have such large prints some of the times, do you find it hard to store them? What is it that you do? I have just small to medium size and they take up so much room. Any ideas for this type of management?
Cheers,
Robert Viana
http://www.robertviana.com
http://www.printmakers.info
http://www.handpulledprints.net
Message 6
From: "Imin Yeh"
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:56:43 -0400
Subject: [Baren 33545] Along with Dave's color your own!.
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Hello everybody, I'm new to the forum. But i love Dave Bulls
color-your-own print! Interestingly enough, a few weeks ago i
created a Paint-By-Number Napa Cabbage print, in response to my 9
color reduction woodblock print I made of the Napa Cabbage. The
original print was turned into huge magnets..but I thought it would be
fun to let people make their own.
Please feel free to sign on my site and download your own:
my site is:
www.iminyeh.com
the napa paint-by-number PDF is at:
http://iminyeh.com/drawings/paint_by_number.html
color-your-own print! Interestingly enough, a few weeks ago i
created a Paint-By-Number Napa Cabbage print, in response to my 9
color reduction woodblock print I made of the Napa Cabbage. The
original print was turned into huge magnets..but I thought it would be
fun to let people make their own.
Please feel free to sign on my site and download your own:
my site is:
www.iminyeh.com
the napa paint-by-number PDF is at:
http://iminyeh.com/drawings/paint_by_number.html
Message 7
From: "Mike Lyon"
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:20:57 -0500
Subject: [Baren 33546] RE: Prints
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I built a bunch'a shallow drawers for small to medium size prints -- inside
they're about 34 inches wide by 45 inches deep and 2 inches high. Plywood
bottoms held by slots cut all around inside of drawer prior to assembly --
they're glued and nailed together the usual way. These slide on angle iron
welded to make stacks on wheels. Two stacks get a top about 4 feet wide by
10 feet long and an inch and a half thick (three sheets of 3/4 inch plywood
overlapped and nailed and glued together make the top with some left over.
So I have two of these huge rolling tables in my studio, each equipped with
seven drawers per stack, so 28 drawers in all. That's a lot of print and
paper storage!
See photo at http://mlyon.com/news/drawers/drawer_web.jpg Not at all
sophisticated, these are very simple things and VERY useful.
Mike Lyon
Kansas City, MO
http://mlyon.com
they're about 34 inches wide by 45 inches deep and 2 inches high. Plywood
bottoms held by slots cut all around inside of drawer prior to assembly --
they're glued and nailed together the usual way. These slide on angle iron
welded to make stacks on wheels. Two stacks get a top about 4 feet wide by
10 feet long and an inch and a half thick (three sheets of 3/4 inch plywood
overlapped and nailed and glued together make the top with some left over.
So I have two of these huge rolling tables in my studio, each equipped with
seven drawers per stack, so 28 drawers in all. That's a lot of print and
paper storage!
See photo at http://mlyon.com/news/drawers/drawer_web.jpg Not at all
sophisticated, these are very simple things and VERY useful.
Mike Lyon
Kansas City, MO
http://mlyon.com
Message 8
From: David Harrison
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:11:24 +0100
Subject: [Baren 33547] Your Newsletter Needs YOU!
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Hello!
The new Baren-Suji site is up, running, and waiting for us to feed it
articles. The first issue will be later this year -- hopefully during the Summer.
Please let me know about your shows and exhibitions, new exchanges, and any
other event of interest to Bareners. Reviews of books, shows and websites are
just as welcome. You might like to profile the work of a Baren member or other
printmaker. Maybe there is a great printmaker's resource such as a library,
museum or gallery in your community. Many of you share knowledge and
techniques -- perhaps you could contribute a 'how-to'?
The new website has some nifty features including an events calendar and small
ads. Regular authors will be able to submit articles directly to the site.
Please think about what you'd like to be reading soon, then let me know. I
look forward to hearing from you! Please contact me off-list or via
newsletter_editor@barenforum.org .
Many thanks,
David Harrison
The new Baren-Suji site is up, running, and waiting for us to feed it
articles. The first issue will be later this year -- hopefully during the Summer.
Please let me know about your shows and exhibitions, new exchanges, and any
other event of interest to Bareners. Reviews of books, shows and websites are
just as welcome. You might like to profile the work of a Baren member or other
printmaker. Maybe there is a great printmaker's resource such as a library,
museum or gallery in your community. Many of you share knowledge and
techniques -- perhaps you could contribute a 'how-to'?
The new website has some nifty features including an events calendar and small
ads. Regular authors will be able to submit articles directly to the site.
Please think about what you'd like to be reading soon, then let me know. I
look forward to hearing from you! Please contact me off-list or via
newsletter_editor@barenforum.org .
Many thanks,
David Harrison
Message 9
From: Blog Manager
Date: 6 Jun 2007 03:55:15 -0000
Subject: [Baren 33548] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification
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This is an automatic update message being sent to [Baren] by the forum blog software.
The following new entries were found on the listed printmaker's websites during the past 24 hours. (33 sites checked, five minutes before midnight Eastern time)
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Site Name: Woodblock RoundTable
Author: Dave Bull
Item: [River in Summer - 18] - Impressions 13~16
http://woodblock.com/roundtable/archives/2007/06/river_in_summer_18.html
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Site Name: Woodblock Dreams
Author: Annie B
Item: I Love Cheap Paper
http://woodblockdreams.blogspot.com/2007/06/i-love-cheap-paper.html
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Site Name: m.Lee Fine Art
Author: m.Lee
Item: Maeby Cockroaching Originally uploaded by ...
http://mleeprints.blogspot.com/2007/06/it-hot-again.html
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Site Name: Belinda Del Pesco Fine Art Blog
Author: Belinda Del Pesco
Item: Watercolor: Napping Armenian Girl
http://belindadelpesco.blogspot.com/2007/06/watercolor-napping-armenian-girl.html
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http://pressing-issues.blogspot.com
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http://readdevine.blogspot.com
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http://vizart.blogspot.com
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http://amymstoner.blogspot.com
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http://curiousmatthew.blogspot.com
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http://azuregrackle.com/blogs/index.php?blog=2
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http://bea-gold-retrospective.blogspot.com
http://www.jauntyrakes.blogspot.com
http://sheiko.blogspot.com
http://studio-window.blogspot.com
The following new entries were found on the listed printmaker's websites during the past 24 hours. (33 sites checked, five minutes before midnight Eastern time)
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Site Name: Woodblock RoundTable
Author: Dave Bull
Item: [River in Summer - 18] - Impressions 13~16
http://woodblock.com/roundtable/archives/2007/06/river_in_summer_18.html
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Site Name: Woodblock Dreams
Author: Annie B
Item: I Love Cheap Paper
http://woodblockdreams.blogspot.com/2007/06/i-love-cheap-paper.html
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Site Name: m.Lee Fine Art
Author: m.Lee
Item: Maeby Cockroaching Originally uploaded by ...
http://mleeprints.blogspot.com/2007/06/it-hot-again.html
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Site Name: Belinda Del Pesco Fine Art Blog
Author: Belinda Del Pesco
Item: Watercolor: Napping Armenian Girl
http://belindadelpesco.blogspot.com/2007/06/watercolor-napping-armenian-girl.html
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http://woodblock.com/roundtable
http://woodblockdreams.blogspot.com
http://studiodiary.blogspot.com
http://larimerart.blogspot.com
http://artflights.blogspot.com
http://printmakersmaterials.blogspot.com
http://mlyon.com/blog
http://room535.blogspot.com
http://mleeprints.blogspot.com
http://snowgum.blogspot.com
http://onthisblock.blogspot.com
http://pressing-issues.blogspot.com
http://www.1000woodcuts.com
http://theitinerantartist.blogspot.com
http://PLawing-Printmaker.blogspot.com
http://readdevine.blogspot.com
http://mokuhankan.com/conversations
http://mokuhankan.com
http://belindadelpesco.blogspot.com
http://vizart.blogspot.com
http://phare-camp.blogspot.com
http://amymstoner.blogspot.com
http://williamleeholtfineart.blogspot.com
http://web.mac.com/g_wohlken/iWeb/Site/Blog/Blog.html
http://curiousmatthew.blogspot.com
http://laine.lainegreenway.com/index.html
http://azuregrackle.com/blogs/index.php?blog=2
http://blog.olansa.co.uk/
http://bea-gold-retrospective.blogspot.com
http://www.jauntyrakes.blogspot.com
http://sheiko.blogspot.com
http://studio-window.blogspot.com