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Message 1
From: Mike Lyon
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:15:18 -0600
Subject: [Baren 29245] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V33 #3255 (Nov 11, 2005)
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Rob wrote:
>Last night I used pre-made pigments. I am going to shift to dry
>pigments now with a rice starch recipe from Barens.
>I have checked all over the place for rice flour and I can not find
>it in any of our larger grocery store. Do I have to go to a health food store?
>Can any of you point me in the right direction?

'Rice Starch' and 'Methyl Cellulose' are both far superior to 'rice
flour', and although you CAN get the starch from rice flour it's not
worth the effort (IMHO)... Go to the archival materials section of
your local art supply store to buy rice starch or methyl cellulose in
dry powder form and prepare according to package directions, or order
by mail from a number of suppliers. Think of these as 'retardants'
and 'vehicles' for your pigments and you won't be far off the mark.

You can get fine (but more costly) results using prepared water
colors. 'Pigment suspensions' are easier and safer to use than dry
pigments (inhalation hazard with most dry pigments). Pure pigments
(dry pigment or pigment suspension) in water without paste tend to
produce a granular sort of texture when printed. Adding paste
smooths the printed color. 'Too much' paste prints your brush marks as well.

Sounds like you're off to a strong start just 'getting' the
registration working! Congratulations!

-- Mike


Mike Lyon
Kansas City, Missouri
http://mlyon.com

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Message 2
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:48:30 -0800
Subject: [Baren 29246] Re: Gyotaku-Japaneese Fish Printing
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Check out the Nature Printing Society:


www.natureprintingsociety.info

We print fish, squid, crabs, and a whole lot more ... workshops, exhibits,
etc. ... Just a little plug ...

Cheers ....... Charles

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Message 3
From: ArtfulCarol # aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:08:07 EST
Subject: [Baren 29247] Re: Gyotaku-Japaneese Fish Printing
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Thank you.!
I got my daily dose of Nirvana from Lori's fish prints and Jim Larimer's
prints , too.
A few days ago it was Dave's link that gave the pleasure.
Pure joy!
Carol Lyons
Irvington, NY

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Message 4
From: "Bea Gold"
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:10:50 -0800
Subject: [Baren 29248] Re: Gyotaku-Japaneese Fish Printing
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Thanks Charles, What a treat. Bea gold

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Message 5
From: "robert"
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:32:29 +0000
Subject: [Baren 29249] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V33 #3258 (Nov 14, 2005)
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Ok everyone!
Here is the link to my first attempt at Moku Hanga! I pulled about 25 and these were the best so far. I have a long way to go. I am having such a great time!
http://www.robertviana.com/rudy-wood.htm
Cheers,
Rob

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Message 6
From: tfl4467 # blackfoot.net
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:39:49 -0700
Subject: [Baren 29250] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V33 #3258 (Nov 14, 2005)
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Congratulations Robert, this little guy is terrific! I'm glad you are having a great time while you study this medium. I'm so pleased that our members share
their work and as well as links to other artists too.
Mindy Wilson

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Message 7
From: Diane Cutter
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:59:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 29251] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V33 #3258 (Nov 14, 2005)
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Amazing!!! I only hope my first attempt will be as wonderful as this... What character that little dog has!

Diane
www.dianecutter.com

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Message 8
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:39:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 29252] Re: Gyotaku-Japaneese Fish Printing
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Jim,
this has been around a really long time and I use this process with kids a lot...but we use rubber fish! We get them from NASCO, I think they have an online catalog. It is so easy with the rubber fish...no smell and you just wash them off and print them again..there are about 10 different fish to chose from, also a stingray, a turtle and starfish. The turtle doesn't work very well, it is too thick. My favorite ink for this is the Monotype ink from Createx, it is watersoluble and good colors and washes right off the fish. Sumi paper works great for this, but we usually use newsprint due to cost and the amount of kids that make prints when we do art fairs.
Best to all,
Barbara

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Message 9
From: Dayadevi Heart-Catterall
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:58:38 -0800
Subject: [Baren 29253] paste
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Good morning Robert and Charles

I would NOT use rice flour! Start by boiling the heck out of some
short grain white rice with lots of water. You'll get all the paste
you want. I run mine thru a strainer first and refrig. what i am not
using and it keeps and keeps.......... and cant get cheaper than a cup
of white rice! It is what was used in old time book binding.

Peace Love and Blessings
dayadevi#dayadevi.com
www.dayadevi.com
artist-trading-cards-information@yahoogroups.com
Carlton, Or 97111(rollin ~~ tole-in down the road in a 40' tin box,
lovin' it!) Lakehead, California

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Message 10
From: Ragtaghorde # cs.com
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:14:31 EST
Subject: [Baren 29254] Rob's Rudy
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Oh, these are *wonderful*, Rob! Really nice to see work that is technically
and artistically good, but also captures the subject's personality and
charm...

Dogs Rule!

Annie F.

Annie Fitt
& the Ragtag Horde ~ Whippets of Mass Destruction!
Wake, Virginia

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Message 11
From: Wanda Robertson
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:36:43 -0800
Subject: [Baren 29255] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V33 #3257 (Nov 13, 2005)
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Great print, Robert! And great that you are having fun! I don't know
about the TEKNOBOND powder -
but your print looks wonderful, so you may have found something new &
easy to use. I use methyl cellulose
& the main reason I like it - mice & bugs aren't attracted to it like
rice paste!

Wanda

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Message 12
From: Dan Dew
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:53:54 -0500
Subject: [Baren 29256] Casien Ink
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Would this stuff work for Hanga?

just curious, looks like it might without paste.

Shiva Signa-sein Casein Starter Set

Casein is made from soured skim milk. The curd is separated from the
whey, dried and cleaned. When the dried curd is powdered and mixed
with water and an ammonium compound, it creates a lovely binder for
artist's pigment. Shiva is one of the few manufacturers in the world
still making this time-honored painting medium. Caseins may be used
to successfully produce a painting with the transparency of a
watercolor, the smooth opaque of tempera and gouache, the heavily-
textured opaques of acrylics and oils, and everything in between. All
Shiva Casein Paints are chemically-pure pigments and are permanent to
light, gases, alkalis and acids. They may be applied on almost any
grease-free surface. Casein is fast drying, and while remaining water-
soluble in the short term eventually dries permanent to a hard, matte
finish which can be varnished.

6-Tube Set — Six 37 ml (1.25 oz) tubes, including Ivory Black,
Titanium White, Cadmium Yellow Light, Cadmium Red Extra Scarlet,
Shiva Green (Phthalo), and Ultramarine Blue Deep.


Daniel L. Dew

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Message 13
From: Julio.Rodriguez # walgreens.com
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:08:53 -0600
Subject: [Baren 29257] Re: Japanese Maple & Geisha prints......
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For those of us starting out with moku-hanga and thinking that the
traditional japanese process with it's rice paste, barens, etc. is too
demanding and not rewarding enough ($$$$)....here is a print to look
at....twenty-three color impressions .....check out the asking price !
This edition was actually printed by Yasuyuki Shigata under the
supervision of the artist. Click on the image to see the other works done
by Pace Prints like "Japanese Maple".

http://www.paceprints.com/printshop/FeaturedPrints/Frankenthaler-2025.asp

http://www.paceprints.com/artistportfolio/artistportfolio.asp?aID=121&UID=2277&offset=

By the way, I read somewhere that Frankenthaler (the artist) was having
health problems..does anybody know ?

thanks....Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois)

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