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Message 1
From: Shireen Holman
Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 10:31:59 -0400
Subject: [Baren 27956] Re: western woodcuts at auction
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This is an amazing collection. I was wondering about the ones by Robert
Hainard. They don't look like woodcuts - does anyone know how they were made?
Shireen

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Message 2
From: Robin Morris
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 07:33:36 -0700
Subject: [Baren 27957] Re: western woodcuts at auction
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Whoa again!

thanks for the link yourself, Dave! A lot less clicking around, eh?
Cool...

RM

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Message 3
From: "Sales"
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:09:36 -0500
Subject: [Baren 27958] RE: Baren Digest (old) V31 #3060
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>Why not try the empty tubes from Graphic Chemical? We sell a lot of them
>to people using them just as Charles has mentioned, but I agree with
>John - the cartridges are the best buy. By the way, when you are filling
>the tubes...lay the ink out on a skin paper, then roll the skin paper up
>and slip it into the tube. No mess and no danger (as with plastic tubes)
>of the tube "breathing and allowing air into the container.
>
>Dean

I buy refillable plastic tubes with a screw-on cap at camping supply
stores
... made for margarine, peanut butter, and similar stuff ... they are
made
to be filled from the rear and then rolled up, folded over, and sealed
with
a little plastic thingie. I put the ink from the cans in the plastic
tubes.
That way you get the bulk price of the can but the convenience of the
tube.
Just squeeze out what you need ... be sure to squeeze out any air before

you re-cap the tube. Bit messy when filling the tubes, but just wear
gloves
and use a putty knife or something similar. Easy ......

Cheers ...... Charles

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Message 4
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:22:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 27959] ink in tubes
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Dean,
This is such a good idea, I just could not imagine getting the ink into the tube with the mess it would make, but the skin paper would sure work. I still use the 1 pound cans and just don't seem to have any problems with the ink skinning over badly, I always use a fresh ink paper and make sure the top is flat and smooth and the paper is making really good contact with the ink. The idea of vaseline is good, I have used the ink skin spray for this and it also works. Think over years vaseline might work better. Even cans of colored ink I have had for several years don't seem to be too bad, I lose a bit off the top, but not much and am able to salvage almost all of it. If you take your lumpy ink and put it into the middle of a 10" square of tarlaton and then pull up the edges and start twising the ink toward the center and through the starched cloth, you can get almost all of the little junk out of the ink. It is sort of like straining it and I have been doing this for a long time when
I have needed to. Use a palet knife to help push the ink out, just push down on the ink ball and keep twisting the ends, it will squeeze it all out if you are patient. And you will have almost new ink.

If course I am using a lot of ink lately and find my local art supply store is carrying Graphic Chemical #514 black etching ink....what a treat to be able to just go and buy it off the shelf. Those of you in Chicago are lucky to be able to go to Graphic. The rest of us are jealous! The printmaking supplies available locally in most cities is just laughable. Thank goodness for mail order!
Best to all,
Barbara

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Message 5
From: Aon97 # aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:34:20 EDT
Subject: [Baren 27960] Re: digital prints
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Shireen wrote:

> It seems people are so
> crazy about his paintings that they buy digital reproductions, which are
> printed in limited editions and sold for $20,000. These are digital prints
> (not made by him), which are reproductions of paintings (also not made by
> him)! He apparently has assistants to do all his work for him.

And as the old joke goes, how does he sleep at night?

On a mattress full of money.

But...is he HAPPY?
-Jeff

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Message 6
From: Aon97 # aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:52:06 EDT
Subject: [Baren 27961] Re: Editioning question
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tyrus wrote:

> I printed up my Exchange #24 edition in a smaller amount because I had to
> get them done. I want to do more later but I suspect it will be on a
> different paper. I know the color will be slightly different, it will have
> some alterations in the blocks, too. I do want to title it the same.
>
> Do I need to designate that this is state #2, and if so, how do I mark that
> on the print?

You know, Since this was discussed a few weeks ago, I've started to form a
whole new philosphy, particularly after reading David Bull's "At the Gallery"
piece http://www.woodblock.com/surimono/atgallery01.html Reading that made me
wonder: who is making up the rules we blindly follow? And if these rules are
so important, why are there so many deviations? I say, follow your heart and
ask yourself a very important question: "What is important to me?" If you were
buying a print, would you care about numbering? If so, number, if not, don't.
Would you care if the colors were different? If yes, make it Edition II. If
not, don't. This philosophy works in pricing, too. Would I buy my print for $60,
or $20? Would you rather scan a print and have an inkjet printer spit out
your edition for you to sell at 20K a sheet, or would you rather get $30 for
something you really worked for? Whatever the individual artist chooses to do,
that is his or her choice, and if it works for them, fine.

After all, drawing on the "At the Gallery" piece, if you make one print and
hang it up and love it, THAT is art. Additional copies offered for sale are
commodity. If you know what your customers want, act accordingly; if not, please
yourself.
Jeff

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Message 7
From: slinders # comcast.net
Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 12:01:20 -0500
Subject: [Baren 27962] Re: ink in tubes/ Chicago
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Hi, Everyone!

I'll just add a bit to the discussion of ink in tubes. Get a
box of 'duplex nails' at the hardware store. One nail per tube
of ink acts well as a stopper, and is easy to remove to reopen
the tube.

If you have the opportunity to visit Graphic, don't miss the
wonderful prints that cover the walls! It's quite a collection
that has been developed over many years!

Also in Chicago you'll want to visit Aiko's Papers on Clark.

Right now there are some extraordinary print exhibits in Chicago:



hosting the
"Printmakers Ball Auction" tonight.

There's a wonderful exhibit of American Art...with some
paintings that haven't been on exhibit for years, at the Art
Institute, with 'Toulouse-Lautrec and Montmartre' coming during
the summer

The City is beautiful! Come visit!

Best wishes,
Sharen

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Message 8
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 10:12:42 -0700
Subject: [Baren 27963] Re: Baren Digest (old) V31 #3060
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Dean wrote:
>Why not try the empty tubes from Graphic Chemical? We sell a lot of them
>to people using them just as Charles has mentioned, but I agree with
>John - the cartridges are the best buy.

Couldn't find them on your web site. Looked under "inks", "containers", and
did a search on "tubes", but had no luck ... maybe I am "optically
challenged". Where are they?

It sure is easier just to go to the local store and buy what I need when I
need it. How do your prices compare to the camping tubes?

>By the way, when you are filling
>the tubes...lay the ink out on a skin paper, then roll the skin paper up
>and slip it into the tube. No mess and no danger (as with plastic tubes)
>of the tube "breathing and allowing air into the container.

You could use the skin paper trick with the plastic tubes as well, if you
are concerned about the mess. Personally, I do not find loading the tubes
to be a big problem, so I do not bother with it ... I do not want anything
in the tube that is likely to clog the opening.

The plastic does not "breathe" ... that is not how air gets in. If you
press ink out of the tube, you want to be sure to keep the ink left in the
tube right at the mouth as you cap it. Try it with your your plastic
toothpaste tube and you will see what I mean. Or if you ever buy Speedball
inks in plastic tubes, you will understand.

Plastic tubes make it easier to knead the contents if you get any
carrier/pigment separation.

With plastic tubes you can tell the color at a glance.

You can use the plastic tubes over and over again.

Cheers ...... Charles

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Message 9
From: Wanda Robertson
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 11:26:27 -0700
Subject: [Baren 27964] Re: trying to unsub
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Anyone else having this problem? You unsubscribe the same way you
subscribed - go to:
http://www.barenforum.org/
and follow the directions from there. Any problems? Contact me at:
moderator@barenforum.org
As far as I know it's working, but I'll check right now. Sorry you had
problems Gabrielle. Also, you might want to check the archives for
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quite often.

Wanda
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Message 10
From: Wanda Robertson
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 11:37:09 -0700
Subject: [Baren 27965] Re: trying to unsub
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>Hmmmm...the moderator address does not seem to be working right now -
sorry about that! Will do some more investigating - meanwhile you can
just use my personal address:

Wanda

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Message 11
From: Wanda Robertson
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:45:28 -0700
Subject: [Baren 27966] Re: western woodcuts at auction
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Thanks to you Mike for these links & thanks to Dave for the"Pagesucker"
recommendation. We can have these on file to look at whenever we want!

Wanda

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Message 12
From: ArtfulCarol # aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 16:13:10 EDT
Subject: [Baren 27967] Re: Editioning question and more
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Jeff:
I agree and follow everything you said. It works for me. There is no hanga
police. As long as you don't lie, cheat, or beat the significant other, the
sky's the limit on creativity.

My first art experiments are called "Risk-it!".

Some curators' comments which validated that approach
"You don't have to tell me how you do this. We want
it."
"I have to ask you one question for our records--
'What is your date of birth'?"
" Too advanced for Connecticut"
and more, but that is enough.
Do your thing and enjoy the experience.

Carol Lyons
_http://www.rst-art.com/artfulcarol.htm_
(http://www.rst-art.com/artfulcarol.htm)

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