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Message 1
From: Ray Hudson
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:53:51 -0500
Subject: [Baren 26520] line drawing & Rooster card
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Mike,
What an extraordinary process! Wonderful work!
And, Tom, your year of the Rooster arrived without fries or mashed
potatoes, but I haven't had such a good laugh in ages!
A great way to start this next cycle of Chinese New Year cards!
Ray Hudson

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Message 2
From: Laughing Crow Studio
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:15:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 26521] Fwd: Barens from the mall
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I am wanting to order a Baren for printing western-style, oil-based
inks,on thicker papers. Has anyone tried the Korokoro yet? (I have
tried a ball-bearing one in the past and liked it, but am currently using
a press.) Any other recommendations?

thanks,

Lezle Williams
Albuquerque, NM

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Message 3
From: Mike Lyon
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:30:00 -0600
Subject: [Baren 26522] Re: Fwd: Barens from the mall
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Dear Lezle,

I have a Korokoro Baren from
http://www.barenforum.org/mall/products/barens.php (Baren Mall) and I like
it... Should work well for oil-based work (although I have not used it for
oily) -- it's noisy but strong...

Mike


Mike Lyon
Kansas City, Missouri
http://mlyon.com

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Message 4
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:02:01 -0800
Subject: [Baren 26523] RE: Baren Digest (old) V29 #2871
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Mike this is way fun to watch. How exciting for you. I do not mind it a
bit off topic at all, it is still about art!
Okay a question?? Marco said the chinese powdered pigments are not light
fast. Are those the pigments that the Baren Mall sells? Because that is
what I bought to bring to Baja. Packing space was tight and we will fly
home so i felt it would be the most efficient way to take my pigments. so
now I have to worry that my prints will fade away in the sun light?
Another question. Has anyone ever used regular oil paint to do either wood
or lino blocks? If so would there be a special additive i should use to
make it work? I can not buy print inks here. And only brought along one jar
of black etching ink. I can't take it home so did not want to bring and
leave it because of the heat here in the summer.
Marilynn

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Message 5
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:17:39 -0800
Subject: [Baren 26524] Re: Baren Digest (old) V29 #2871
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Marilynn,

I have used Water Soluble Oil Colors for wood block and for lino block. It
works well, and cleanup is very easy. And the range of colors is great. I
thin with the water soluble linseed oil sold by the manufacturer of the oil
colors. The only problem is that it dries more quickly than regular oily
inks, so you may have to clean the block and start over on a big print run.

Cheers .... Charles

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Message 6
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:19:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 26525] Re: Fwd: Barens from the mall
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Lezle,
Maria likes the wooden cabinet knobs she uses very much and I really like a wooden spoon but it does make my hand a bit sore. I start in the middle and work toward the edges. I use a fairly soft ink...that is, I am using litho ink which is already sticky and adding a little setswell...the paper does seem to stick where you put it. A stiffer ink might allow the paper to move around on you but will not fill in any lines...sort of a trade off.
Best to you,
Barbara

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Message 7
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:36:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 26526] Re: Baren Digest (old) V29 #2871
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Marilynn,
Pigment is pigment, it is all the same although what looks the same color may come from a different source...some is more lightfast than others, you have to test it in the sun. But the best way is not to hang artwork in direct sun or in lots and lots of light. Anything will eventually fade if exposed to enough strong light. This is why prints are stored in boxed and albums. Or that is what we tell ourselves, we do not mention people did not think them worth hanging on their walls.

Oil paint will work for printmaking but it is an expensive way to get ink....and it is not made to be kind to paper. The linseed oil is not refined enough and will eventually damage the paper. The linseed oil in etching ink has been cooked or refined more. So I guess it depends on how long you want it to last....I think it would be better to use watercolor than oil paint...at least it will not damage the paper.
Have a great time in all that sun!
Best to you,
Barbara

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Message 8
From: "Bea Gold"
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:38:51 -0800
Subject: [Baren 26527] Re: Fwd: Barens from the mall
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I use the Korokoro and like it a lot. Bea Gold

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Message 9
From: FurryPressII # aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:43:18 EST
Subject: [Baren 26528] Re: Baren Digest (old) V29 #2871
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oil paint is the wrong thing to use for oil based printing ink

The chinese rubbing tool or a wooden spoon work better for hand printing
oil based ink. The reason being you need more pressure to print oil based ink
than in japanese method.

Although I have not printed by hand since i got my trusty vandercook.

john center

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Message 10
From: Robin Morris
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:17:05 -0800
Subject: [Baren 26529] Re: ball point pen drawing
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Sounds cool alright- Mike, next time leave a note for the janitor to
leave the light on! (It's off as of 9 pm PST)...
or- if ya set up a small lamp perhaps? With a "Leave me on" sign?

Looks like Thursday is Asian Art Museum day for me- Marco,
what's the setup there? Are you mixing ink, carving etc all in a day,
or....
There was something about making ones own prints. Should I bring any
wood, or knives etc, and expect to find room and time to learn a bit?
Anyway I'm really looking forward to it.
Carol, how was your visit Saturday?
I'll write about my visit to Marco and Tetsuya Noda's show next weekend.

Robin

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