Today's postings
- [Baren 26119] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V28 #2805 (Sep 29, 2004) (DAHeyman # aol.com)
- [Baren 26120] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V28 #2805 (Sep 29, 2004) (Mike Lyon)
- [Baren 26121] Re: Political Agenda Print exchange first prints in! (Aqua4tis # aol.com)
Message 1
From: DAHeyman # aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:17:06 EDT
Subject: [Baren 26119] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V28 #2805 (Sep 29, 2004)
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Ok, ok, so I have been scolded! And I guess I am still on the list, which is
a good thing. So now I have a question about printing -- my students have a
hard time getting an even print -- their printing very often is spotted, "goma"
or sesame technique. I keep telling them they have too much water, not
enough nori, and need to reduce the wetness... Any other suggestions? Could it be
the cheap proofing paper? We are using shin torinoko.
Awaiting your answers,
Daniel in Philly
a good thing. So now I have a question about printing -- my students have a
hard time getting an even print -- their printing very often is spotted, "goma"
or sesame technique. I keep telling them they have too much water, not
enough nori, and need to reduce the wetness... Any other suggestions? Could it be
the cheap proofing paper? We are using shin torinoko.
Awaiting your answers,
Daniel in Philly
Message 2
From: Mike Lyon
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:42:16 -0500
Subject: [Baren 26120] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V28 #2805 (Sep 29, 2004)
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Daniel wrote:
>- my students have a hard time getting an even print -- their printing
>very often is spotted, "goma" or sesame technique. I keep telling them
>they have too much water, not enough nori, and need to reduce the
>wetness... Any other suggestions? Could it be the cheap proofing paper? We
>are using shin torinoko.
'Big' goma can be intentional, too... Just as you suggested, produce it
without paste -- produce BIG goma without paste and with 'wetter' block,
wetter pigment. Tiny goma made with little or no paste, printing very dry
and many such over-printings. Sometimes coarse paper texture simulates
goma where thinner spots don't print as heavily as thicker spots. Lighter
touch with baren more likely to produce goma-like effects than
heavier. Students can easily find out effects of paste by first printing a
larger area with pigment and water only (no paste or other binder /
dispersant) -- this reliably produces pronounced goma. Then print with
LOTS of paste (so brush is immediately charged with sufficient or excess
paste) which reliably produces no goma and pronounced brush marks. I
believe that Shin Torinoko can be printed very smoothly, and you should be
able to demonstrate this for students who are having problems using their
own pigment/paste/brush/block -- seeing is usually believing!
Mike
Mike Lyon
Kansas City, Missouri
http://mlyon.com
>- my students have a hard time getting an even print -- their printing
>very often is spotted, "goma" or sesame technique. I keep telling them
>they have too much water, not enough nori, and need to reduce the
>wetness... Any other suggestions? Could it be the cheap proofing paper? We
>are using shin torinoko.
'Big' goma can be intentional, too... Just as you suggested, produce it
without paste -- produce BIG goma without paste and with 'wetter' block,
wetter pigment. Tiny goma made with little or no paste, printing very dry
and many such over-printings. Sometimes coarse paper texture simulates
goma where thinner spots don't print as heavily as thicker spots. Lighter
touch with baren more likely to produce goma-like effects than
heavier. Students can easily find out effects of paste by first printing a
larger area with pigment and water only (no paste or other binder /
dispersant) -- this reliably produces pronounced goma. Then print with
LOTS of paste (so brush is immediately charged with sufficient or excess
paste) which reliably produces no goma and pronounced brush marks. I
believe that Shin Torinoko can be printed very smoothly, and you should be
able to demonstrate this for students who are having problems using their
own pigment/paste/brush/block -- seeing is usually believing!
Mike
Mike Lyon
Kansas City, Missouri
http://mlyon.com
Message 3
From: Aqua4tis # aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:08:07 -0400
Subject: [Baren 26121] Re: Political Agenda Print exchange first prints in!
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what size paper etc????