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Message 1
From: Lana Lambert
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:10:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 25302] Re: nipping press
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Beautiful little press you've got there! I wish I
could make you an offer but the shipping would kill me
for sure! I have one that is larger and disassembled
in my studio. I'm looking for a sturdy table that I
can put it on but finding such a piece of furniture
has proven elusive. They just don't make'm like they
used to.

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Message 2
From: Lana Lambert
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:31:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 25303] Fwd: FW: From my friend Sam's website:
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Note: Message was a forward, accidentally sent, and not intended for Baren

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Message 3
From: Lana Lambert
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:47:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 25304] Re: Fwd: FW: From my friend Sam's website:
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AAAAAAHHHH! Stupid revamped yahoo email! Sorry for
the unwanted post. I edited out the email addresses I
didn't want the email to go to but for some reason it
sent it to everyone. To those of you who were
annoyed, my sincerest apologies. To those who thought
it was funny, cute huh? Anyways, this shouldn't
happen again. I wrote yahoo previously to gliches of
this kind. They recently changed the format of their
email system. Needless to say, I am NOT impressed.

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Message 4
From: Aqua4tis # aol.com
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:37:11 EDT
Subject: [Baren 25305] after five?????
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im not getting any after 5 emails either and im signed up for it i used
to get them i just thought no one was posting to it what can i do?
georga

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Message 5
From: Bette Norcross Wappner
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:44:57 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25306] Re: after five?????
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georga,

here's the link to go in and sign up again. see you in After 5!
http://www.barenforum.org/subscribing.html

bette.

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Message 6
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:22:28 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25307] Re: Art and Politics
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My Haiku print is proving interesting. The plates are carved ummm. But I
got the one backwards, for my emboss ooops. But I can work that out
anyway, just a little more trouble. And funny thing about one area, it just
was not taking the ink???? Husband thinks maybe he planed it a little
different, but we both like the look of it so it stays. Part of the hand
done process. But I am noticing as I "warm up" these plates it is
accepting the ink better, so maybe it just needs a little coaxing. Today is
a play day, weather here in the high 80's, wow!! Happy northern beach day.
Jeanne sorry about my thoughts on your problem. Guess those more
experienced ones truly know best and i should learn when to keep my mouth
shut and listen.
OH OH I LOVE MY NEW BALL BEARING BAREN. This works so much easier and
better. Now I know what I had before was indeed bad. But the paper does
slip a little when using it. I just hold down a corner with my finger and
it stays put. With little pressure and a few strokes i am getting much
better more even color dispersion. It is true a good tool makes a big
difference.
As for watercolor Jeanne go for it girl. I am beginning to love doing
hanga. Before it was the carving part I loved, now I am loving the printing
part. For a painter pigment should be a fun part. I love mixing my colors
and spreading them on a plate and watching that design emerge. It is way
different in water media than in oil. I know you can layer colors in oil by
making them transparent, but in watercolor you already have that lovely
transparency at your finger tips. It is softer and I think you can do more
with it once you learn how. Learning Hanga is worth the effort. I have a
lot more to learn. I really want to get into more color overlays and
combine reduction with multi block printmaking. Guess I am a convert,
woodcuts and water. wow, it is really happening to me.
Marilynn

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Message 7
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:40:35 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25308] Re: Oil paint on Surface
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Jeanne,
If I understand you correctly you are using the same paper and the same
ink, not one ink over another? Are you certain you are using the same
side of the paper each time? That probably sounds funny, but I have
had that problem when I wasn't careful to put the paper right side up
in the stack. Every once in a while I would get a piece that just
wouldn't print, but they were tear downs of the same sheet. Aha! Paper
upside down. Barbara prefers Setswell, but I've had problems with it
and have been much happier using Gel Reducer. It makes the ink looser
and more transparent and doesn't do any of the bad things. Or, at
least it hasn't for me, and sometimes I use quite a lot of it :-)
Also, I prefer damp paper because I don't like that look of the ink
sitting up on top of the paper. Hope you find the solution to all
life's persistent questions and will leap into this watercolor thing
soon - it really is a lot of fun.

Happy Printing,
Sharri

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Message 8
From: Jeanne Norman Chase
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:42:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 25309] Re: Haiku and hanga
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Marilynn

When you say you "warm up" the plates. Do you mean that you warm up the wooden plates on an electric plate?

The trouble with me and water color (hanga printmaking) is , the fact that I worry I will not get the print done in time as it is a new, more involved process and I can get an oil based print done so much faster. I have my print all carved on shina plywood and I am thinking that I will carve another just like it, run it in oils and then if I have time do the other in water color.

Is the ball bearing baren really that much better than the others. I usually use a covered baren (the $30) one and then have to use a spoon also to get the image onto the paper. I am talking about oil based ink.

About 5 months ago I tried a hanga print and when I got to spritzing the paper and putting it into a plastic bag, the paper got bent, could not get it into the bag properly. The next day it was all a mess and I gave up. Patience is usually my middle name (see my drawings) so I guess this time it eluded me.

Thanks for the reply. I find my Baren friends are always so cooperative.

Jeanne N.

PS. Now for After Five and a lemonade. See you there.

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Message 9
From: Aqua4tis # aol.com
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:53:36 EDT
Subject: [Baren 25310] Re: after five?????
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In a message dated 6/18/2004 8:47:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bettewappner@fuse.net writes:
http://www.barenforum.org/subscribing.html
thanks bette :-)

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Message 10
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:36:04 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25311] Re: Haiku and hanga
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Jeanne,
No no no heat. It is a phrase i guess for getting the plate to start to
accept the ink. It seems in the water media more than in the oil media it
takes a bit for the plate to get fully loaded and working, I call it warming
up the plate.



Yes do take time. This stuff is hard and me i am really still a beginner
but the more you print the more you learn. Even when I make a mess I learn.
I carved a whole plate wrong for this hanga exchange oops, but it was
carving and carving is learning. so is printing. But I am having a ball.
And this is my first multi plate print to carve and run with no one there to
help me, so really I am just excited to have it working at all.



Oh my you are working yourself to death. But do not invest in this over a
hundred dollar baren until you are ready. And you are really a better
printmaker than I am. I am just loving learning this and this tool made it
easier for me. I am sure this is for me, do not spend it if you are not
sure and not ready. Play with what you have until then. I got so
frustrated with my Baren in Mexico , trying to get the deeper color and
smoother color. This is worth it for me. I am a watercolor person and i
really want this medium to work for me, I will make it happen!!!



Were you there at the summit to learn how to do paper?? Marco Favio taught
me. Oh and a wonderful follow up by Mike Lyon. He took the paper and a
brush and brushed every third sheet with water, than put it in a blotter,
spritzed the blotter, and than into a plastic bag to sit overnight. You
learn that it is damp through but not wet, there is a feel to it.

This is hard stuff to learn and the more you talk about it the more ways
there are to do things. Jeanne you do fabulous work, I can't begin to keep
up with you , that is why I encourage you so much. Oh and my prints are not
done, I may run into a ton of problems and go back to an oil print myself.
You are doing great.
Am looking forward to seeing your haiku print.
Marilynn

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