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Message 1
From: b.patera # att.net
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:36:00 +0000
Subject: [Baren 25248] Re: art and politics
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Matt Laine wrote:
> We are a free country and wish to remain so -- and some degree of vigilance
> is called for to protect that freedom.

Matt, John,

How true.....to protect our freedoms some degree of vigilance is called for. However, it works both ways.

Anyway, I thank Myron for letting us know about this situation. That old saw, 'ignorance is bliss', is such a crock.

Barbara Patera

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Message 2
From: b.patera # att.net
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:48:26 +0000
Subject: [Baren 25249] art and politics... oops
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Sorry to post again but it seems my thanks for information should go to Charles and his letter from Betty S. Thanks!

B.P.

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Message 3
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:13:45 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25250] Re: Art & Politics
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WARNING: This first paragraph contains a political viewpoint. If you
do not wish to read it, skip to paragraph 2.

This is an area we all need to be aware of regardless of which side of
the aisle we sit on. We need to know what is happening to others, we
could innocently be the next in line. This case has all the footprints
of the gestapo, as did the OR lawyers predicament, which should scare
the begeebies out of at least one of the forum members. As for whether
or not the FBI's action is justified, I believe artists have
historically had a responsibility to tell the truth and more than one
has done so and sacrificed his own neck, which is why when a tyrannical
government comes to power the first thing they do is shut down the
artists: first the media then the intelligentsia. Many an artist has
spread the word about what was really happening through his visual
images - in our time it is most often through performance pieces. Our
freedom to speak, and to act, is imperiled today and this case is a
good example. It doesn't take a genius to discover that the people
involved are telling the truth: these are props and the bomb is a fake,
then back off.

Bobette, I hope you will reconsider - who will help Barbara and I keep
Wanda in line? (joke from the Baren Summitt - you shoulda been there!)

To our newcomers, a big welcome. I am still using a really cheap set
of tools I bought 40 years ago - I think they were $4.95 at the local
art store. I've since invested in better tools, but find I am still
pulling these oldie but goodies out because they are so comfortable.
Like good friends. Personally, I would not invest in a lot of
expensive tools until I knew whether it was a medium in which I intend
to concentrate.

Cheers & happy printing,

Sharri

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Message 4
From: Lana Lambert
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:16:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 25251] Virginia area Bareners?
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This is just an open call for Virginia area Bareners
(if there are any) that my studio is ready and that if
anyone in my area would like to come and visit and
pour over technique or are signed up for exchange 21
and want to run an edition together then be my guest! :)

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Message 5
From: Wanda Robertson
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:08:15 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25252] Politics & art
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Hi everyone,

Just a reminder - we are here to discuss printmaking- not politics. We
have a wide diverse group of people from all over the world, and we
have resolved to keep politics out of the mix. I appreciate everyone's
views, but you won't be able to change mine on *this* forum. So,
please leave the political discussions for another forum or discuss
them off the list.

Thank you all!

Wanda
Barenforum moderator

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Message 6
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:20:58 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25253] Re: japanese woodblock tools
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The brand name is Power Grip. I have the smaller set of 5. It comes with a
hanga to (spelling??), a mid size clearing tool, a v-guage, a small u-guage
and a mid size u-guage. The only thing I use a lot that it does not come
with is a small clearing chisel, which i use a lot for clearing out small
areas. As for big chisels, they get the job done faster but the mid size
one will do the job, just takes longer. I think the set ran around $30.00.
They also make a large set, not sure exactly what it has but I do know it
has a larger clearing chisel. As I said I got mine through wood crafters.

Udate for Bette. I am busily carving block 3 of 4 blocks for the exchange.

Please leave the politics out of our forum. I am sorry i responded at all.
Marilynn

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Message 7
From: "Paul Hamilton"
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:57:27 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25254] RE: removal
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Bobette McCarthy wrote:
>to whomever is in charge of baren mailing list
>(wanda, is it you??) please remove me from the list- i really really resent
>getting emails such as the ones i've gotten in the last couple of days- soapbox
>philosophy does not interest me at all!!! thanks-

me too please. thank you

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Message 8
From: michael schneider
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 21:18:36 +0200
Subject: [Baren 25255] Re: removal
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Paul Hamilton wrote:

> me too please. thank you

Bobette McCarthy wrote:
>to whomever is in charge of baren mailing
> list >(wanda, is it you??) please remove me from the list- i really
> really resent >getting emails such as the ones i've gotten in the last
> couple of days- soapbox >philosophy does not interest me at all!!!
> thanks- >bobette

Maybe I am not making friends here, but it seems that some remarks on
the ongoing discussion are needed. Printmaking is probably the most
political form of art. Every artist that is serious about his work and
decides to concentrate on printmaking has to be aware of that fact. This
does not mean that every print has to be political, but to deny that
political function and history is plain ignorance.
I am aware of the fact that artists are usually preoccupied with being
an individual and put emphasis on that. Even though solidarity is not
seen as a requirement for artists I strongly believe that there are
times and circumstances when we should not ignore what is going on
around us and respond accordingly.
I appreciate that nobody leaves the forum because of a topic that is
inherent to printmaking but because of some soapbox>philosophy.

michael
vienna / austria

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Message 9
From: Margaret Szvetecz
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:14:04 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Baren 25256] Re: Politics & art
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As an occasional poster and an occasional participant in the exchanges, I want to extend my support to our moderator. I think it is unrealistic to expect the Baren online forum to be all things to all participants, and I especially appreciate the fact that the Baren forum has a moderator.

Margaret Szvetecz
margarszv@earthlink.net

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Message 10
From: "Diane Cutter"
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 19:52:51 -0300
Subject: [Baren 25257] Re: Politics & art
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Thank you, Wanda. I am involved in politics elsewhere. However I subscribe
to baren because I want to know more about my craft of printmaking.
Diane...

www.dianecutter.com
www.artplaces.com/cutter/
www.eeag.org/dcutter/dcutter.html

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Message 11
From: "John Furr"
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:56:48 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25258] RE:Power grip carving tool
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Here is a link to the power grip set of tools from Lee valley tool... the
cheapest supplier out there I believe.

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?page=44106&category=1,130,43332,43334
&abspage=1&ccurrency=2&SID=

John F.
I wish I had some time to even carve anything....

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Message 12
From: juan
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:07:06 -0600
Subject: [Baren 25259] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V27 #2681 (Jun 12, 2004)
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Thanks Murilio. To anyone interested in participating in mail art calls,
please go:

http://www.boek861.com/

Lots of good stuff.




Juan Guerrero

Alternative e-mail:
2ojos@ozu.es
www.juanguerrero.tk

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Message 13
From: Salsbury
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 00:39:18 -0500
Subject: [Baren 25260] Permanent marker.
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Thanks for the response on removing the permanent marker. I was using a
Sharpie, and I am printing with oil based inks.

Obviously I am not a woodblock person. It never crossed my mind to just
sand the surface of the block. DUH!

Sue Salsbury

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Message 14
From: ArtfulCarol # aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 07:06:08 EDT
Subject: [Baren 25261] Re:Power grip carving tool
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In a message dated 6/12/2004 10:57:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jsfurr@rogers.com writes:

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?page=44106&category=1,130,43332,43334
&abspage=1&ccurrency=2&SID=
Hi,
Can someone tell me what you do with a "parting" tool and a "skew" tool
pictured in the above Lee Valley page?Thank you.

Carol Lyons
Irvington, NY

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Message 15
From: Myron Turner
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 07:18:10 -0500
Subject: [Baren 25262] Re:Power grip carving tool
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The parting tool is simply a v shaped tool, or "v-tool, which can be used
for making lines, cross-hatching. The lines tend to be crisper or sharper
than lines made with a gauge, and they are finer, since the v-tools used
for woodblocks are generally small sizes. You can usually recognize a line
made with a v-tool because it starts out as a point, widens out slightly,
then ends in a point.

I've personally never found much use in woodblocks for a skew tool.

Myron

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