Today's postings

  1. [Baren 40958] Paper Size and Image Size (Plannedscapes #
  2. [Baren 40959] paper size (Marilynn Smith)
  3. [Baren 40960] Paper Dimensions and other Exchange guidelines (Kristine Alder)
  4. [Baren 40961] Re: Paper Size and Image Size (Viza Arlington)
  5. [Baren 40962] Re: Paper Size and Image Size - Mats ("Ellen Shipley")
  6. [Baren 40963] Re: Exchanges & stuff (Julio.Rodriguez #
  7. [Baren 40964] Re: Exchanges & stuff (Barbara Mason)
  8. [Baren 40965] Re: Exchanges & stuff (l k)
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Message 1
From: Plannedscapes #
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:10:13 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40958] Paper Size and Image Size
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Oban is a great size for a map and 10x13 is not oban.
I am not intending to argue as I have my answer that I will definitely buy
new paper and use the correct size. However, now I have another 'rule' that
I am curious about. My understanding is that there is no restriction on
IMAGE size within the paper size. My experience is that a few participants print
edge to edge, filling the paper, and most print pretty much whatever size they
want, as determined by other factors. What factors? Aesthetics? Proportions
of the original photo used as inspiration? Leaving a certain margin on the paper,
so that the paper directly determines image proportion? Is there a standard
expectation that I have missed? What is the standard Japanese margin on
10" x 15" paper? To be frank, my dimensions have always been determined by
standard mat sizes. Gross commercial considerations. To avoid the cost of
custom cut matting. In order to make it affordable to mat and frame prints
for sale in the shop, my images are:
3 1/2" x 5 1/2" to fit a standard 4x6 mat (which is actually 3 3/4 x 5 3/4)
4 1/2" x 6 1/2" to fit a standard 5 x 7 mat
7 1/2" x 9 1/2" to fit a 8x10 mat
10 1/2" x 12 1/2" to fit 11x13
So for this paper size, I would have intended printed 7 1/2" x 9 1/2" on
10" x 13" paper before these answers and now, 7 1/2" x 9 1/2" on 10" x 15"
paper, to conform to the paper size rule. This floats my image on the
paper with 1 1/4" margins on the side and 2 3/4 margins top and bottom.
Is this not correct?

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Message 2
From: Marilynn Smith
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:54:22 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40959] paper size
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I do think a little off is not two inches. Taking it from 10x15 to
10x13 is definitely a huge change. I have been, say, a quarter of an
inch smaller, and that did not seem to be a big problem. (deckled edges
can be off like that) I set aside the small left over paper pieces for
other projects. In fact I believe my year of the ox print was done
from a paper that was sitting around leftover from another project. I
totally understand staying away from large paper size exchanges, I
have done so a lot in the past myself. There is the paper cost and
also for me there is traveling between two houses and here limited
space for work. There are some good "budget" papers out there as
well. Doing some small sized prints can be fun too and it sounds like
you would have a nice group of paper that might be excellent for
another project????? I agree that if we start with one person making
things a different size soon we will have all our exchanges accepting
anything in any size and that could get to be a real mess.

Take care, happy printing. Gayle keep the reminders coming. I hit
the send button with my last message and went OH NO I forgot to put in
a new subject, our brains will get trained I promise.

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Message 3
From: Kristine Alder
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 16:23:21 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40960] Paper Dimensions and other Exchange guidelines
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Dear Fellow Bareners--
There have recently been questions and comments addressing the paper sizes, and other general guidelines regarding our print exchanges. While there are many who have been members of Baren for years, we also have many newcomers who may not be as well informed. Reminders are good for all of us from time to time, so I am including a review of some of that information here.

Directly from the exchange page within the Baren site, we have the following:

"Each exchange has a specific paper size requirement; the exchanges are not random collections, but organized folios of prints. The prints must be the same size, both to allow proper packaging and storage, and for efficient exhibiting. Participants should read the instructions carefully and follow them exactly.
If prints vary from the published size requirement they will be returned to the sender using the enclosed return postage. If no postage was included, the prints will be held until it is received. "

Reminder: Three paper sizes rotate between two popular sizes-- oban and chuban--and "other," which provides the opportunity to create within unusual size constraints. (It also gives us a chance to use up some of the odd-sized paper leftover from the larger size prints.)

For a full description of all exchange rules and guidelines, I invite you to please follow this link to the Baren Forum website and thoroughly review rules and guidelines for participation:

I hope this clears up any confusion or questions you might have. Please feel free to contact either Mary or I offlist if you have any other concerns.

Happy Printing!
Kristine Alder and Mary Kuster
Baren Exchange Managers

Kristine Alder
Baren Exchange Manager

St. George, UT

Art Educator/Printmaker/Book Artist/Graphic Design


"The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it,
but that it is too low and we reach it." --Michelangelo
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Message 4
From: Viza Arlington
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 16:52:58 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40961] Re: Paper Size and Image Size
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As long as you're not planning a landscape orientation if were you i would
plan my block for your usual 10X13 paper, keeping your normal top and two
sides margins. For the exchange prints use 10X15 paper and for the
remainder of your edition print on your standard 10X13 paper.
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Message 5
From: "Ellen Shipley"
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:10:35 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40962] Re: Paper Size and Image Size - Mats
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Harder to find, but I've ordered 9"x12" mats for chuban prints. Frames are harder to come by as well, so when I do I snarf up a couple.

Ellen Shipley
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Message 6
From: Julio.Rodriguez #
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:22:38 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40963] Re: Exchanges & stuff
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So I was looking over the participants list from our very first exchange
back in 1999 and while many of the names bring back memories of discussion
threads from long ago I was somewhat surprised as how many of those names
are no longer involved with the forum. Only nine are still active on the
forum list and of those only two or three participate in the discussions
with any frequency. Many of the 'missing' names I recognize as either
professional artists or people involved in the educational side of
printmaking. Not sure what that means.

Here is an interesting link passed down from can select to
see specific art types...

some thoughts...........Julio
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Message 7
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:06:56 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40964] Re: Exchanges & stuff
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It might be that we talked about process a lot more at the beginning, when most of us were learning it for the first time..I joined this list right as the first exchange was going out and think one of my first block prints is in exchange 2. I am struggling with the white line thing and could sure vent about that. Maybe we need to review what we are doing and each talk about our own work... I would find that very interesting. With the blogs now available the list is quieter. I don't have time to read the blogs but I usually read the baren maybe we can get a little of that over here onto the list to make it more interesting for folks.
My best to all
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Message 8
From: l k
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 22:52:08 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40965] Re: Exchanges & stuff
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I've posted to a "blog" I've got within another website...AbsoluteArts...
and I get the option of sending that same post to several other places, Blogger, Facebook,
Wordpress...I think a couple more.
Would something like that work here?  I don't know.
I do look at latest blog postings,
but, they seem to be more show and tells about the latest...which is fine. 
I know that if I'm going to have questions about something I see on their blog,
I'm more likely to ask about specifics here on the forum
simply because it shares,
the conversation will get out to those who just don't follow the blogs...who may very well miss the whole conversation entirely....
and sometimes there is some nurdle of customized information that may just show up
solving who knows what kind of problem.
Blogs are great, don't get me wrong...
but, this is the place where the shop talk is going to happen, and for me that's valuable.