Today's postings

  1. [Baren 39390] Re: Facebook (Annie Bissett)
  2. [Baren 39391] Re: Facebook (Marissa)
  3. [Baren 39392] exchange and climate control (Linda Beeman)
  4. [Baren 39393] Re: Facebook (Darrell Madis)
  5. [Baren 39394] copyright ("phare-camp #")
  6. [Baren 39395] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4896 (Jul 16, 2009) (Louise Cass)
  7. [Baren 39396] facebook birthdate etc (Cucamongie #
  8. [Baren 39397] Other Perks of Facebook (Gayle Wohlken)
  9. [Baren 39398] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4897 (Jul 17, 2009) (Marilynn Smith)
  10. [Baren 39399] Re: Facebook (Julio.Rodriguez #
  11. [Baren 39400] RE: copyright (Alex Lake)
  12. [Baren 39401] exchange, copyright, inspiration (J Cloutier)
  13. [Baren 39402] Re: some words on Social networking and other stuff.... (Julio.Rodriguez #
  14. [Baren 39403] RE: From Whence Inspiration Comes? (jennifer kelly)
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Message 1
From: Annie Bissett
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:33:11 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39390] Re: Facebook
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Mike, the photo you took of your friend on the trampoline is
fantastic! I'm really excited to see the prints or drawings that
you'll be making in this series.

I've been pleasantly surprised by Facebook. I was very against it at
first (I was vehemently anti-blogging at first too!) but I've found a
lot of perks and ways to use it. Oddly, it's one of the best ways
I've found to share my art-making life with my local non-artist
friends. I've also re-connected with friends from long ago and enjoy
catching up with them and finding out what kinds of twists and turns
their lives have taken over the years. And I've met new people as
well --- "friends" of friends, so to speak.

I think Facebook's birthday thing is to verify that you're 18 and
also for the birthday-reminder feature -- it tells you when one of
your friend's birthdays is coming up. (This can be useful!)

Anyway, the Baren Facebook page isn't all that active. The listserv
is still the place where the real action is happening, so if you
don't want to do FB don't worry -- I don't think it's a threat to the
energy of the Forum. If anything it may threaten After Five...

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Message 2
From: Marissa
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:13:53 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39391] Re: Facebook
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I need help! I'm not able to view my groups on my FB page and I looked for
help and nothing seems to work. It vanished with the new layout (which I
hate) from 10 months ago but I haven't cared to fix it until now. Can
anybody here help me? This is why I am not active in the group.
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Message 3
From: Linda Beeman
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:19:57 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39392] exchange and climate control
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I had to back out of the last exchange due to finances. It was a big piece of paper and with all the other work I am currently doing, the massive layoffs here and uncertainty of our jobs, I just couldn't afford it this time. I hope to be back soon. Maybe 42? It's small.......I could use up theme...............let me think on it.............

Climate control - I had my first experience with printing outside my studio a print I had also done in my studio. It was still in Michigan but it was 5 hours north. It seemed like the same humidity. (I used my hair as a gauge.) But it just printed weird! I used the same blocks, paint, paper - everything. Don't know what happened but now I understand why others complain about it.

Linda Beeman
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Message 4
From: Darrell Madis
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:31:47 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39393] Re: Facebook
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They should be listed in the info tab.
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Message 5
From: "phare-camp #"
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:06:08 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39394] copyright
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Literature has inspired artists and musicians for centuries; illustrating
literature is derivative and is in no way a copyright infringement.

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Message 6
From: Louise Cass
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:08:53 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39395] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4896 (Jul 16, 2009)
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Marilynn - you could try a few coats of white shellac diluted with
alcohol but it doesn't sound good - get out the plastic wood for patching!

> HELP. I was off carving that block of mysterious wood. Now that
> I am clearing it is chipping like mad, it is splintering off the
> tips of my design. Since this will be an oil based print, I could
> oil the block to help with the splintering. If oiling is not the
> solution what is??
> Marilynn
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Message 7
From: Cucamongie #
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:48:58 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39396] facebook birthdate etc
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you don't have to give them your real birth date, plus once you are signed
up to facebook, you can make it so whatever date you put in there does not

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Message 8
From: Gayle Wohlken
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:49:29 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39397] Other Perks of Facebook
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Annie, you are right about the other perks of Facebook. I can't tell
you how many people from my childhood I have found, and it's been
great fun. We are sharing pictures, emails, memories, memorabilia.
We're having fun identifying people in the photo of our sixth grade
class, stuff like that. I'm glad to see you have had a good
experience with it. And, like you said, the real action is here on
the list because it happily comes to our mailbox (though, even with
Facebook, any emails we get there also do come to our mailbox).

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Message 9
From: Marilynn Smith
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:00:22 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39398] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4897 (Jul 17, 2009)
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I had an interesting conversation this morning with a friend, who is
our port captain at our little Port of Nahcotta boat basin. We talked
about art and business. She was in the midst of doing her quarterly
reports, I said geez I let my husband do that kind of thing, ugh. She
likes doing it. Finally I said, guess I would rather be off painting
some where. She commented on how, often, when a writer or artist gets
under contract and they "have" to produce their work goes down hill.
I said yes, we had been talking about inspiration on my art list and
several have said it can't be forced. Artists, traditionally, are not
the best business people. Some are, I know, but often not. That
brings me to our talented and wonderful hard working Maria. What a
combo, she seems to have a business sense and extreme artistic talent
and drive. I think she put on her business hat when she became
exchange manager, not a bad thing. Her management style and point of
view was different from our previous manager, but not wrong or bad.
We do have a set of rules and enforcing them strictly is not wrong.
Understandably life does get in the way when we sign up for
exchanges. If people are unhappy with the rules and dead lines, than
express that and ask for change. If that is truly keeping many away
from sign up than say so and ask for change. We have always been a
very caring, friendly, giving and understanding group. I think our
council is willing to listen and obviously willing to make changes.
Let us know why you aren't signing up and maybe something can change.
But, it might just be summer is busy, money is tight and maybe many
have other commitments.

In the years I have belonged to this list I have seen some very
talented fellow artists who have grown and had their careers really
take off. They used to be very active with our exchanges, but now are
busy with other things. Perhaps the move to go to face book will
bring in some new eager people who are just starting with wood block
and excited about doing exchanges. I highly encourage new members to
jump in and enjoy the wonder of a great exchange program. You won't be
tarred and feathered if life gets in the way, but you will have to
endure the consequences if you are a late drop out or a no show, that
is life.

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Message 10
From: Julio.Rodriguez #
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:00:56 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39399] Re: Facebook
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Mike writes: "It's all good, I think!"

I agree with Mike....the whole reason for Baren's existence is to promote
woodblock printmaking (okay okay...relief printmaking !) so getting the
word out on a social network like FB should help bring new people onboard
and spread the word of what we have built here and where we are going in
the future. For one you have to formally join and be part
of the email discussion group in order to participate in the formal

Regarding the age thingie....I noticed that a few of the Ads in FB are
aimed at.... me !!!...for example one had to with class reunions for did the Advertiser/FB new that's the year I gaduated from High
School ???? ;-)

As I mentioned earlier in the week there will soon be an announcement
about a new feature to the Baren experience. You will be able to create
your own 'place' within the Baren community so you can upload your images,
link your videos, create your own web pages, invite friends to see your
work and much more. This will all be self-contained within Baren and serve
we hope as complement to the forum discussion groups, the website and the
Friends of Baren Facebook group. It will be a work-in-progress experiment
and we will need you and your contributions to make it all work. Stay
tuned !

Like Mike said.....It's all good, I think !

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Message 11
From: Alex Lake
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:23:21 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39400] RE: copyright
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Dear Amanda,

I guess it depends largely on whether you plan to sell the woodblocks you make of that character. No-one can really stop you making woodblocks of any character for yourself, not least because the copyright owners are not likely to find out - or care - if you are just doing it for your own amusement.

Money-making is a different kettle of fish - I think that copyright 'infringment' might occur if (say, just for a blunt example) you decided to make some Harry Potter-inspired woodblocks. I know you most likely won't, but that's an example of a character's 'look' being so obvious and familiar and almost 'copyrighted' by blockbuster movies that it might land you in trouble if you sold them (although I do know of people who make and sell their own Harry Potter art). Also, the writer is very much alive and well and making a proft from her creation, so it would be somewhat morally questionable and risky to sell works that relate too directly to hers. Most literary characters are far more open to interpretation than Harry Potter, though. I have made and sold works relating to Tolkien's world and characters, for example, but always stayed far from trying to push Tolkien's 'name' with them or copy any of the characters' interpretations from the Peter Jackson or Ralph Bakshi movies. I don't think there is anything wrong with making an interpretation through art of one of his races or creatures, such as an ent, or a dragon, or an orc, since his ideas have become incorporated into popular culture, and the literature itself is now quite old. To copy or use his own artwork in one of mine would be a breach of copyright of the Tolkien Estate, though.

'Classic' literature is fine to copy - since the copyright of books (I think) pre-1933 publishing and after the author's death are considered in the public domain. So... Alice in Wonderland, Gulliver's Travels, Moby Dick etc... all fine to use any way you like.

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Message 12
From: J Cloutier
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:29:18 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39401] exchange, copyright, inspiration
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Hi, Amanda -

I'm impressed that you find inspiration in your small kids. Well, not
so much that you find inspiration there, but that you can find the time
to do anything about it! When my own kids were small, my creativity
pretty much dried up. It's very different now that they're grown and
out of the house.

A thought on copyright - it would depend on the novel. Is it current?
Or old? If it's out of copyright, you can use it. Anything on Project
Gutenberg is free to use - I believe 70 years is the limit.

Good luck with your project.
Jane Cloutier

May I ask a copyright question? I'm planning a series of woodblock prints
based on a favorite novel. The images are totally my own, but I'm using
characters (my interpretation of what they would look like) and some events
from the novel. Is this fair game as far as copyright is concerned, or do I
need permission from the author? I will refer to the novel in my titles
and/or descriptions, so I will be acknowledging where my inspiration is
coming from.

As for sources of inspiration, I find it in many places-- a book, a line
from a song, simple things I find beautiful, nature, my kids. A great place
to work out ideas is in the shower, especially after exercise when I still
feel energized. As a mom of a toddler and a newborn, the shower is also one
of the few places where I'm every alone!
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Message 13
From: Julio.Rodriguez #
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:43:39 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39402] Re: some words on Social networking and other stuff....
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I linked up some videos from the folks at Commoncraft that explain in a
very simple way all the exciting stuff going on with social networks,
blogs, etc...
Take a look, they are short, to the point and very animated......think of
a Baren community where all these tools could come together to help us
our cause and share with the world not only the written word but also
images, videos, etc......

Comments ?

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Message 14
From: jennifer kelly
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:18:42 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39403] RE: From Whence Inspiration Comes?
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Pegging the washing out. Nothing like a bit of tedious activity to spend daydreaming. Or gorgeous scenery.Jenny

>Where do you get your inspiration? Alone, at a party, on a bus, by seeing it, imagining it, etc.... Just curious if "lightning strikes" at a time or place in particular?
>Daniel L. Dew