Today's postings
- [Baren 39310] Re: International shipping: tax question ("Clive.ca")
- [Baren 39311] print exhibition in Portland, Oregon (Cucamongie # aol.com)
- [Baren 39312] Re: shipping work abroad from US ("James Mundie")
- [Baren 39313] shipping out of US (Claudia Coonen)
- [Baren 39314] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4887 (Jul 10, 2009) (Marilynn Smith)
- [Baren 39315] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4887 (Jul 10, 2009) ("Mike Lyon")
- [Baren 39316] Re: International shipping: tax question (ArtfulCarol # aol.com)
- [Baren 39317] Re: International shipping: tax question (Louise Cass)
Message 1
From: "Clive.ca"
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:56:16 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39310] Re: International shipping: tax question
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Melissa, regarding the Tax on items shipped to Canada. The last
package I got from Heather and Kathe at Four Oceans Press had
"Printed Material" in large type across the front. The Customs
Declaration was from the US Postal Service and in the "Quantity and
detailed description of contents" section was written :Paper, no
commercial value".
That was it. I paid no duty nor did any Customs agents kick down my
door and seize the prints. I didn't view it as a "Moral" issue though
as I remember, a bird pooped on my car later in the day that the
prints arrived. I'm pretty sure that it was an unrelated incident and
not punishment.
Clive
I shipped a print to a friend in Canada via FedEx, and used the online
FedEx forms for declaring value. I got charged for tax almost equaling
the value of the print, plus a 'small convenience fee' of $35, which I
found neither small nor convenient.
Message 2
From: Cucamongie # aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:06:46 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39311] print exhibition in Portland, Oregon
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Hey, for those of you in the area, in case you want to stop by, I will
have some prints up in the following exhibition. Unfortunately, I'm not able
to make it there as I am in NYC, but if anyone happens to stop by, it would
be fun to have an on-site report :)
best wishes
Sarah
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Message 3
From: "James Mundie"
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:29:18 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39312] Re: shipping work abroad from US
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[Baren] Daily DigestMelissa wrote:
"Do any of you have experience shipping art overseas? Specifically, I'm
wondering about how other people deal with declared value and import
taxes. I shipped a print to a friend in Canada via FedEx, and used the online
FedEx forms for declaring value. I got charged for tax almost equaling
the value of the print, plus a 'small convenience fee' of $35, which I
found neither small nor convenient."
As others have noted, you will have an easier time of it if you use the United States Postal Service rather than UPS, FedEx or DHL. The USPS fees will be lower, they still offer a number of reasonably quick options, and you can still insure the item for your own peace of mind.
When shipping to Europe, the recipient has to deal with the dreaded VAT (value added tax), and perhaps additional import duties. From a customs standpoint, they're really more interested in getting a piece of any further commerce - that is, someone shipping in goods for resale. That's probably not what's happening with your individual customers -- but might be the case if you are sending work to a gallery.
Even domestically, when using private carriers you must declare your work as 'printed matter' or some such thing because they don't want to be responsible for damaging "originals" - which I take to mean a singular item like a painting that cannot be substituted with another print from your edition. I discovered this recently when sending photographs to Los Angeles for a show via UPS. The clerk was helpful but wanted to make sure the boxes contained "no originals" because they're "not allowed" to accept artwork. Frankly, if they can't guarantee that the carton you entrust to them (no matter what inside) will get to its destination and in one piece, they should enter another line of work -- but such are the beaurecratic hurdles on must jump through. UPS and FedEx are shipping original artworks daily, and they know it - but it's a way of covering their posterior if something gets lost, damaged, or stolen.
I also had to ship work to New Orleans in a hurry (the gallery's fault for bringing me late to the game) and wound up paying a fee so steep that for a mere $10 more I could have flown down there myself - but I digress.
I have an opportunity coming up to display woodcuts in London and perhaps elsewhere on the Continent, so this idea of getting work there from the US in the the most expedient and least costly manner is on my mind. Perhaps some of our European members can chime in: when sending items to another EU country does one have to contend with further import duties? In my case I'm looking at having the work go from England to The Netherlands and then possibly to France. Obviously, I want to control my own expenses, but also not burden the receiving parties.
Jim
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"Do any of you have experience shipping art overseas? Specifically, I'm
wondering about how other people deal with declared value and import
taxes. I shipped a print to a friend in Canada via FedEx, and used the online
FedEx forms for declaring value. I got charged for tax almost equaling
the value of the print, plus a 'small convenience fee' of $35, which I
found neither small nor convenient."
As others have noted, you will have an easier time of it if you use the United States Postal Service rather than UPS, FedEx or DHL. The USPS fees will be lower, they still offer a number of reasonably quick options, and you can still insure the item for your own peace of mind.
When shipping to Europe, the recipient has to deal with the dreaded VAT (value added tax), and perhaps additional import duties. From a customs standpoint, they're really more interested in getting a piece of any further commerce - that is, someone shipping in goods for resale. That's probably not what's happening with your individual customers -- but might be the case if you are sending work to a gallery.
Even domestically, when using private carriers you must declare your work as 'printed matter' or some such thing because they don't want to be responsible for damaging "originals" - which I take to mean a singular item like a painting that cannot be substituted with another print from your edition. I discovered this recently when sending photographs to Los Angeles for a show via UPS. The clerk was helpful but wanted to make sure the boxes contained "no originals" because they're "not allowed" to accept artwork. Frankly, if they can't guarantee that the carton you entrust to them (no matter what inside) will get to its destination and in one piece, they should enter another line of work -- but such are the beaurecratic hurdles on must jump through. UPS and FedEx are shipping original artworks daily, and they know it - but it's a way of covering their posterior if something gets lost, damaged, or stolen.
I also had to ship work to New Orleans in a hurry (the gallery's fault for bringing me late to the game) and wound up paying a fee so steep that for a mere $10 more I could have flown down there myself - but I digress.
I have an opportunity coming up to display woodcuts in London and perhaps elsewhere on the Continent, so this idea of getting work there from the US in the the most expedient and least costly manner is on my mind. Perhaps some of our European members can chime in: when sending items to another EU country does one have to contend with further import duties? In my case I'm looking at having the work go from England to The Netherlands and then possibly to France. Obviously, I want to control my own expenses, but also not burden the receiving parties.
Jim
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Message 4
From: Claudia Coonen
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:44:40 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39313] shipping out of US
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I have shipped to Canada, I had a woman send something unframed, (she saw it
framed), and the whole time she was concerned about costs as exchange rate
was bad at the time. She had me label it GIFT and I still insured it for
full value .
claudia
framed), and the whole time she was concerned about costs as exchange rate
was bad at the time. She had me label it GIFT and I still insured it for
full value .
claudia
Message 5
From: Marilynn Smith
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:28:33 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39314] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4887 (Jul 10, 2009)
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I'm working on a new carving and have no idea what the wood is. On
one side in blue were faint letters EWE??? It seems to carve well
enough, very grainy, but not too hard. Any clue as to what EWE might
mean?
Marilynn
one side in blue were faint letters EWE??? It seems to carve well
enough, very grainy, but not too hard. Any clue as to what EWE might
mean?
Marilynn
Message 6
From: "Mike Lyon"
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:00:43 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39315] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4887 (Jul 10, 2009)
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Message 7
From: ArtfulCarol # aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:49:48 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39316] Re: International shipping: tax question
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On June 9 I mailed unframed prints in a small package called Large
envelope to Ontario, Canada at the US Post Office. It was marked Printed Matter.
.It was just received, one month later! It was $1.85 Int'l postage and
for the Canadian coupon for return first class mail, $1.81.
Today, July 10, I mailed another similar package to the same address in
Canada. Its fate remains to be seen.. I will report on the progress if
the prints appear on a website.
My postal worker said Canada is one of the cheapest places to send mail.
Carol Lyons
Irvington, NY
envelope to Ontario, Canada at the US Post Office. It was marked Printed Matter.
.It was just received, one month later! It was $1.85 Int'l postage and
for the Canadian coupon for return first class mail, $1.81.
Today, July 10, I mailed another similar package to the same address in
Canada. Its fate remains to be seen.. I will report on the progress if
the prints appear on a website.
My postal worker said Canada is one of the cheapest places to send mail.
Carol Lyons
Irvington, NY
Message 8
From: Louise Cass
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:36:06 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39317] Re: International shipping: tax question
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NEVER use FedEx if it can be avoided!!! I had a terrible experience
sending stuff to France - I was assured there was no duty or tax on
'original, contemporary art' (antiquities are something else) but my
parcel ended up in the hands of a French broker (???) which FedEx people
never could explain satisfactorily and the recipient in France paid a
huge amount which I later had to reimburse them for - I always take a
chance now on the postal system, declare 'no value' and so far nothing
has gone astray! I did have to send stuff in a hurry to the UK tho' and
had Air Canada freight do it - the ptg ended up in the Customs shed for
pickup but the recipient there argued their way out of duty, VAT,
etc.............as we'd all discussed some time ago - there's no really
reliable system for shipping - one takes one's chances with any of them.
Louise C.
sending stuff to France - I was assured there was no duty or tax on
'original, contemporary art' (antiquities are something else) but my
parcel ended up in the hands of a French broker (???) which FedEx people
never could explain satisfactorily and the recipient in France paid a
huge amount which I later had to reimburse them for - I always take a
chance now on the postal system, declare 'no value' and so far nothing
has gone astray! I did have to send stuff in a hurry to the UK tho' and
had Air Canada freight do it - the ptg ended up in the Customs shed for
pickup but the recipient there argued their way out of duty, VAT,
etc.............as we'd all discussed some time ago - there's no really
reliable system for shipping - one takes one's chances with any of them.
Louise C.