Today's postings

  1. [Baren 36909] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V44 #4530 (Sep 16, 2008) (Graham Scholes)
  2. [Baren 36910] Re: Exchange 39 (Sharri LaPierre)
  3. [Baren 36911] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V44 #4530 (Sep 16, 2008) (Lana Lambert)
  4. [Baren 36912] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification (Blog Manager)
  5. [Baren 36913] liar ("viza arlington")
  6. [Baren 36914] Re: liar (aqua4tis #
  7. [Baren 36915] Re: Oil and Water (Annie Bissett)
  8. [Baren 36916] oil vs water (Barbara Mason)
  9. [Baren 36917] Questions for Forum (tara wings)
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Message 1
From: Graham Scholes
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:57:00 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36909] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V44 #4530 (Sep 16, 2008)
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Sitting on the side lines here.... this broke me up....

If you loose the I wonder what if aspect of art...
then I wonder where growth from experimentation goes.

I remember the day on this forum, you were not allowed to use the oily
Even using the word you got a notice from the forum Cops....
Yes I exaggerate but you get the idea.

Keep smiling
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Message 2
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:21:26 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36910] Re: Exchange 39
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Yes, moku hanga could be done in just black and white using sumi ink.

Cheers ~
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Message 3
From: Lana Lambert
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:04:38 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36911] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V44 #4530 (Sep 16, 2008)
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I vote for trees. :)

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Message 4
From: Blog Manager
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:55:41 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36912] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification
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This is an automatic update message being sent to [Baren] by the forum blog software.

The following new entries were found on the listed printmaker's websites during the past 24 hours. (53 sites checked, five minutes before midnight Eastern time)


Site Name: mLee Fine Art

Author: Marissa L. Swinghammer
Item: mmmmm Autumn

Author: Marissa L. Swinghammer
Item: Four Choices


Site Name: Amanda's Art Blog

Author: Amanda
Item: Blogful


[Baren] members: if you have a printmaking blog (or a website with a published ATOM feed), and wish it to be included in this daily checklist, please write to the Baren Blog Manager at:

For reference, sites/blogs currently being checked are:
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Message 5
From: "viza arlington"
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:08:31 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36913] liar
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Sharri you are not 70!

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Message 6
From: aqua4tis #
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:14:03 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36914] Re: liar
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you took the words right out of my mouth!!!!
no way!!!!
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Message 7
From: Annie Bissett
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:15:14 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36915] Re: Oil and Water
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Like Tom, I also joined Baren Forum in order to learn more about moku
hanga (Japanese style woodblock printing). is
the only English-language web site on the entire internet that is
dedicated to this ancient and elegant form of printmaking. On this
site is an "Encyclopedia" full of articles and carefully scanned and
preserved out-of-print texts about moku hanga. The Baren Mall puts us
directly in touch with Japanese suppliers of equipment, papers and
pigments designed for moku hanga. The study and promotion of moku
hanga was the Baren Forum's original mission, hence its name.

I love this web site. I've learned almost everything I know about
Japanese woodblock printing from this web site, and I'm grateful for
it every time I open a new Baren Digest. In my Baren Digest, by the
way, there are dozens and dozens of postings every week that have
nothing to do with moku hanga -- postings about the content and pros
and cons of various oil-based inks, about retarders, extenders,
presses, blankets, drying racks. You know what? I read them anyhow.
Like Maria said, "as an artist I hope to forever keep growing."

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Message 8
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:07:50 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36916] oil vs water
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I disagree...the council will not make this decision, the membership will and we will not know what
the membership wants if they do not post. I don't see this as divisive, but as a way to direct the future.
My best

> Until this issue is acted upon by those who lead, this
> discussion will no be ended and divisions, both
> unnecessary and harmful to this forum, will continue
> to underline all the good works of those concerned.
> Eli
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Message 9
From: tara wings
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:33:26 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36917] Questions for Forum
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Hello! I am so happy to have found all of you. I am someone who has been
out of the loop from printmaking for a little while and i am trying to get
back into it...

I am setting up a small printmaking studio for myself at home.
Previously I had been spoiled and was a member of a fully set-up studio
with great supplies, so I never paid too much attention to the brands
of things. I am going to buy some ink for woodblock printing. I
like to use oil based ink. I am deciding right now what is the best
brand to go with. I know that Charbonnel is the creme de la creme and
I have used it and liked it, so I am thinking to go with this, but I
am wondering how people feel about Daniel Smith brand.

One of the factors is that I am finding Daniel Smith brand that is
already for relief printing, so it might reduce how much I have to
mess with the viscosity. The Charbonnel I am only finding as etching
ink, and I could just change the viscosity myself, it's no big deal,
but it would be nice if the Daniel Smith is ready to go right
form the tube. What would you do in my situation? What ink do you

In case this effects you thoughts on the ink, I will be printing on a new
material- in the past I have printed on only nice printmaking papers Arches,
Rives, Japanese papers, etc.) and now I will be printing on a cardstock.
( I am making handbound books and I am printing the covers. The bookmaking side
is much more new to me!)

One more question, in the description on the Daniel Smith site, they are talking about
addatives such as Gel Reducer or Cobalt Drier. What do you think about
these? I have never used these types of additives- why would you want
to use them? I don't mind waiting for things to dry, except that I am
setting this up at home and I do have cats, so I guess the faster
things dry the better so they don't get knocked over/get cat hair in
them. Thank you so much for your help!!! Here is the description of
what Daniel Smith put on their site about the oil relief ink...

Daniel Smith relief inks are professional quality oil-based inks for
wood-block, linoleum and intaglio relief printing. They are smooth and
creamy, yielding crisp prints with a press or by hand. to reduce tack,
which may be desirable for hand printing, add a small amount of Daniel
Smith Miracle Gel Reducer. We add no drier to most of the colors, and
less than .01% to a few. Ink applications can take up to seven days to
dry, depending upon the environmental conditions in your studio. For
faster drying, you may add a small amount-- no more than 5% by
volume-- of Cobalt Drier, available in both 2 ounce and pint sizes.
Each of the 22 colors is made with pure burnt plate oil and the finest
pigments. Transparencies can be made by adding our Transparent