Today's postings

  1. [Baren 30718] Presentation (Gayle Wohlken)
  2. [Baren 30719] re: Chinese woodcuts ("Eva Pietzcker")
  3. [Baren 30720] Types of Timber ("Tom Kristensen")
  4. [Baren 30721] Interesting table/paper printing arrangement (ArtfulCarol #
  5. [Baren 30722] Re: Naming ply wood ("Wouter and Pamela ten Broek")
  6. [Baren 30723] print pricing (pwhittenberger #
  7. [Baren 30724] RE: print pricing ("Maria Arango")
  8. [Baren 30725] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V35 #3450 (Apr 19, 2006) ("aimee")
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Message 1
From: Gayle Wohlken
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:14:40 -0400
Subject: [Baren 30718] Presentation
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Thanks to those who gave me links to Chinese woodcuts. I used one
thing I gleaned from your information in explaining the beginnings of
relief images.

The presentation at the artists' networking meeting went well -- it
always feels good to have tables of your "stuff" in front of you, and
the audience gathered nearby -- nicely intimate. I used a microphone
for the first time and found it empowering. Basically, I'm shy, but
it felt like a different person took over and did the talking. I
think that person is the one who's been learning all this stuff about
woodcuts, thanks to experience, my teachers, and Baren. By the way,
I had one table with prints from a few of the exchanges set out and
the Baren brochures. People enjoyed the diversity among those prints.

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Message 2
From: "Eva Pietzcker"
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:36:10 +0200
Subject: [Baren 30719] re: Chinese woodcuts
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I don't know the sign and the correct writing, but when I was in China, the artists I met called woodblock prints "mu ke".


Eva Pietzcker
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Message 3
From: "Tom Kristensen"
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:26:08 +1000
Subject: [Baren 30720] Types of Timber
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Harry asks about the true identity of his Plywood...

European (or Russian) Birch ply is a blond timber. Maranti, which comes from rainforests in South East Asia is pink. It would be hard to confuse the two. Both are excellent timbers for carving. As for the Lime/Linden/Basswood... These are trees in the Tilia genus, but the Lime fruit has nothing to do with the Lime timber. Some woodworkers are not botanists and if one timber resembles another the name was carried on. In Australia we have a unique flora, but we are stuck with Silky Oak, She Oak, Apple etc for trees that are vastly different to their namesakes. Likewise with our geographic placenames. The homesick brits were really grasping at straws.

Tom from New South Wales, Australia
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Message 4
From: ArtfulCarol #
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:42:12 EDT
Subject: [Baren 30721] Interesting table/paper printing arrangement
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From Eva Pietzcker
_www.pietzcker.de_ (

If you link onto Chinese woodblocks and then scroll down you will see a
diagram of a very useful table/paper arrangement I had heard about this but
never saw it:

Thank you Eva for all this info.

On Monday I met and had a really good time at the L.A. County Museum with
Ellen Shipley. Her work is on her blog and she brought some of the
originals for me to see. We viewed Japanese art in a separate building (only one
woodblock print) and had a Baren art chat.. It's always a pleasure to meet
you people!

Carol Lyons
Irvington, NY
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Message 5
From: "Wouter and Pamela ten Broek"
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:25:55 +1200
Subject: [Baren 30722] Re: Naming ply wood
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Hi Harry

This in reply to your query about nomenclature of timbers.
Moranti - probably meaning Meranti - ply is made from timber species called shorea mainly ex SE Asia. In Indonesia we called it Kaju Meranti in West Africa it was Wismore - phonetically - perfect for light building , furniture and as ply very good eg in boatbuilding All available in various grades. Mahogany in an altogether different species very different characteristics. Honduras with the typical "mahogany" colour. West African with a more interesting grain and browner in appearance.
Birch ply as I understand it is made from Birch.I remember it from when I used it Europe. Beautiful tight grained and even dense ply.In this part of the world e.g. New Zealand we can get ply made from hoop pine ex Australia that would come closest to Birch ply. I'm new to Wood cut printing but have worked with wood for 50 years.I noted that everyone seem to hold Japanese mountain cherry in high regard.Of course can't get it here. So I tried Swamp Kauri - heart -. great stuff. Very tight silky and very strong. I tried American cherry. Cut a block with a straight grain slight buff colour.Not bad but courser than the Kauri.Also have some pinkish coloured American cherry which I believe will be smoother. I do believe that basswood is another name for lime.

Will take this opportunity to introduce myself. I'm very new to wood cut printing. I have been an avid photographer in black and white since I was 10.drawing, oil painting and aquarelle but always earned my living in a more prosaic manner. Now all that stuff has come together and now wood cut printing feels like a fever which I quite like.

In the next couple of months I will organize a website. My name is Wouter ten Broek and I live in New Zealand.
I have been following the Baren digest and learned a lot already by following all the links to a wealth of information out there and I admire all your work and the energy you put in your lives.

Kind regards

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Message 6
From: pwhittenberger #
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:59:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 30723] print pricing
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Mabey it's bad that my first post makes me sound like a total capitalist
but i have a little show this summer and i've never been comfortable
pricing my work. Is there a formula or standard that anyone knows? Any
suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Peter Whittenberger
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Message 7
From: "Maria Arango"
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:41:17 -0700
Subject: [Baren 30724] RE: print pricing
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There is NEVER anything wrong with living artists making a living.
As far as I know, original print prices are all over the place and really
depend on a variety of factors, among them: your own audience, size, how
many in the edition, size, how long you've been selling prints, whether you
have a collector's following, size, black and white versus color versus
30-color plate print (degree of difficulty) etc...and size. As you might be
able to tell from that list of factors, most popular buyers buy by size;
collectors don't care much as long as something "grabs them."

When I first started selling prints, I priced them at a level I felt
comfortable with. That "formula" still stands today as my gauge, although I
have been able to raise my prices considerably to match the market and my
audience. Remember raising prices is always easier (more justifiable) than
lowering them. Be humble, be hungry, be true.

Several suggetions for you:
My price list
Check out several of our member's prints at Etsy search
for woodcuts
Might want to simply search our member's websites from the main page and see their price lists.

Happy selling!

Maria Arango
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Message 8
From: "aimee"
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:31:43 -0800
Subject: [Baren 30725] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V35 #3450 (Apr 19, 2006)
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love those blogspots! thanks so much for the introduction to naoko
matsubara, annie, & kudos to tom kristensen for his feature on such an
interesting website (thanks, mike). beyond baren. such a tangled web we

as to the linoleum...i took a workshop with tom killion whose california
coastline images are a mix of linoleum key and woodblock grounds; he has
worked on acheiving a hanga effect with
linoleum, oil ink, and press--not being a purist, i have to say--whatever

maria, can't wait for those coyotes to howl in my house. and thanks to those
roosters--3 of them! that flew in this week. must be the coyotes behind them
that stirred them up, hmmm?