Today's postings

  1. [Baren 29858] RE: New Baren Digest (Text) V34 #3335 (Jan 14, 2006) ("Sales")
  2. [Baren 29859] Re: Fine cross-hatch lines ("robert")
  3. [Baren 29860] ooops ("robert")
  4. [Baren 29861] oops x 2 ("robert")
  5. [Baren 29862] print exchange ("robert")
  6. [Baren 29863] Re: print exchange ("Matt Laine")
  7. [Baren 29864] not print related but frustrated (Barbara Mason)
  8. [Baren 29865] Re: not print related but frustrated ("robert")
  9. [Baren 29866] Working with Maple (GWohlken)
  10. [Baren 29867] Re: not print related but frustrated (Mike Lyon)
  11. [Baren 29868] Reductive printing (Reneeaugrin #
  12. [Baren 29869] Re: Baren Digest (old) V34 #3334 ("Marilynn Smith")
  13. [Baren 29870] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V34 #3335 (Jan 14, 2006) (edmund #
  14. [Baren 29871] Re: Reductive printing (mtlaine # UDel.Edu)
  15. [Baren 29872] Re: Working with Maple (Pauldejode #
  16. [Baren 29873] Re: not print related but frustrated (Pauldejode #
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Message 1
From: "Sales"
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:28:59 -0600
Subject: [Baren 29858] RE: New Baren Digest (Text) V34 #3335 (Jan 14, 2006)
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The largest supply of printmaking tools anywhere in the world -
especially the tools that you are referring to is at Graphic Chemical &
Ink ( One of the links listed below is for the
Artool line of tools. Graphic was the U.S. distributor for these tools a
number of years ago, and gave up the line. In my opinion, they are not
as good as the tools from Lyons or other U.S., German or Japanese

A Lozenge graver (or burin) is shaped like a square, but with the two
adjacent facets on the botton being longer that the two on the top, so
the tool is an elongated diamond shape. A #6 lozenge will cut a narrower
line than a #6 square from the same manufacturer.

Dean Clark

>I'm sure Andy will give you a much better answer, but here is a page
>with a photo of the tool, a drawing of the tip (diamond shaped), and a
>short description of how it's used.

>More close-up photos/descriptions from another online catalog:

== M

> What is a "Lozenge" tool, Andy? I'm unfamiliar with the name. Matt
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Message 2
From: "robert"
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:54:00 +0000
Subject: [Baren 29859] Re: Fine cross-hatch lines
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You can get these tools in a set sold by cachet in there scratch art kit. I have seen them at the dreaded michaels craft stores here in town (naples fl)
check out Houstan arts, speedball, cachet, theses are the manufacturers of these things.
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Message 3
From: "robert"
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:54:41 +0000
Subject: [Baren 29860] ooops
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Message 4
From: "robert"
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:55:34 +0000
Subject: [Baren 29861] oops x 2
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that last answer was for the scratch art tool not the lozenge. sorry folks.
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Message 5
From: "robert"
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:29:52 +0000
Subject: [Baren 29862] print exchange
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Hello everyone, I just wanted to repost the link to the sign up info for the first ever print exchange for's website. (for the weekend people or those that might have missed it. I hope you all don't mind!
There has been a great response! I am very proud of you all for supporting this venture and taking part.
I love doing these exchanges, it keeps me working and I find that if I have a theme it keeps me even more focused!
So kudos to you all and for those that might have missed the link to sign up. check it out and get involved!
Cheers, Rob

ps. If any of you can let me know how the page looks, that would be great. I have had some alignment trouble. I think I fixed it though. Thanks
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Message 6
From: "Matt Laine"
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:41:43 -0500
Subject: [Baren 29863] Re: print exchange
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Page looks fine.
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Message 7
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:17:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 29864] not print related but frustrated
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Hi all....
Sorry to dump on you...but I am so irritated this morning.

I get a lot of email, maybe 200 a day, partly because I am on every printmaking list out there and partly because each order from the baren mall generates about 4 or 5 emails.One for the order, one with Bridget to check stuff, one to send it to Japan, one to let me know it shipped, one to notify the recipient it is on its way and several if things go astray or are late. Bridget is a jewell...the mall has never run as smooth. I could not do it without her. I guess we are growing and that is good news!

I also get a zilling emails from Africa wanting to send me money....why the heck don't they keep the money and solve some of their problems with it! I am just so sick of them....they take notes from each other and the emails all sound alike....they must think Americans are pretty stupid...mabye we are. The spam catcher got 56 this morning and I still got a pile of them. Those wiley devils....they learn how to get around the spam blockers. Plus Yahoo seems to be having some problems and today it was slower than dial up...and I had to reload it twice.


I feel better...thanks for letting me vent.
Best to all,
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Message 8
From: "robert"
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:26:27 +0000
Subject: [Baren 29865] Re: not print related but frustrated
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That is called the 411 scam.
It catches about a few million dollars worth of american money each year. They say the need help getting a large sum of money to someone else and they need your help. what happens is they say in order to do this we need this much money to get it released and then a excuse comes up so they keep asking for more money making it sound legit and then they just string people along until they get there money. It is a HUGE scam. watch out for it. The african and nigerean government put full page adds in the new york times and other major papers to warn americans about this.
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Message 9
From: GWohlken
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:43:14 -0500
Subject: [Baren 29866] Working with Maple
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John Center, or anyone else who has worked with maple, I have a
question. Would you suggest oiling or doing anything to the wood
before carving? I prefer not to use anything with strong fumes. My
thinking about maple is that it's such a hard wood, you probably
don't have to do anything like oiling or adding any kind of shellac
to it to strengthen it for the lines that will be carved in? Is that

Also, since the moisture is at 11% (or at least was before it was
cut), would you lay the boards flat, turning them over daily (as was
suggested by the Amish man who planed and cut the wood), or would you
leave it on one of its sides, leaned against a wall to further dry
it? I've been keeping the boards on the floor, turning them with the
convex side up, the concave side down (we're speaking _very_ small
concave/convex here, barely noticeable, but it does indicate
moisture, I believe). I'd like to start carving next week. Any
suggestions for getting this wood ready would be helpful. I've
already received some info offline, but would like to hear from other
folks, too, especially those who are accustomed to carving maple. I
know I'll have to keep sharpening my tools for these boards, but what
else should I know?

Northeast Ohio
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Message 10
From: Mike Lyon
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:48:00 -0600
Subject: [Baren 29867] Re: not print related but frustrated
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Our posting guidelines are available at -- "This forum is about
woodblock/woodcut printmaking; your postings should be very
restricted to this topic. As you can see from browsing in the
archives, other topics also get some attention, but it should also be
evident that off-topic discussions soon shift over to [Baren After
Five], the 'social circle' of the group. So please - especially if
you are a newcomer - stay with the woodcut topic. If you have doubt
if your posting is adequate for this list, please contact another
member for clarification."

-- Mike

Mike Lyon
Kansas City, Missouri
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Message 11
From: Reneeaugrin #
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:08:19 EST
Subject: [Baren 29868] Reductive printing
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Happy New Year Bareners,

I have been enjoying the posts lately and finally have a chance to write.

I have been very busy printing for my show at the Northwest Print Council's
Gallery "Print Arts Northwest". I would be delighted to see anyone who is in
the 'neighborhood' on February 2nd, First Thursday in Portland, Oregon.

The prints are based on 'beauty in your own back yard', after the insane
plan for our city of Damascus to build a road through our house I decided to
make a quiet protest by documenting as well as celebrating the beauty of our
place. All that aside, I needed an efficient way to print these blocks and so I
chose to make them a double reductive, with a 'warm' color side and a 'cool'
color side. I am using all transparent colors and oil base ink. It was very
easy as I went from a light yellow an orangey glow , then meshing it with
the blue reductive, light to dark. Now I need to add the violet, and some dark
green, I'll have to do some experimenting as to which 'side' to print from.
This really has worked out rather well, I found I was overly cautious in not
carving away enough, as with a regular reductive, once the opportunity to
print that area is gone--well, that's it as many of you know! One of the
prints is a 14"x 14" square, so I thought it was interesting that others were
talking about square formats, I really enjoyed it. I kind of wish I had printed
some by turning and overlapping the imagery, just to see what happens,
especially with the beautiful transparent colors. I have three other new and
reductive prints all around 24-36 in each edition.

I am looking forward to receiving the exchange from Fall. I am sorry that
my roosters took a back seat to everything, I have been showing all my art
classes the wonderful roosters that you all have sent and will print and send
out my Rooster after this show is settled. He is a linoleum block from 1972.

Thank you all for this great exchange of ideas and inspiration.

I to my work!

Renee U.
In very, very rainy and windy Damascus, Oregon
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Message 12
From: "Marilynn Smith"
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:34:51 -0800
Subject: [Baren 29869] Re: Baren Digest (old) V34 #3334
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In carving I always thought that the wood splintered less when one followed
the grain. I got an electric carver for Christmas and interestingly when I
used it with the grain I had more splintering than when I used it against
the grain. Using Myrtle wood. Keep the tools sharp!!!! Some woods
naturally have more oil in them and also your climate affects the oil, it
can dry out a lot more in a hot dry area. The more oil the less
splintering. With hanga we do need to watch what we put on the surface of
our plates. You can also try a light varnish for help with splitering and
creating a smoother line.
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Message 13
From: edmund #
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:27:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Baren 29870] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V34 #3335 (Jan 14, 2006)
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I've checked out the Graphic Chemical site, thanks to your post, and find
that it does have an amazing amount of tools and supplies. I hope that you
know that I wasn't trying to be a shill for one company over another - I
was simply pointing out a few sites with some good graphics illustrating
certain tools. Thanks so much for letting me know about Graphic Chemical.

= M
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Message 14
From: mtlaine # UDel.Edu
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:53:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Baren 29871] Re: Reductive printing
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Would like to see that print you mention -- can
(would) you put it in an email to baren?
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Message 15
From: Pauldejode #
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:39:39 EST
Subject: [Baren 29872] Re: Working with Maple
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Gayle,If you sticker the boards that you have you do not need to keep turning
them. To sticker means to place a thin strip of wood ,preferably of the same
species, between the boards that allows air to circulate around and over as
much of the surface as possible at any one time. Also keep them out of any
drafts and with those precautions you will be fine.If you do not have stickers of
the same species it will be O.K. The only reason you use these is because it
reduces sticker stain but as we print from these it is of no
concern.Occasionally move the positioning of the stickers.
Paul de Jode , Boulder CO
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Message 16
From: Pauldejode #
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:57:08 EST
Subject: [Baren 29873] Re: not print related but frustrated
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With regard to two comments today,Mike and Barbara, I would also like to
refer to unnecessary postings.There seem to be a significant percentage of
postings that really are comments from one person to another and that have no value
to the rest of the forum.Can these not be posted directly to the person
involved and not to the forum?Personally I have very little spare time to sit at the
computer and sifting through piles of unnecesary E.mail, is not an enjoyable
The matters relating to the practice of printmaking are a wonderful resource
but a more focused approach would surely benefit us all.Who really wants to
sit there reading someone else's mail? Anyone up for discussing this?
Paul de jode
Boulder Co.