Today's postings

  1. [Baren 25457] speaking of politics (Shireen Holman)
  2. [Baren 25458] Re: speaking of politics (bettewappner #
  3. [Baren 25459] Prodigies feature in the Penn Gazette (James G Mundie)
  4. [Baren 25460] SGC (Barbara Mason)
  5. [Baren 25461] baren exchange 20 (FurryPressII #
  6. [Baren 25462] About Prints, Art and Ideas (Robert Swain Charles)
  7. [Baren 25463] Re: About Prints, Art and Ideas (Daniel Dew)
  8. [Baren 25464] Re: political print exchange (Janet Hollander)
  9. [Baren 25465] Link to Article re James Mundie's Work (GWohlken)
  10. [Baren 25466] Re: political for "After 5" ("Ramsey Household")
  11. [Baren 25467] Re: political print exchange ("marilynn smih")
  12. [Baren 25468] Ever had one of those days? (Lana Lambert)
  13. [Baren 25469] Getting Dick Blick to Ship Quick (ha, ha, ha) (John and Michelle Morrell)
  14. [Baren 25470] Re: SGC (bettewappner #
  15. [Baren 25471] Re: Thanks for the input - Political Agenda exchange (eli griggs)
  16. [Baren 25472] Re: Exchange 22?? (Mike Lyon)
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Message 1
From: Shireen Holman
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:33:43 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25457] speaking of politics
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Hello everyone,
Speaking of politics, next year's SGC (Southern Graphics Council)
conference will be held in Washington DC, March 30 - April 3, 2005. The
theme is "Power in Print". The SGC conferences started out small, but are
now internationally attended annual conferences on printmaking. This one
should be really exciting. In addition to all the panels and talks
scheduled, there will be tours of the print collections of all the major
museums and art collections in the area. The website for the conference is
under construction, but will continue to be updated with information - the
address is

So, if you're interested in prints and politics.....


Shireen Holman, Printmaker and Book Artist
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Message 2
From: bettewappner #
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:15:31 +0000
Subject: [Baren 25458] Re: speaking of politics
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thank you shireen for the web link which btw is a very nice design. i
love the thumbprint. i like the theme "Power In Print" - it really does
emcompass everything in all of our lives. in order to learn, i need to
remain open to this subject of prints and politics and religion. bette.
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Message 3
From: James G Mundie
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:22:54 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25459] Prodigies feature in the Penn Gazette
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"Freak Love" by Samuel Hughes, an article about yours truly and my
"Prodigies" series, has just been published in the July|August 2004
edition of _The Pennsylvania Gazette_, a publication of the University
of Pennsylvania.

You may view the article on-line at:

There's even a passing mention of woodcut in there. Ten points to the
first one to find it! ;-D


James Mundie
Philadelphia PA, U.S.A.
Prodigies: Anomalous Humans by James G. Mundie
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Message 4
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:36:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 25460] SGC
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I think we should get as many people from Baren as possible to go to SGC.

I wonder if we can get some kind of booth to do demos....after all there are not very many people printing traditional waterbased woodblock. If not this, then at least we can give away our brochures in the Print Alliance booth. Maybe we can work out a deal with the Print Alliance.

I have always wanted to see Washington DC so this will be a great opportunity to do so. We will look to you to tell us where to stay, a roof at reasonable prices as we only plan to sleep there and will not see the room much! Although I sure loved the valet parking in Kansas City. Think driving in DC would be a mistake parking must be a real problem. Sort of like Seattle, it cost me $18 to park for 4 hours the last time I was downtown there. Not much of a deal, I am used to Portland prices that are more like $1 an hour. I will love a city that has cabs...there are some here but it is nothing like being able to just go outside and wave for one. Guess that is our punishment for our laid back way of life out west.

If we plan now, we could do some little thing to further woodblock....lets hear some suggestions, bareners. A little mini baren conference????
Best to all,
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Message 5
From: FurryPressII #
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:44:28 EDT
Subject: [Baren 25461] baren exchange 20
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always nice to receive -- interesting collection of work with many varied
methods some of which i intend to try in the future.

john center
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Message 6
From: Robert Swain Charles
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:56:11 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25462] About Prints, Art and Ideas
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British Colonial Governor of Virginia, Sir William Berkeley "I thank God
there are no free schools, nor printing, and I hope we shall not have these
hundred years; for learning has brought disobedience into the world, and
printing has divulged them and libels against the best governments. God keep
us from both!"

If these words were held as law then America would not have known Paul
Revere, William Bradford, Fredrick Douglass, and perhaps you know even more
than I can mention.

When is a print political?

Better question- when is a print *not* political? Seems inherent to the
media to me.

Is it possible to make any form of art without ideas? Even Pollock's work
was propagandized as a 'result of America's freedom of expression'.

The question of a print as 'art' or 'craft' is political.

The idea of 'numbering and signing' as opposed to 'not numbering or signing'
your prints is political.

The question about the table router (which I have worked around for years
without actually going through with the idea to pull a print from) as
opposed to using strictly 'traditional carving' (whatever that means-to you)
is *highly* political.

The idea of a 'round table' is political-when various merits inherent in the
shape are *discussed* with others.

Art is decision making and the final product contains ideas, good or bad,
like it or not. Hopefully we can continue to share our ideas without crying
out that one idea is 'too political' to handle. We all know one another
through the 'information superhighway'. Deal with it like an adult by
keeping your, 'I'm disturbed' remarks to yourself, else suffer the wrath of
millions of TROLLS that will visit to simply start you up -again.
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Message 7
From: Daniel Dew
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:04:42 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25463] Re: About Prints, Art and Ideas
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Please, enough of this, move on.

Daniel L. Dew
CapStar Leasing
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Message 8
From: Janet Hollander
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:22:55 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25464] Re: political print exchange
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Myron Turner wrote:

>the initial post about Steve Kurtz and his group CAE (sent by Charles) is
>about art and artists and the dangers of being an artist in today's
>political environment. I agree with Sharri that we often post about
>peripheral matters on this list---including children, grandchildren,
>travel, etc. It would be a shame to relegate all of this to After Five,
>since this kind of "irrelevance" adds some human presence to the list. In
>the same way, posts like the one about Steve Kurtz reveal something of the
>social/political contexts in which we practice our art. The difference for
>many people between these two kinds of posts, it seems to me, is that the
>one is controversial and the other is not. We are being asked not to be
>controversial, and as long as what we post is non-controversial, we seem to
>be able to say most anything.

This is well said, Myron. One can't be always certain of what will be
considered political, though, or even controversial. In the case of
Kurtz/CAE, it's a story I had missed (though my artist friends were way
ahead of me on this story) and I loved learning it on our Forum; it was a
humanizing element, reminding me that we all live in a world beyond our
studios. I welcome hearing about how that world impinges on our work,
especially with members living all over the globe. Years ago I worked with
Russian dissident artists who were arriving dozens at a time in Jersey city.
What stories they had! And it was deep in their work. I regret that we can't
figure out how to include that in BarenForum. Though the real goods on the
forum is all that amazing wonderful technical info from around the globe.

NimbleJacks Design
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Message 9
From: GWohlken
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:48:12 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25465] Link to Article re James Mundie's Work
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James, your link to the article on your work has a period at the end of
the word "html" which leads to a page that "doesn't exist". So if
anyone wants to read the article, make sure there is no period at the
end of the address. In fact, here it is again corrected:

I saw the reference to woodblock, by the way, and it's a good article
and helps explain you, James.
:-) You and your prodigies, me with my vampires -- I think there's
some like-mindedness in there somewhere.

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Message 10
From: "Ramsey Household"
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:21:58 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25466] Re: political for "After 5"
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Who decides what is appropriate? I think you have the right idea. If this
discussion bothers you, don't read it. Almost all ideas are potentially

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Message 11
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:24:22 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25467] Re: political print exchange
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Janet wrote:
>Years ago I worked with Russian dissident artists who were arriving dozens
>at a time in Jersey city. What stories they had! And it was deep in their work.
>I regret that we can't figure out how to include that in BarenForum.

It is in our work on Baren. It is visual not vervbal.

To quote a book called VINCENT PRICE Tresury of American art:
"I have tried to talk about artists and their times and what caused them as
visual reproters to paint the way they did. Some, caught up in making a
living at art, conformed to the prevailing taste of their time, while others
dared to perr into a brighter future outside of current modes and moods.
Both kinds of artists have their place, for art is one of the few fields of
human endeavor where the creative instinct is honestly autonomous. The
follower of fashion can be as honest as the leader of the rebellion against

We can talk all day but everytime we create we create about the world around
us, each in their individual way. Stop arguing and get to work and put your
thoughts in print!!!

That said I need a break. I think I will leave the list for awhile, so I
can get some peace from it all. And think clearly on my own.

Do not fear, I will be back and my #21 print is in the works and will arrive
on time if I can find the peace to work.

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Message 12
From: Lana Lambert
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:22:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 25468] Ever had one of those days?
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Some days you just want to pick something up and throw
it...and then you remember that that is not a good
dicision and try to be as zen as you possibly can. I
have redrawn my Exchange 21 image twice and am just
going ahead with my current design but I'm just going
nuts. I couldn't find my vermillion ink pad yesterday
and was about to scream. Here was my solution. I got
a wide mouth jelly jar and cut some old etching press
felt for a thick felt disk. I didn't have any
vermillion dry pigment so I first soaked the felts in
vermillion sumi ink and then poured in a little conola
oil. I figured that the water in the ink would
evaporate and leave the oil and that would create a
paste. It was a day ago that I left the lid off of it
and haven't checked it yet. Anyone want to guess as
to what I will find? I have no idea. I arrived home
from studio and found my ink and seal on my dresser.
I wanted to scream again. So, apparently I'm at a
loss for short term memory.

-trying not to thud my head on my bench hook too hard-

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Message 13
From: John and Michelle Morrell
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:22:02 -0800
Subject: [Baren 25469] Getting Dick Blick to Ship Quick (ha, ha, ha)
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David Bull recently wrote:

On Maria's recommendation, I picked up one of the small presses from
Dick Blick. Correction - I _tried_ to. When I placed the order more
than three weeks ago, their auto-reply said the item was in stock, but
I still see no movement at all on the tracking page. Certainly can't
recommend their service ... As for the press itself, if it ever does
get here, I'll let you know!

I've been using that cute little portable press for years but getting it to
Alaska was a bear. Nothing compared to getting a really good press to
Alaska but definitely not easy. Getting it to Japan should be an adventure.

David, if I may, I'd suggest you call their toll free customer service
number (if they still have one) and see how they are shipping or where the
ball stopped rolling if they haven't shipped yet. Mine took well over 6
weeks and arrived in two packages, and the shipping was strange but I've
forgotten the details.

Michelle Morrell
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Message 14
From: bettewappner #
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:18:29 +0000
Subject: [Baren 25470] Re: SGC
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Great Idea! If I can make it, I'd love to help at the booth and do
waterbased demos and represent Baren. It would be so much fun :)

> Shireen,
> I think we should get as many people from Baren as possible to go
to SGC...
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Message 15
From: eli griggs
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:58:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 25471] Re: Thanks for the input - Political Agenda exchange
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Hi there:

"why associate "" at all with the
Political Agenda Exchange ??????"

The 'why' is quite simple. As this exchange is the
product a Baren discussion and, if it comes off, will
feature the work of Baren artists/printmakers, it is
only natural that the association with Baren be
acknowledged from the start.

As a contributing member, I am proud of my membership
in this forum, and I see no reason in the world for me
(or any other) to hide that from anyone. This forum
promotes the work of it's members in many ways and to
do less for this exchange or members simply because
some object to the VERY Broad Category of it's theme,
would be improper and smacks of the 'politics' of

I will also point out that a number of members have
expressed support for having a regular Baren exchange
with the wide ranging category of 'politics' as a
woodcut theme. Taking this exchange/discussion off
site (off shore?) does nothing to resolve the

I have no idea what woodcuts will be submitted, what
subject will be broached or even how I, myself will
approach the block, but I do know that when I begin to
carve I, as a Baren member will be working in a
traditional medium, with traditional tools and a
traditional subject matter, as was
set-up to preserve And promote!


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Message 16
From: Mike Lyon
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 07:03:24 -0500
Subject: [Baren 25472] Re: Exchange 22??
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Barbara Patera wrote:
>Will the exchange 22 sign up be starting July 1 or has there been some change?

Hello, all... This is your
-- I have returned to Kansas City after an absolutely fantastic two weeks
in Colorado at Anderson Ranch Arts Center and am currently wading through a
zillion urgent emails including this week-old reminder that I completely
zoned about Exchange #22 !!! YIKES!!!

I AM SO SORRY, FOLKS !!! A few people appear to have signed up using an
old form left over from a previous exchange. In the interest of 'fairness'
I am going to ignore those and we'll begin the sign-up for #22 tomorrow
morning, July 8, about 26 hours from now, at (chuban -- about 10" x
7.5" -- no theme)...

Exchange #22 will be available for sign-up tomorrow morning, July 8

Sign-up begins at 3:00 p.m. of July 8th (GMT). All interested members may
sign up at that time, however those members who participated in the
previous exchange (#21) will appear on the "Waiting List" list for the
first week of sign-up (through 2:59:59 p.m. of July 15th (GMT) in order to
encourage broadest participation in each exchange.

Note: the actual moment of startup has been selected in order that the
largest possible number of [Baren] members will be awake. Given the global
range of our group this is difficult, but the huge width of the Pacific
Ocean gives us a 'window' of opportunity; while the Pacific sleeps, the
rest of the world is awake. So here is a rough guide to the time...
3:00 pm GMT is about 5 am in Honolulu, 8 am in Los Angeles, 10 am in
Chicago and Mexico, 11 am in New York, noon for Brazilians, 4 pm in London,
6 pm in Israel and Athens, afternoon/evening for those in Europe and the
Middle East, 11 pm in Hong Kong and Perth, Australia, midnight in Japan and
1 am on the 2nd in Sydney, Australia...

When calculating the exact moment of sign-up for your particular time zone,
please remember that GMT does not change during the summer; it is a
year-round stable base of reference. If your local zone does use summer
time, you will have to make the necessary adjustment ... If you are
confused about how to find the correct time, please visit the Time Zone
Converter page for assistance.

After the first week, those who were placed on the Waiting List because
they participated in the previous exchange will be moved to the end of the
list. Subsequent sign-ups will be appended to the list in the order they
were time-stamped by our server. The first thirty who signed up will appear
in the "Subscription list" and the rest will appear in the "Waiting List".

(Anyone who will be 'on holiday' or away from their computer during their
particular sign-up period should make arrangements with a friend to make
the sign-up for them.)

Again, so sorry for the inconvenience!

-- Mike

Mike Lyon