Today's postings

  1. [Baren 25448] posting to after 5 (Wanda Robertson)
  2. [Baren 25449] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V27 #2708 (Jul 5, 2004) (GWohlken)
  3. [Baren 25450] Re: calendaring press ... (David Bull)
  4. [Baren 25451] Politics in Art? (ArtfulCarol #
  5. [Baren 25452] congratulations, art and politics (Charles Morgan)
  6. [Baren 25453] Thanks for the input - Political Agenda exchange (baron #
  7. [Baren 25454] political for "After 5" (bettewappner #
  8. [Baren 25455] Re: political for "After 5" (bettewappner #
  9. [Baren 25456] Re: Thanks for the input - Political Agenda exchange (Julio.Rodriguez #
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Message 1
From: Wanda Robertson
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:38:16 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25448] posting to after 5
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Here is the address to post to the after5 list:

Something seems to be out of whack on the subscription page - so if you
want to sign up (regular or digest version) just let me know.

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Message 2
From: GWohlken
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:37:53 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25449] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V27 #2708 (Jul 5, 2004)
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Archivist's note: Message of apology re yesterday's accidental posting of a message intended for council
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Message 3
From: David Bull
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:05:23 +0900
Subject: [Baren 25450] Re: calendaring press ...
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Sharri wrote:
> I assume that the paper is dampened and then put it through the press
> under quite a lot of pressure - is that correct? David, did you find
> a press you can use for that?

On Maria's recommendation, I picked up one of the small presses from
Dick Blick. Correction - I _tried_ to. When I placed the order more
than three weeks ago, their auto-reply said the item was in stock, but
I still see no movement at all on the tracking page. Certainly can't
recommend their service ... As for the press itself, if it ever does
get here, I'll let you know!

> And, your Beautiful Women print # 1 is exquisite.

Thank you! Glad to see it arrived safely ...

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Message 4
From: ArtfulCarol #
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:37:30 EDT
Subject: [Baren 25451] Politics in Art?
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Connie said:
"If a person is politcally active,he/she will find ways to comment on that
through their art"

I am very active for certain causes, but do not share that with Baren because
I do not think it is appropriate on this forum.
However, if there is something said that I do not think is the truth I may
correct it or disregard it. Remember the Delete button?!
Irvington, NY.
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Message 5
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 09:47:13 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25452] congratulations, art and politics
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I have been out of touch for a while because I was on the road. It was
interesting to read the posts when I returned.

First ... let me congratulate those of you who have had such great
recognition with your art. You should feel justifiably pleased. And you
serve as good role models for the rest of us to keep up our work to the
highest standards of which we are capable.

Second, I do not like to read on Baren the political rants of my fellow
artists, regardless of their views. I do not regard this forum as a good
place for the open exchange of political opinions.

Having said that, I DO think this forum is a good medium for the exchange
of information about artists who run foul of the law, for political or
other reasons. One can post pointers to more complete information without
making lengthy political statements. If you are interested, go to the
pointers and take appropriate action or not. If you are not interested,
PLEASE refrain from making commentary. either pro or con.

Simply posting an announcement that some artist is in trouble as a result
of their art should not be taken as a political statement. Such a posting
does not require any commentary from the rest of us. Those making such
postings may, of necessity, need to provide a little background, but it
should be kept to an absolute minimum.

I would like to urge us to be concerned about the welfare of artists
world-wide and to continue to post notices of legal problems faced by
artists as a result of pursuing their art. I would also like to urge us all
to show maturity and NOT to make political comment about such postings on
this forum.

Not everyone subscribes to "after 5" nor do they wish to for a variety of
reasons. The Baren forum is essentially about relief printmaking, but that
does not mean that we should ignore legal problems facing fellow artists.
News items about shows or new tools are of interest ... and news items
about legal problems of artists are of interest. Political commentary is
not of interest.

Well, .... at least that is my view .....

Cheers ....... Charles
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Message 6
From: baron #
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:19:25 +1000
Subject: [Baren 25453] Thanks for the input - Political Agenda exchange
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Thanks all of you who have put in such stimulating input on the political
agenda exchange (still using my title). Already I have made some changes to
the pages that are posted and added in a page of publicly made quotes from
the list.

If this is the talk now, with nothing made, then the artwork that comes out
of this ought to be really stimulating and worth while! The ideology of the
deed might yet triumph!



Lawrence Finn

PS Connie, I've set the quotes on their own page to clarify that they are
opinions and thoughts. Just my way of mitigating against the nature of
suggestions and commands...
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Message 7
From: bettewappner #
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 3:24:47 +0000
Subject: [Baren 25454] political for "After 5"
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hey Baren kids.....this non-political woodblock Girl is on vacation and
guess what happens to all the Baren posts that have the subject of
politics??? they go in my trash. but i'll be honest with you.....when i
go home and i'm not on vacation, guess where the political posts will my trash.

but really....i'm not a total loser because i believe the political posts
belong in our handy dandy "After 5" group. i might read them there.
sign up for it at

i believe that as woodblock artists we 'should' be informed, but only
where its appropriate.

love to my friends,
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Message 8
From: bettewappner #
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 3:52:14 +0000
Subject: [Baren 25455] Re: political for "After 5"
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Forgive me if i've given my opinions prematurely to this subject
matter. i'm trying to catch up on my emails and i was so surprised to
see so many posts on this subject. if a request has been made to
have another exchange with a political theme - that is fine - BUT....we
just had a political exchange called War and Peace Exchange #17.
forgive me again if this has been brought up. there are just way too
many posts for me to read. but do we really want that many political
exchanges in this type of woodblock group? is one per year suitable
or appropriate for this kind of group?


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Message 9
From: Julio.Rodriguez #
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:33:48 -0500
Subject: [Baren 25456] Re: Thanks for the input - Political Agenda exchange
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"Already I have made some changes to the pages that are posted and added
in a page of publicly made quotes from
the list."

Hi Lawrence, thanks for your efforts to redirect the political talk OFF
our woodblock printmaking forum. Could you please make one more change ?
The name of our group is BAREN .... B-A-R-E-N..... not Baron....baron is
the prefix in your personal email id. Thanks. Love that quote from Dante!.

Speaking as a member, I certainly would not want any postings I make on
this forum.....BAREN....political or be posted or quoted on any
other website.
I am afraid all the references & quotes to the Baren site on the Political
Agenda Exchange website rather than redirect.... it has quite the opposite least that's how I am perceiving it....why associate
"" at all with the Political Agenda Exchange ??????

On the subject of censorship....our moderator (Wanda) does not censor the
postings, they go thru as written. There is no filter, there is no
5-second delay machine ! Also Baren does not censor artwork submitted by
our never has....many of the prints in our past exchanges
are of a VERY strong political and/or religious viewpoint. We have also
had a religious exchange dedicated to the 'Text Messages' and more
recently exchange #17 which was titled "War & Peace". No print has ever
been rejected from any exchange and the subject of artistic censorship has
NEVER been up for discussion by our group since our humble start in 1997.
I think we are all very proud of this. Also our exchange prints have
been exhibited in many venues across the world w/o much thought or
discussion as to political correctness and/or religious connotations or
reverberations from outside groups.

I believe the objections raised by many of our members are not in regards
to making or submitting political artwork to the Baren itself...anything
goes here ! ...but their concerns relate only to promoting online
discussion of such sensitive subjects as discussed above which when
prolonged and fueled by attacks and counter-attacks....only serve to
detract from our main focus: woodblock printmaking.

thanks....Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois)