Today's postings
- [Baren 23509] Re: Karen Kunc's printing technique (FurryPressII # aol.com)
- [Baren 23510] Re: Karen Kunc's printing technique (Wanda)
- [Baren 23511] Re: exchange 18a ("MPereira")
- [Baren 23512] Re: Karen Kunc's printing technique (David Bull)
- [Baren 23513] originals (Barbara Mason)
Message 1
From: FurryPressII # aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:48:17 EST
Subject: [Baren 23509] Re: Karen Kunc's printing technique
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There has been the artist printed and cut debate vs the master printer-artist
collaboration. Mostly I find the prints made by the print publisher-master
printer to be perfect in process such as registration, etc., but rather cold
and with less feeling than work printed by the artist.
Even though both Japanese wood cuts and western wood engravings were printed
in a collaborative format.
Japanese wood cuts are shown in the Tom Cruise movie. Which i generally liked
but they could have left out the sub-plot between the two Americans.
Hollywood's version of american history esp when it deals with native americans has
nothing to do with Japanese history. But this is a rather minor problem with the
movie.
john center
collaboration. Mostly I find the prints made by the print publisher-master
printer to be perfect in process such as registration, etc., but rather cold
and with less feeling than work printed by the artist.
Even though both Japanese wood cuts and western wood engravings were printed
in a collaborative format.
Japanese wood cuts are shown in the Tom Cruise movie. Which i generally liked
but they could have left out the sub-plot between the two Americans.
Hollywood's version of american history esp when it deals with native americans has
nothing to do with Japanese history. But this is a rather minor problem with the
movie.
john center
Message 2
From: Wanda
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:47:37 -0800
Subject: [Baren 23510] Re: Karen Kunc's printing technique
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No, I don't think there is anything *wrong* with having an assistant. It's
just a (very) personal quirk of mine to have more respect and admiration for
someone who is directly involved in the *whole* process of printmaking.
Maybe it is because I myself enjoy the whole process so much. Of course if
I were making zillions of $$$$s off my prints - I would probably think it
was perfectly O.K. for me to dictate my ideas to my (well-paid) secretary
and she could ship those ideas off to an excellent artist, then to a well
known craftsman/carver who in turn could turn them over to a master printer
(right-handed of course [that's a joke, you lefties!) and in turn be turned
over to a former Madison Avenue adman/soap opera star who could hawk them
for me on the Home Shopping Network. And of course that is all perfectly
legal & morally O.K. to do. But is it?
This is all in my own weird mind - has nothing at all to do with Baren or
water-base or oily stuff or left handed people. And probably more to do
with not having an assistant of my very own.
But, seriously folks. How do you feel about a famous painter going to a
printmaking studio, where the resident printmakers print up some stuff - the
famous person signs the results & they are sold (at very high prices) as
originals by this famous painter?
Just wondering here in rainy, rainy, Oregon with a leaky roof that needs
something done to it *today* in the rain!
Wanda
just a (very) personal quirk of mine to have more respect and admiration for
someone who is directly involved in the *whole* process of printmaking.
Maybe it is because I myself enjoy the whole process so much. Of course if
I were making zillions of $$$$s off my prints - I would probably think it
was perfectly O.K. for me to dictate my ideas to my (well-paid) secretary
and she could ship those ideas off to an excellent artist, then to a well
known craftsman/carver who in turn could turn them over to a master printer
(right-handed of course [that's a joke, you lefties!) and in turn be turned
over to a former Madison Avenue adman/soap opera star who could hawk them
for me on the Home Shopping Network. And of course that is all perfectly
legal & morally O.K. to do. But is it?
This is all in my own weird mind - has nothing at all to do with Baren or
water-base or oily stuff or left handed people. And probably more to do
with not having an assistant of my very own.
But, seriously folks. How do you feel about a famous painter going to a
printmaking studio, where the resident printmakers print up some stuff - the
famous person signs the results & they are sold (at very high prices) as
originals by this famous painter?
Just wondering here in rainy, rainy, Oregon with a leaky roof that needs
something done to it *today* in the rain!
Wanda
Message 3
From: "MPereira"
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:28:42 -0200
Subject: [Baren 23511] Re: exchange 18a
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> p.s. off doing research for "shunga shunga, or more shunga"
Please show us the resarch
Please show us the resarch
Message 4
From: David Bull
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:14:33 +0900
Subject: [Baren 23512] Re: Karen Kunc's printing technique
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Wanda wrote:
> But, seriously folks. How do you feel about a famous painter going to a
> printmaking studio, where the resident printmakers print up some stuff - the
> famous person signs the results & they are sold (at very high prices) as
> originals by this famous painter?
Are you familiar with the major controversy that is going on these days
on just this topic - with the Warhol stuff? Here are a couple of
stories on it ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/3215199.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F10%2F26%2Fwart26.xml
Some extracts:
> The Andy Warhol Authentication Board has decreed that only artworks the
> artist was directly involved in producing can be considered a Warhol original
> The serious problem facing the authentication board, however, is that
> Warhol, having come up with the concept for a work, often delegated the
> manual labour to other people - thereby making it difficult to
> ascertain who "made" the piece.
> John Paul Russell, his printer during the 1980s, said: "I had never
> seen Andy Warhol even once come down to the studio in Tribeca to watch
> his work being printed." Many of the artist's instructions to the
> printers were by telephone.
> Paul Morrissey, Warhol's former manager, said: "The whole point about
> Warhol was that he mass-produced works. That's why he called it a
> factory."
Dave
> But, seriously folks. How do you feel about a famous painter going to a
> printmaking studio, where the resident printmakers print up some stuff - the
> famous person signs the results & they are sold (at very high prices) as
> originals by this famous painter?
Are you familiar with the major controversy that is going on these days
on just this topic - with the Warhol stuff? Here are a couple of
stories on it ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/3215199.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F10%2F26%2Fwart26.xml
Some extracts:
> The Andy Warhol Authentication Board has decreed that only artworks the
> artist was directly involved in producing can be considered a Warhol original
> The serious problem facing the authentication board, however, is that
> Warhol, having come up with the concept for a work, often delegated the
> manual labour to other people - thereby making it difficult to
> ascertain who "made" the piece.
> John Paul Russell, his printer during the 1980s, said: "I had never
> seen Andy Warhol even once come down to the studio in Tribeca to watch
> his work being printed." Many of the artist's instructions to the
> printers were by telephone.
> Paul Morrissey, Warhol's former manager, said: "The whole point about
> Warhol was that he mass-produced works. That's why he called it a
> factory."
Dave
Message 5
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:03:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 23513] originals
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Dave,
This is really interesting, thanks for finding it for us. I think Andy Warhol would love this whole mess, finding it totally amusing. This is a case where numbering and signing would have been very. very important....at least signing.
Artists have been using assistants forever, but to never go to the studio where your work is produced is a bit odd....I would want to see work that had my name on it....however as I am not famous (except on baren) I guess I won't worry about it!
I have been asked to jury a couple of shows lately, so maybe that is its own small fame. Ha.
Best to all,
Barbara
This is really interesting, thanks for finding it for us. I think Andy Warhol would love this whole mess, finding it totally amusing. This is a case where numbering and signing would have been very. very important....at least signing.
Artists have been using assistants forever, but to never go to the studio where your work is produced is a bit odd....I would want to see work that had my name on it....however as I am not famous (except on baren) I guess I won't worry about it!
I have been asked to jury a couple of shows lately, so maybe that is its own small fame. Ha.
Best to all,
Barbara