Baren Digest                Sunday, 20 July 2003        Volume 24 : Number 2311


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From: "Gillyin Gatto" <gillying#Maineline.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:12:06 -0400
Subject: [Baren 22277] fear vs love on Jacoulet's work 

the only part of your art criticism , MYRON < that i would take
acception to is saying

" of which they are not an authentic representation "

we can each  like or dislike Jacoulet's work according to our own
preferences and values, but I maintain that Jacoulet WAS
certainly immersed in a Japanese homosexual tradition--which was
authentic to Japan and to him.

Just because we did not know about it  or are perhaps repulsed by
it , does not mean it is not real or valuable

the print DAVE shows as an example of creepy to him-- for me- 
this study of an older man with a shoulder slung basket simply
heightens the poignancy of Jacoulet's work -for me- we see him
responding to aging in his typically unflinching manner. his use
of the rainbow   for me signifies his  open accepting attitude to
whatever  indignity life can bring the rainbow is a longtime 
symbol of the liberation of of gays as well as a symbol of hope
the indignity of growing old is universal

really  Myron and all --please-- do not feel attacked by my use
of the word "homophobia" it is not meant to say anyone is bad if
they felt it . everyone has it it is simply a fact of american
cultural life i had it when I came out twenty four years ago

we WERE ALL conditioned to be afraid of or feel "creepy" about
all things gay/homosexual

we each need to  un- learn  that fear- - --for that is what it
is,   fear ,   as opposed to love---

we each unlearn it at our own pace...

so feel free to feel creepy or not creepy as you all see fit !!

i myself don't  understand the use of the word decadent-(falling
to ruin) how is this seen in these prints ? or is it actually
ones own response to the cultural content of the print - -that it
is a " decadent lifestyle" being portrayed - ---this is obviously
a matter of opinion DE GUSTIBUS NON DISPUTANDEM  EST

our response the the "NUDE"--- the body----- is also culturally
conditioned and subjective--- i would offer the idea that the
male and female figures are really much more similar than
different because we are all first-- HUMAN ANIMALS-- and we all
reside somewhere on a very wide and  diverse continuum of how we
look and how we express our sexuality

in my opinion Jacoulet was a very aware, compassionate, gifted 
individual

one could fantacize - ------ a meeting of Jacoulet and Walt
Whitman - ------------ who said "I celebrate myself , and sing
myself , and what I assume you shall assume , for every atom
belonging to me as good belongs to you "

Gillyin




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From: FurryPressII#aol.com
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:49:23 EDT
Subject: [Baren 22278] Re: Baren Digest V24 #2309 



mary it is this aug.   18 - 20 in ann arbor mi      chech out woodengravers 
web site for details

john



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From: barebonesart <barebonesart#comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:23:27 -0700
Subject: [Baren 22279] Re: Baren Digest V24 #2310 

The "Nazi" symbol in Jacolet's work was mentioned by someone. I have this to
contribute about that symbol.  First, it is from very early goddess
worshiping civilizations (Native American included) .  It depicts the
turning of the year with its four solar festivals, the equinoxes and the
solstices.  The solar swastika is the Gnostic world symbol with four of its
shafts erased, to convey a more definite feeling of movement. Therefore, it
was often viewed as an emblem of the inexorable progress of time.  It goes
back to at least 10,000 BC, greatly preceeding the Nazi's, who obviously
appropriated it, because it fit their perceived ideology.    If the arms of
the cross point clockwise it represents the sun, counter clockwise, the
moon.  The Nazi's tilted it and claimed it because they thought it was a
"pure Aryan" sumbol - unfortunately, this is not true! Seems they were wrong
about everything.  Swastika is Sanskrit for "so be it".

I would think Jacoulet was using it in the sense that it has been found on
images of Buddha in Japan from very early times and it had nothing to do
with Germany.  But, that's just speculation & deduction on my part.

Happy Printing,
Sharri 



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From: FurryPressII#aol.com
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:11:17 EDT
Subject: [Baren 22280] Re: Baren Digest V24 #2310 



> 
> images of Buddha in Japan from very early times and it had nothing to do
> with Germany.  But, that's just speculation &deduction on my part.
> 
> Happy Printing,
> 


that would depend of the time of his use of the crocked cross    remember 
Japan was an ally of Germany during the war.  So depending on the time frame it 
might not be so innocent.  

john    


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From: "Carole Baker" <caroleb#gustavus.ak.us>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:43:32 -0800
Subject: [Baren 22281] http://barenforum.org/temporary/oleai.jpg  

Dave said:


>How about this one?

http://barenforum.org/temporary/oleai.jpg

Not a pretty picture; that's one ugly dude. I would guess its a likeness of
some person Jocoulet saw and were I to run into him I'd definitely have a
case of the creeps.  I didn't find that one in my book.  I'm wondering if it
is a watercolor rather than a print...the clouds and water seem to have a
painterly uneveness that the prints don't have, and there appears to be more
writing than just a signature and there isn't a seal that I can see.

Carole Baker






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From: FurryPressII#aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 07:15:45 EDT
Subject: [Baren 22282] Re: http://barenforum.org/temporary/oleai.jpg -


I bet joucolet has been mentioned more on the baren list in the last two 
weeks than he has been mentioned anywhere in the last ten years.

I personally had never heard of him before this out break of joucoletitis and 
I have a fair collection of books on printmaking and the history of same.  At 
best I find him a foot note in Japanese printmaking as he came after the end 
of Ukiyo-e printmaking and was not a member of the "creative prints" movement. 
 It is rather telling that he is not mentioned in Micheners Japanese Prints 
FROM THE EARLY MASTERS TO THE MODERN.

I suggest we move on.

john "furrypress" center


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