Baren Digest               Thursday, 3 July 2003       Volume 24 : Number 2288


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From: Aqua4tis#aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 16:13:21 EDT
Subject: [Baren 22071] Re: 2nd Lessedra Miniprint Annual 2003 



In a message dated 7/2/2003 12:53:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
ar_alnaim#yahoo.com writes:


> http://www.worldprintmakers.com/english/lessend.htm .
> 


hi arafat
   i clicked on the url but nothing came up
georga



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From: Relief_Printmaking <ar_alnaim#yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:30:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 22072] Re: 2nd Lessedra Miniprint Annual 2003 

Dear Georga,
Try this
http://www.worldprintmakers.com/english/lessend.htm
B.RGDS
Arafat
- --- Aqua4tis#aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 7/2/2003 12:53:48 PM Pacific
> Daylight Time, 
> ar_alnaim#yahoo.com writes:
> 

> >

> http://www.worldprintmakers.com/english/lessend.htm
> .

> > 

> 
> hi arafat
>    i clicked on the url but nothing came up
> georga
> 


=====
Arafat Al-Naim
Ph.D. in Graphic Arts - Printmaking
National Fine Art Academy Sofia/Bulgaria


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From: "Andy English" <a.english#virgin.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:17:19 +0100
Subject: [Baren 22073] Exchange 18 

Phew! - made it in at number 30!

My first exchange in a while - looking forwards to seeing what you all come
up with.

Mind you, this will be quite a big print for me :)

Andy



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From: "Lopas, Matthew" <Lopas#mercury.hendrix.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:59:14 -0500 
Subject: [Baren 22074] RE: Exchange 18 

I need to be removed from your fine email list, Matthew Lopas


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From: G Wohlken <blueman#pantek.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:55:09 -0400
Subject: [Baren 22075] Re: Baren Digest V24 #2287 

Arafat, thank you for sending the link.  Nice prints  We have not heard 
from you on Baren in such a long time, I was happy to see you post 
something again.  

~Gayle



>
>I have put some information about Second International
>
>lessedra Miniprint Annual 2003 on World Printmakers.
>Have a look and see what you think:
>http://www.worldprintmakers.com/english/lessend.htm .
>Best Regards
>Arafat Al-Naim
>
>
>
>  >




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From: FurryPressII#aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:23:11 EDT
Subject: [Baren 22076] Re: Exchange #18 (small exchange) update... 



if we get any more folks in the small print exchange i would be willing to 
organize a second small print exchange    first 30 if reg exchange  and the over 
flow in a second one

John "furrypressii" center



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From: David Bull <davebull#woodblock.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 08:12:21 +0900
Subject: [Baren 22077] Re: Hon Baren 'problem' 

Mike wrote:


> So the 'odometer' on the baren is at 200 oban size flat area printings 
> and those high spots are still cutting right through the cover.  What 
> do you suggest?


At 200 ... you haven't even started yet, Mike.  That twisted bamboo is 
extremely tough, and that's just the way you want it. You're about my 
age ( :-) ) ... so even if you become almost a full-time printer, that 
baren is going to be your companion for the rest of your working life. 
It will 'wear down' only very very slowly ....

There _is_ an established technique to solve your current problem 
though. It's described on a page of our (neglected) Encyclopedia:

http://www.barenforum.org/encyclopedia/topics/001/001_frame.html

Look for the link to 'Breaking in a New Baren'

Dave




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From: "Maria Arango" <maria#mariarango.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 16:58:08 -0700
Subject: [Baren 22079] ...and speaking of puzzles 

Puzzle update!
16/44 puzzle pieces received to date
Deadline: August 31, 2003
Theme: What is Baren?
Address to send your puzzle piece and all the info:
http://www.1000woodcuts.com/puzzle/project.html

CUT! CUT! CUT!

Maria

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          Maria Arango
       maria#mariarango.com
       Las Vegas Nevada USA
  http://www.1000woodcuts.com
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From: "Gilda Zimmerling" <gemzeditionz#earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 17:7:32 -0700
Subject: [Baren 22080] email change 

My new  email is gemz8#netzero.net
You can still reach me at this email for a couple more days.
 Gilda Zimmerling
 
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From: Wanda <robertson#canby.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 18:29:18 -0700
Subject: [Baren 22081] message from Sharen Linders 

This just in from Sharen:

Hi, Everyone,

I also would prefer to enlarge the number of participants for
Exchange #18.  I think that the unusual size will challenge us
to some terrific prints!

Sharen


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From: Wanda <robertson#canby.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 18:35:23 -0700
Subject: [Baren 22082] Re: from Jean Eger 

Hi Frank,

Sure can!

Wanda
PS:  Really good to meet you at KC & I loved your table print!  Don't know
how you managed to do such a good print on such terrrrrible wood!  Laying on
the table must have been the key!



on 7/2/03 9:37 AM, Frank Trueba at ftrueba#cats.ucsc.edu wrote:


> Hi Wanda,
> 
> Could you get this to Jean. Thanks
> frank
> 
> Hi Jean,
> 
> I wasn't really advocating a "small" exchange (and I am aware of
> the Swap Shop) but rather reminding folks that the July 1st sign-up
> was approaching and that there had been a past conversation to make
> it a "small" print "theme" soon after Mike Lyon posted those fantastic
> small prints he did a few months ago. Looks we've gone ahead to set
> up Exchange #18 as a small image on chu-ban paper size. The
> subject theme for Exchange 18 is "open."
> 
> Excepts from the Exchange 18 sign up page:
> * Theme: open
> * Paper: chu-ban about 10 x 7 1/2 inches (25.4 x 19 cm).
> * IMAGE SIZE: 8 square inches (50 square cm) in any proportion
> which will fit the paper (+/- 5%).
> For example: 8" x 1", 6" x 1 1/3", 4" x 2", 2.8" x 2.8", etc
> 
> If you want more details or to sign-up, you can go to:
> http://barenforum.org/exchange/exchange_sign-up.html
> 
> Take care,
> frank
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 09:08 AM 7/2/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>> This just came from Jean:
>> 
>> 
>> Frank,
>> We have postcard exchanges for really small prints like what you are talking
>> about.  I think the 10x15 size is a good one, OR chuban, I forget what they
>> are called.  Then you can make the image 3x3 with wide margins, if you want.
>> What's the theme, Frank?
>> 
>> Julio,
>> Can you give us a list of who is in the Skokie show?  I'd like to put it on
>> my resume if I am in it.  I wish I had a place for a Baren exhibition.
>> Perhaps I'll go over to my old junior college and ask if they have a time
>> slot for a print show.  They let me have a couple of California Society of
>> Printmakers exhibitions over there, but the secretary retired, I think.  She
>> was the one who scheduled shows in that gallery.  Can you provide frames?
>> Do they screw into the wall, wired, or what?  As long as I am on the beach,
>> I might as well do my share for Baren.  I have to take more CSP stuff over
>> to the Bancroft Library, read a beautiful book about Diego Rivera, and some
>> other books, review US Government on a Standard Deviants video from the
>> library, sew a cover for a futon,  make a few castings of a torso I made a
>> mold for and start making calendars for Baren.  Also need to visit my
>> grandkids, paint some watercolors...write a curriculum or two.  You know the
>> drill, the routine.  There is no time to mourn lost love, no time for the
>> IChing and the hocus pocus, maybe the love's not lost, who knows?  I just
>> want to go back to work, darn it.  I like sitting in a classroom with a
>> bunch of wide awake young people who aren't trying to twist my mind and
>> shred my brain, who are just soaking up the standard curriculum like little
>> sponges.  There is plenty of food for thought in the novels those kids read
>> these days!
>> 
>> Jean Womack

> 
> 



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From: "carol wagner" <carolwagner#softcom.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:55:51 -0700
Subject: [Baren 22083] Contribute to the Encyclpedia, Please? 

Dear Fellow woodblock Printers who want 'equity of oil with water' on Baron
Forum.

As Julio says

<If the encyclopedia and website have taken a turn toward hanga  it is only
because of the members own contributions (or rather lack of !). Most of
what's there now was contributed by David Bull during our first three
years and it is obviously (at least the printing techniques info)
channeled toward hanga. We can all benefit from the sections on tools,
carving and sharpening.

But the encyclopedia is (and always has been ) open to all kind of
woodblock printmaking input.  It is just that nobody has been contributing
once Dave stopped. Same thing with the Baren-Suji newsletter, appeals for
general articles and contributions to the forum list usually  fall on deaf
ears. >

Amen to that, Julio!

Ok everybody, lets contribute and create the parity needed! While I
personally don't care at the moment to do any more oil ink printing. as I
have so much to learn about Hanga and I may not live long enough to do all
the things my heart desires to do in waterbased printing, that does not  for
one second mean that you all should not forge ahead and create wonderful
entries in the encyclopedia  for oil printing, while continuing  to share
opinions, discuss techniques and just educate the heck out of the rest of us
luddites! The more diversity, the merrier, say I! as long as you do it with
WOOD (excited emphasis, not 'shouting' meant), say on, fair friends...




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From: "marilynn smih" <marilynnsmih#hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 21:27:18 -0700
Subject: [Baren 22084] Re: Baren Digest V23 #2278 

Why are we arguing about oil versus water when we all want to carve wood and 
print?  Lets just do what we love and learn from each other like we did at 
the summit.  Please oil people learn and share we want to know.  We want it 
all and we can each make choices about the medium we use.  Enjoy each other 
and keep loving Baren and printmaking.
Hugs to all
Marilynn


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From: "marilynn smih" <marilynnsmih#hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 21:49:48 -0700
Subject: [Baren 22085] Re: Baren Digest V23 #2282 

Sorry when I post I seem to post several in a day.  I am trying to catch up 
on my Baren digests and find this controversy about oil versus water 
disturbing.  First of all I come to printmaking as a painter, mainly 
watercolor.  If painting with a brush on paper is the same as carving on a 
block with a knife than I must be really without a mind.  I came back to 
Baren after trying once and finiding you people too intense and than wanting 
to learn about wood block printing I returned.  Since I travel a lot I 
wanted a non toxic method and one that was color based because i have a fine 
arts degree in painting, geez color!!!  I love my oil inks and the rich tone 
and the ease of use, but they will not let me on an airplane with them.  
Sooo I need watercolor inks, I need moku hanga.  I appreciate learning about 
this medium and also I appreciate the open acceptance of lino block prints 
and oil prints in exchanges and discussions.  I would never have done any 
exchange without that acceptance and now I will do exchanges using the hanga 
techniques (I hope).  Please just learn from one another and open your 
minds.  A closed mind is an empty vessel.  Just like I thougt Kansas City 
would be ugly and flat and nasty.  It is a beautiful green city with lovely 
architecture.  Do not close your minds. open them to embrace learning and 
knowlledge.  My coastal pacific northwest is not all rain either, open your 
minds.
Marilynn


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From: Jsf73#aol.com
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 01:04:31 EDT
Subject: [Baren 22086] Re: Baren Digest V23 #2282 


Hey Marilynn (mom),

There is really no rancor, so dont worry. Just a discussion on the value of 
keeping focus on hanga printing techniques so that the forum does not shift 
inexorably away from that and into oily only techniques. 

It has more to do with the fact there are no other sites to share information 
on hanga, but there are plenty of sites on oil based woodblock printing.

No one is talking about outlawing oily people and locking them away.....

John



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From: slinders#comcast.net
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 01:09:17 -0500
Subject: [Baren 22087] Re: Contribute 

Hi, Carol,

I'm trying to figure out when and where we decided that we
needed to have an 'equity' of anything on Baren.  If you
"google" 'woodblock printmaking' the first site is our site, and
it says that we are "Home of the [Baren] discussion forum on
woodblock printmaking. Arts > Visual Arts > Printmaking > Relief
Techniques"  

I remember, and it wasn't long ago, when we were a group of
friends who happened to carve wood to print.  Through this list
we found friendship and a shared delight in making and
exchanging our art.  We seemed to all enjoy each other's work,
shared freely things that we learned about inks, paper, woods,
suppliers, presses and barens.  We encouraged those who were
trying new things, whether proficient printmakers or beginners. 
We learned about sharpening tools to carve, not to defend turf.  

We joyed in our mutual love of printmakers who came before, and
of current printmakers, and let one another know about their
exhibitions.   We hung shows of all kinds of delicious
prints...not just red ones, or green ones, not prints on only
Torinoko or on Fabriano, not only prints from Israel or from
Alaska. We hung OUR prints, as Julio is doing right now, and as
many others have done in places all over the world.  We had such
a good thing!  I'm frightened by even using the past tense here,
but it does seem as though something dreadful has happened and
the 'human beings' are taking over from the artists!

I know a bit about what I do, but I don't presume that I can put
together any sort of an encyclopedia..., certainly not with the
depth of someone who has spent decades, full-time, studying the
masters and perfecting the art and craft.  It would be like
scrawling in the sketchbook of DŸrer!  In woodblock printmaking
I'm much more the student than the teacher.

Should contributing to the encyclopedia be the entrance by which
we are permitted to speak on this forum?  I remember those happy
days when we were more alike than different, no matter where we
lived, what type of paper we used, whether we printed on a porch
or in a palace.  I believe that the Encyclopedia is an
astonishing gift, almost completely written and given freely by
David Bull.  It seems near sacrilege to imagine changing it!
- -even by the hanga experts in our midst. It should mostly stand
intact as a document that David Bull has given. There are in our
membership other authors of books on printmaking, and perhaps
even they don't feel the need to add chapters to the
Encyclopedia to be part of this forum.
 
The change from the generous inclusive spirit begun by David
Bull, to the very recent ugly tone of apartheid is at best
astonishing!

I'm wondering where the change began.  Is it because the
gathering in KC that might have been our 5th Anniversary
celebration, was instead "a gathering of printers interested in
Japanese polychrome woodblock printing"?  

Will there be a delicious hanga group-hug when all of those
pesky folks with 'stars on thar's' are gone?  Or will we have
each been somehow diminished as we shed the folks who might be a
bit different in their growth in printmaking?  
 
Will we have lost the concern and sympathy and caring that
happened when we mixed our printmaking with the Kampala
printmakers?  Will our minds be no longer stretched by the
springtime prints in autumn from printmakers on the other side
of the globe?

There's so much more to lose here than there is to be gained by
the separatism.  Look at Goya, look at Kathe Kollwitz, follow
the steps of those printmakers, and see what happens when little
differences are used to divide instead of bind together.

It has been a joy to be gathered together into this circle of
conversation in the glow of our computer screens at the end of
each day.  Can we keep our group the strong circle of friends
that met here daily just a few weeks ago? 

Sharen,
 near Chicago

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