Baren Digest               Thursday, 3 July 2003       Volume 24 : Number 2287


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From: Chelsea391#aol.com
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 09:19:39 -0400
Subject: [Baren 22051] Re: the boundaries of hanga 

John Furr wrote this - "aside from hanga technique I am interested in 
discussion of art theory as to what you should use the hanga technique for 
different works and when such techniques are not appropriate to use. While I like the 
Shin hanga landscapes of Hiroshi and Toshi Yoshida, i also love Toshi 
Yoshida's abstracts and I was really taken by the work of Michael Scheider. I would 
love to see more of such works that stretch the boundaries of hanga."

After Michael S. showed us how he works, Dave B. asked a useful
question that concerned the resiliency of wood fibers and their
ability to bounce back, so to speak, after being mashed or
hammered down. The night after that discussion I had a vivid
dream in which i was working a wood block not with knives,
gauges, or with Michael's stones but with tweezers and pliers -
anything that could grab bunches of wood fibers and twist them,
bunch them up, push them wider apart, constructing a surface
relief from the strands of the wood. Maybe this dream came also
from working in my garden, which is spread with wood chips for
mulch, plus all the woody stalks I trim and toss. Surely this is
a complete dream fantasy? Are there wood planks on which one
could reassemble the surface fibers?

Janet

Janet Kravetz hollander
NimbleJacks Design
Jersey City

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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 08:50:47 -0500
Subject: [Baren 22052] Re: Exchange #18 (small) SIGN-UP 



Cash the check!  Cash the check!  Otherwise it is so hard to balance my 
account!  Then make your (soon to be tax deductible) contribution to Baren!

- -- Mike

PS  #18 sign-up list will be updated later this morning

At 08:30 AM 7/2/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>I signed up but so far my name has not shown up    I guess I will have to 
>wait for the up date.
>Mike I do not intend to cash the refund check     so you can make it a 
>donation to baren if you wish.
>John ":furrypress" Center


Mike Lyon
mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com 

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From: Jsf73#aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:45:54 EDT
Subject: [Baren 22053] Re: the boundaries of hanga 


Wow janet, what a cool dream!

Interesting idea as well. I dont know of any wood such as you describe, 
however, you could use a normal plank and glue fibers on the suited you to come up 
with a relief. It might prove interesting...... oh to have more time, I would 
try something like this myself, maybe using coconut fibers glued on birch 
plywood.

John Furr


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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 10:22:48 -0500
Subject: [Baren 22054] Exchange #18 (small exchange) update... 

After 24 hours, Exchange #18 has 38 signed up already...  Sign-up sheet is 
at http://barenforum.org/exchange/exchange_sign-up.html

Because of the small image area (8 square inches or 50 square cm) there was 
some discussion about opening the exchange to more than 30 
participants.  That means more work for the coordinator and the production 
of larger editions for each participant.  Any thoughts on this?  It seems 
to me that asking exchange participants to produce more than the 31 prints 
described in the sign-up page might create a hardship for some printers in 
spite of the small paper and image sizes...  What do _you_ think?

- -- Mike


Mike Lyon
mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com  

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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 10:29:22 -0500
Subject: [Baren 22055] Re: Exchange #18 (small exchange) update... 

At 10:22 AM 7/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>After 24 hours, Exchange #18 has 38 signed up already...  Sign-up sheet is 
>at http://barenforum.org/exchange/exchange_sign-up.html
>
>Because of the small image area (8 square inches or 50 square cm) there 
>was some discussion about opening the exchange to more than 30 
>participants.  That means more work for the coordinator and the production 
>of larger editions for each participant.  Any thoughts on this?  It seems 
>to me that asking exchange participants to produce more than the 31 prints 
>described in the sign-up page might create a hardship for some printers in 
>spite of the small paper and image sizes...  What do _you_ think?
>
>-- Mike


Er...  Make that 39 and still counting...


Mike Lyon
mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com  

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From: Frank Trueba <ftrueba#cats.ucsc.edu>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 08:50:30 -0700
Subject: [Baren 22056] Re: Exchange #18 (small exchange) update... 

Hi all,

Well, despite the smaller size, as Mike suggests, there is still a lot
of work to produce even 31 prints.  However, I would be ok increasing
the size to 41 (including the archive print)--of course I'm saying this
without having yet designed my print nor being the coordinator.

I'll go with whatever the majority feeling on the issue is.

frank


At 10:22 AM 7/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>After 24 hours, Exchange #18 has 38 signed up already...  Sign-up sheet is 
>at http://barenforum.org/exchange/exchange_sign-up.html
>
>Because of the small image area (8 square inches or 50 square cm) there 
>was some discussion about opening the exchange to more than 30 
>participants.  That means more work for the coordinator and the production 
>of larger editions for each participant.  Any thoughts on this?  It seems 
>to me that asking exchange participants to produce more than the 31 prints 
>described in the sign-up page might create a hardship for some printers in 
>spite of the small paper and image sizes...  What do _you_ think?
>
>-- Mike
>
>
>Mike Lyon
>mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
>http://www.mlyon.com



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From: Wanda <robertson#canby.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 09:08:33 -0700
Subject: [Baren 22057] from Jean Eger 

This just came from Jean:

Frank,
We have postcard exchanges for really small prints like what you are talking
about.  I think the 10x15 size is a good one, OR chuban, I forget what they
are called.  Then you can make the image 3x3 with wide margins, if you want.
What's the theme, Frank?

Julio,
Can you give us a list of who is in the Skokie show?  I'd like to put it on
my resume if I am in it.  I wish I had a place for a Baren exhibition.
Perhaps I'll go over to my old junior college and ask if they have a time
slot for a print show.  They let me have a couple of California Society of
Printmakers exhibitions over there, but the secretary retired, I think.  She
was the one who scheduled shows in that gallery.  Can you provide frames?
Do they screw into the wall, wired, or what?  As long as I am on the beach,
I might as well do my share for Baren.  I have to take more CSP stuff over
to the Bancroft Library, read a beautiful book about Diego Rivera, and some
other books, review US Government on a Standard Deviants video from the
library, sew a cover for a futon,  make a few castings of a torso I made a
mold for and start making calendars for Baren.  Also need to visit my
grandkids, paint some watercolors...write a curriculum or two.  You know the
drill, the routine.  There is no time to mourn lost love, no time for the
IChing and the hocus pocus, maybe the love's not lost, who knows?  I just
want to go back to work, darn it.  I like sitting in a classroom with a
bunch of wide awake young people who aren't trying to twist my mind and
shred my brain, who are just soaking up the standard curriculum like little
sponges.  There is plenty of food for thought in the novels those kids read
these days!

Jean Womack


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From: Lynita Shimizu <Shimizu.nai#rcn.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:05:16 -0400
Subject: [Baren 22058] Re: Exchange #18 (small exchange) update... 

My vote is for keeping Exchange #18 at the regular size of 31 prints. 
Hate to confess to being a penny pincher, but I was  especially eager 
to sign up for a chuban exchange as I knew the small size would keep 
paper expenses down.
 From the household budget manager with one just out and two in college,
Lynita

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From: "Brad Schwartz" <baschwar#cet.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:20:16 -0700
Subject: [Baren 22059] RE: Exchange #18 (small exchange) update... 

I'd rather we keep it at 31, any more than that can be pretty laborious... a
print run is a print run... whether it is 2" square or 18x24"...

Brad


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp
> [mailto:owner-baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp]On Behalf Of Mike Lyon
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: Baren Forum
> Subject: [Baren 22054] Exchange #18 (small exchange) update...
>
>
> After 24 hours, Exchange #18 has 38 signed up already...  Sign-up
> sheet is
> at http://barenforum.org/exchange/exchange_sign-up.html
>
> Because of the small image area (8 square inches or 50 square cm)
> there was
> some discussion about opening the exchange to more than 30
> participants.  That means more work for the coordinator and the
> production
> of larger editions for each participant.  Any thoughts on this?  It seems
> to me that asking exchange participants to produce more than the
> 31 prints
> described in the sign-up page might create a hardship for some
> printers in
> spite of the small paper and image sizes...  What do _you_ think?
>
> -- Mike
>
>
> Mike Lyon
> mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
> http://www.mlyon.com
>



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From: Frank Trueba <ftrueba#cats.ucsc.edu>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 09:37:58 -0700
Subject: [Baren 22060] Re: from Jean Eger 

Hi Wanda,

Could you get this to Jean. Thanks
frank

Hi Jean,

I wasn't really advocating a "small" exchange (and I am aware of
the Swap Shop) but rather reminding folks that the July 1st sign-up
was approaching and that there had been a past conversation to make
it a "small" print "theme" soon after Mike Lyon posted those fantastic
small prints he did a few months ago. Looks we've gone ahead to set
up Exchange #18 as a small image on chu-ban paper size. The
subject theme for Exchange 18 is "open."

Excepts from the Exchange 18 sign up page:
     * Theme: open
     * Paper: chu-ban about 10 x 7 1/2 inches (25.4 x 19 cm).
     * IMAGE SIZE: 8 square inches (50 square cm) in any proportion
        which will fit the paper (+/- 5%).
       For example: 8" x 1", 6" x 1 1/3", 4" x 2", 2.8" x 2.8", etc

If you want more details or to sign-up, you can go to:
http://barenforum.org/exchange/exchange_sign-up.html

Take care,
frank




At 09:08 AM 7/2/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>This just came from Jean:
>
>
>Frank,
>We have postcard exchanges for really small prints like what you are talking
>about.  I think the 10x15 size is a good one, OR chuban, I forget what they
>are called.  Then you can make the image 3x3 with wide margins, if you want.
>What's the theme, Frank?
>
>Julio,
>Can you give us a list of who is in the Skokie show?  I'd like to put it on
>my resume if I am in it.  I wish I had a place for a Baren exhibition.
>Perhaps I'll go over to my old junior college and ask if they have a time
>slot for a print show.  They let me have a couple of California Society of
>Printmakers exhibitions over there, but the secretary retired, I think.  She
>was the one who scheduled shows in that gallery.  Can you provide frames?
>Do they screw into the wall, wired, or what?  As long as I am on the beach,
>I might as well do my share for Baren.  I have to take more CSP stuff over
>to the Bancroft Library, read a beautiful book about Diego Rivera, and some
>other books, review US Government on a Standard Deviants video from the
>library, sew a cover for a futon,  make a few castings of a torso I made a
>mold for and start making calendars for Baren.  Also need to visit my
>grandkids, paint some watercolors...write a curriculum or two.  You know the
>drill, the routine.  There is no time to mourn lost love, no time for the
>IChing and the hocus pocus, maybe the love's not lost, who knows?  I just
>want to go back to work, darn it.  I like sitting in a classroom with a
>bunch of wide awake young people who aren't trying to twist my mind and
>shred my brain, who are just soaking up the standard curriculum like little
>sponges.  There is plenty of food for thought in the novels those kids read
>these days!
>
>Jean Womack



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From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:45:07 -0500
Subject: [Baren 22061] Re: Exchange #18 (small exchange) update... 

Hi Mike and all....

I like the options available on print size very much...it will make for a 
very interesting array of prints ! 

If we go a few prints over 31 is probably ok...but a lot more and the 
prints won't fit on the standard chuban
cases (thickness wise) anyways.  We can probably get away with stuffing 
40-45 prints in the standard case...otherwise we would need new cases 
designed.

Many people (52) have signup and doing Calendars of 40-45 prints per 
run...so allowing for additional prints in this exchange might be a good 
option.

My vote is for allowing more entries.....within reason.

thanks...Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois)


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From: G Wohlken <blueman#pantek.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:51:19 -0400
Subject: [Baren 22062] Exchange 18 edition size 

I don't want to make 50, Mike.  For press users, this isn't as much hard 
muscle work.
My 2 cents is keep it at 30, pleeeeeeeeeze?

Gayle


> Because of the small image area (8 square inches or 50 square cm) 
> there was some discussion about opening the exchange to more than 30 
> participants.  That means more work for the coordinator and the 
> production of larger editions for each participant.  Any thoughts on 
> this?  It seems to me that asking exchange participants to produce 
> more than the 31 prints described in the sign-up page might create a 
> hardship for some printers in spite of the small paper and image 
> sizes...  What do _you_ think?





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From: MccarthyDb#aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:16:10 EDT
Subject: [Baren 22063] Re: Exchange #18 (small exchange) update... 



Hi Mike!
I am fine with making the list longer- or perhaps, since the group has grown 
so quickly, there could be two groups doing the same project but exchanging 
only with their group, has that been done before?- Bobette 



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From: Jsf73#aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:22:29 EDT
Subject: [Baren 22064] Re: Exchange #18 (small exchange) update... 


In a message dated 7/2/03 11:29:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mikelyon#mlyon.com writes:



> http://barenforum.org/exchange/exchange_sign-up.html
> 


Mike, not that it matters since I will not make the cut, since I am so far 
down the list of the one week holds I wont make the sign up.....

But if I were in the exchange I would be willing to print more than 31 
prints... now is that my inexperience speaking, well I dont know. 

Have a good exchange everyone. 

John Furr

-

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From: Daniel Dew <ddew#tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:29:55 -0400
Subject: [Baren 22065] Stepping Up To The Table 

Alrighty then, I suppose it is my turn to step up to the table again and
offer my services.

*** ANNOUNCING******
The Salon de Refuse is now open again for #18

If the decision is for 31 prints only, then I am willing to host the
"left-overs".

Just let me know.

The rules will be exactly the same, but the number of prints will be
determined by the number of participants +1 for the archive.


d. dew 

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From: Jsf73#aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:34:13 EDT
Subject: [Baren 22066] Re: Stepping Up To The Table 


Dan,

It is very kind of you to offer to do an overflow exchage for those of us who 
really liked the format.... 

I guess if we have someone in the other group we would really like to have a 
print from we could also work a private exchange between individuals also.

Thanks for offering Dan,

John Furr

yep I really want to do exchange 18.... ;-)

-

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From: slinders#comcast.net
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:41:35 -0500
Subject: [Baren 22067] Re: Exchange #18 (small exchange) update... 

  What do _you_ think?

> 
> -- Mike


Hi, Everyone,

I also would prefer to enlarge the number of participants for
Exchange #18.  I think that the unusual size of these prints
will challenge us to some terrific prints!  

Sharen

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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:32:01 -0500
Subject: [Baren 22068] Re: Exchange 18 edition size 

At 12:51 PM 7/2/2003 -0400, Gayle wrote:

>I don't want to make 50, Mike.  For press users, this isn't as much hard 
>muscle work.
>My 2 cents is keep it at 30, pleeeeeeeeeze?


No problem, Gayle...  and you are not alone!  Several others have written 
to ask that the edition size remain _31_  so that's that -- exchange #18 
will remain at 31.

There are currently 44 signed up for #18.  If you'd like to participate in 
this exchange, there's an excellent chance you will be able to do so by 
signing up at http://www.barenforum.org/exchange/exchange_sign-up.html

Those who don't make the exchange proper will have the opportunity to 
submit prints for the #18 Salon de Refuse' to be coordinated by Dan 
Dew.  BUT PLEASE, SO THAT WE CAN MORE EASILY COORDINATE THINGS, DO CONTINUE 
TO SIGN UP AT http://www.barenforum.org/exchange/exchange_sign-up.html -- 
We'll pull the Salon participants from this list first, then open it up to 
#18 participants as well (so those who don't mind large editions can share 
in the best of both worlds)...

- -- Mike


>*** ANNOUNCING******
>The Salon de Refuse is now open again for #18
>
>If the decision is for 31 prints only, then I am willing to host the
>"left-overs".
>
>Just let me know.
>
>The rules will be exactly the same, but the number of prints will be
>determined by the number of participants +1 for the archive.
>
>d. dew




Mike Lyon
mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com  

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From: Relief_Printmaking <ar_alnaim#yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:53:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 22069] 2nd Lessedra Miniprint Annual 2003 

Dear Baren Members,
I have put some information about Second International

lessedra Miniprint Annual 2003 on World Printmakers.
Have a look and see what you think:
http://www.worldprintmakers.com/english/lessend.htm .
Best Regards
Arafat Al-Naim



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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 15:02:17 -0500
Subject: [Baren 22070] Hon Baren 'problem' 

Perhaps one of you who is well experienced with the Baren Mall Hon Barens 
can advise me...

I am using my BRAND NEW 'medium strength' hon baren to print an edition of 
100 oban sheets.  It's one of my typical reduction prints: 22 
"blocks".  I've printed the first two, which print almost the entire block 
surface and I am rotating the disk inside the baren cover every five prints 
or so.  I'm printing these first blocks with a light to medium pressure and 
a swirly baren-suji...  Here's the problem:  There are two major high spots 
in the coil which immediately cut through the cover (and make a very nice 
baren-suji, too).  There are several lesser high spots which cut through 
the cover after a number of prints.

I did run the well-lubricated baren HARD over a smooth block of cherry 
before beginning to print in the hope of knocking down any high spots like 
these, but apparently it didn't work (or I didn't do it long enough)...

So the 'odometer' on the baren is at 200 oban size flat area printings and 
those high spots are still cutting right through the cover.  What do you 
suggest?

- -- Mike


Mike Lyon
mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com  

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