Baren Digest               Tuesday, 8 April 2003       Volume 23 : Number 2185


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From: "Gillyin Gatto" <gillying#Maineline.net>
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 11:27:16 -0400
Subject: [Baren 21227] hand colored prints/editioning 

concerning Michelle Morrell's  question about taking a print from an edition
etc--
      I believe that it is totally up to the artist
 to determine the edition,and what will be done with it
i hand color my woodcuts sometimes ,or paint over them.
i do very large collages of them  and
 all of the above are  ok
not effecting any change in  the original edition of the print

if you take a print out of an edition
 then it is yours to do with as you wish
it is YOUR edition   you make the rules

a limited edition implies  that only so many of this same print
 will ever be made
so if you are going to alter it
it is not "the same" anymore
so it is a different print

You are the artist    the work belongs to you

IMHO     gillyin

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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 08:37:48 -0500
Subject: [Baren 21228] Re: Rejection... 

At 02:16 PM 4/6/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>maybe we could consider one of the exchanges (non-regular size?) to be a 
>miniature?
>Wanda


I'd never considered that, Wanda...  I like your idea!  A mini-print 
exchange! The sign-up for #17 is already underway at 
http://www.barenforum.org/exchange/exchange_sign-up.html and there are 
still at least eight openings), but  #18 will be un-themed "other size" 
could be an unusually small paper dimension...

Can we make a "mini" portfolio case, Barbara?  Is there anyone else who 
would like Exchange #18 to be a very small print on very small paper?  That 
could be a "jewel" of a suite!  If anyone else likes the idea of a very 
small paper size, please reply with your ideas about what the image and 
paper dimensions ought to be for #18 (sign-up for #18 will begin July 1 and 
prints are due by November 1)...

Mike


Mike Lyon
mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com  

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From: "Jeanne N. Chase" <studiojnc#prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:26:11 -0400
Subject: [Baren 21229] Re: Rejection... 


Mike

Never thought that a rejection could be such a winner. Congratulations!!!

A Mini print exchange sounds like a great idea, I will vote for that one.

And if there are no takers on the coordinator for Exchange # 17, I would be
happy to take it on. I already have coordinated one exchange early on and it
was really not that much work, but interesting. I think the one thing you
have to have is lots of room for sorting and stacking, etc. That I have.

Jeanne N.


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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 09:02:08 -0500
Subject: [Baren 21230] Re: Rejection... 

 Robert Canaga wrote:

>Now I feel bad that I got in:)
>RC


Well you know, Robert, she only accepted the really <good> ones!  :-)

- -- Mike


Mike Lyon



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From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:47:16 -0500
Subject: [Baren 21231] Re: Horacio, Claude, rejection, Mr. Hishiki...


Horacio, amigo, your prints are fantastic works of art, I have loved the 
way you are able to express the human condition, you will be missed at 
Baren.....let's hope out paths will cross again someday..... 

Sharen, I missed Claude's opening yesterday, do you have any date/time 
info on the rest of the events she will
be appearing at ?

Hi Mike, congratulations on your recent "rejection", those three prints 
you send in are "little" gems...I remember when you posted about them and 
your technique a while back..I said to myself all three of these are 
winners. Any rationale for them being left out of the exhibit ? Perhaps 
another case of a juror "prejudice" ?  Hurray for Tony Kirk.....Roualt & Beckwith 
or companion prints....it does not get any better than that 
!!!!!

Dave, thanks for the link to Mr. Hishiki...fabulous prints.....70 years 
old ? ...good,  that means I have plenty of time left to improve on my 
printmaking {;-)

Mike, I am all in favor for a mini-print exchange for #18, great idea !

Still looking for two more people to complete (July &  December) the PAGE 
calendar....

thanks....Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois)


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From: Daniel Dew <ddew#tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 13:39:22 -0400
Subject: [Baren 21232] Re: Rejection... 

Exactly when does the early sign-up end?

d. dew



>> maybe we could consider one of the exchanges (non-regular size?) to be a
>> miniature?
>> Wanda


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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 10:14:29 -0500
Subject: [Baren 21233] Re: Hishiki-san's new web pages ... 

At 05:26 PM 4/7/2003 +0900, David Bull wrote:

>Some prints he made for entering in group exhibitions:
>http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/hishiki-k/koubo/
>Calendar:
>http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/hishiki-k/cal10/
>Another calendar:
>http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/hishiki-k/cal11/
>New years cards:
>http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/hishiki-k/nenga/
>Miscellaneous prints:
>http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/hishiki-k/other/
>The front page print:
>http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/hishiki-k/
>
>He doesn't speak English, so there is no point in giving you his email 
>address for sending comments ...  Might be worth mentioning that he is 73 
>years old, and all these prints were made since he took up woodblock 
>printmaking on his retirement at 60.
>
>Enjoy!
>
>Dave


For very "poetic" translation, try feeding the URLs into AltaVista's BABBLE 
FISH translator (Japanese to English) at 
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr

- -- Mike


Mike Lyon
mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com  



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From: Daniel Dew <ddew#tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 14:39:20 -0400
Subject: [Baren 21234] Re: Rejection... 

Sorry for the multiple posts in a single day, but, this idea sounds so
awesome cool I can't wait neato!

d. dew




>> maybe we could consider one of the exchanges (non-regular size?) to be a
>> miniature?
>> Wanda

> 
> I'd never considered that, Wanda...  I like your idea! 

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From: "marilynn smih" <marilynnsmih#hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 11:45:35 -0700
Subject: [Baren 21235] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2184 

Mike, congragulations on such a fabulous rejection letter.  To me it says an 
artist needs to accept rejection with grace.  Opinions do vary so.  Once I 
had a watercolor rejected from a juried show and had the one main judge tell 
me he would have awarded it a top prize, a weird feeling huh?  You have 
received an interesting and certainly well deserved honor.
Marilynn



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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:46:50 -0500
Subject: [Baren 21236] Re: Rejection... 

At 01:39 PM 4/7/2003 -0400, Dan Dew wrote:

>Exactly when does the early sign-up end?
>
>d. dew


Tomorrow, April 8, 2003, at 10 AM in Kansas City (CDT), those who are 
participating in #16 and also signed up for #17 will be appended to the 
list for Exchange #17.  Right?

Mike


Mike Lyon
mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com  

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From: Barbara Mason <barbaramason45#yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:38:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 21237] Re: Editions--again 


Michell,
How great that you think I would know this...hummmmmmm. I think
you can do whatever you want, I would take one from the end of
the edition, say #20/20, and work backwards. So that you went
#20. #19 and so on. That way you would have your changed prints
in order backwards. Then write on the certificate that you
changed it. I think that is all you would need to do....the
printmaking police will not come and get you....you are really
and truly in charge of your own work! Mike, I think we could get
a small portfolio, as long as it is not too small. Sometimes it
is more work to make things small...how about 3x4" or so. Would
that be small enough? I will ask Dave, he will know if we can do
this. Is there a standard small size for prints? Lets not get
crazy here, I don't want to work 2x3 inches.......unless it is a
part of a larger image and I just cut it in fourths......How good
are your eyes anyway????? Obviously better than mine! I have been
looking at a book on printmaking from Koyoto and I see in these
prints that the lines are all fairly wide...they are contemporary
prints. I think I could do these wide lines, I am liking these.
They are very graphic, sort of like Roualt meets Japan. Isn't
printmaking wonderful? So many, many ways to do the same thing.
Best to all, Barbara John and Michelle Morrell
<jmmorrell#gci.net> wrote:If you have an edition of prints and
you want to alter by hand one of them (after the printing
process), how do you deal with that in terms of numbering?
Recently I altered a print for a special but local occasion. I
used an artist's proof and noted it was altered by hand work on
the authenticity certificate. 


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From: slinders#attbi.com
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 01:17:22 -0500
Subject: [Baren 21238] Exchange members, Say hello! 

Hi, everyone!

We had an unusual occurrence in Exchange 16 during the last
month or so.  My 'welcoming letter' to our exchange 16 members
'bounced' from one person on the list.  After several tries at
contacting this person I wrote to Mike who was able to give me
some information on the e-mail server this person used, a school
district.  I couldn't reach the school district through the
server either.  I began a telephone 'hunt' which took several
calls.  Finally I spoke with the person, who reported that the
signing up for the exchange was done as they were 'surfing our
site' and they had no intention of participating.  By this time
much of our exchange time had already been spent. Thankfully we
had folks on the waiting list with blocks ready!

This is a long story to remind new members to Baren exchanges,
or those who only lurk, that they are valuable to us, and we'd
like to hear from them, if only to say hello.  I will also
remind people to read the 'rules' of our exchanges,
<http://barenforum.org/exchange/rules.html> and suggest that
especially if you are wanting to participate in an exchange you
say hello and let us welcome you!

Exchanges are such a special part of Baren, and I know that
you'll be as enthusiastic about them as the rest of us are! 
We'd like to know you better!

It was wonderful to meet Claude Aimee yesterday!  Any of you who
have had this experience know how incredible it is to have
corresponded and exchanged prints with someone for a long time,
and then to be able to hear their voice, see their face!  It's
so amazing!  (You KNEW she'd have a great Montreal/French
accent!)
  She has a terrific show...all CATS! at the River Forest,
Illinois, library, April 4-29, 2003.  What a lovely
building/neighborhood!  She then gave a slide presentation and
had a portfolio review at the Oak Park Art League.  Tomorrow
evening she'll have a printing demo at Expression Graphics, Oak
Park.  Photos to follow!  

Sharen

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From: Jack Reisland <reislandj001#hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:23:52 -1000
Subject: [Baren 21239] Re: Editions--again 

Barbara Mason wrote:


> ...how about 3x4" or so. Would that be small enough?


But that's not much different than the postcard exchange sizes. Smaller?

Jack R.


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From: Minna Sora <indian.girl#luukku.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:44:59 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: [Baren 21240] About war and peace 

Hi

Somehow I've got a feeling that works with theme war and peace should be at=
 least quite american?  Or at least most of the works will probably be like=
 that?

Also I'm wondering, is it a must to make 100% woodcuts, or is a hint of chi=
ne colle possible?

Minna



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From: Myron Turner <mturner#Ms.UManitoba.CA>
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 06:51:12 -0500
Subject: [Baren 21241] Re: Exchange members, Say hello! 

This is not an insurmountable problem--although it not worth
bothering with unless it becomes a repeat problem.
You'd need to have the sign-ups done through a simple script that would
check the names of signers-up against a membership list.\ This
wouldn't stop someone from becoming a nuisance member, subscribing just
to do a bogus sign-up for an exchange, but it would make it more work to
be a nuisance.Myron

Finally I spoke
with the person, who reported that the
signing up for the exchange was done as they were 'surfing our
site' and they had no intention of participating.&nbsp; By this 
time much of our exchange time had already been spent. Thankfully we
had folks on the waiting list with blocks ready!
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From: Myron Turner <mturner#Ms.UManitoba.CA>
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 06:55:15 -0500
Subject: [Baren 21242] Re: About war and peace 

Does that mean pro-American? And are you recommending
this or worrying about this?
Myron

At 06:44 AM 08/04/2003, you wrote:
>Somehow I've got a feeling that works with theme war and peace should be
>at least quite american?&nbsp; Or at least most of the works will
>probably be like that?<br><br>
>Also I'm wondering, is it a must to make 100% woodcuts, or is a hint of
>chine colle possible?
>Minna
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