Baren Digest               Tuesday, 1 April 2003       Volume 23 : Number 2178


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From: eli griggs <eli_griggs#yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:19:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 21177] Re: green stuff for honing 

Hi there:

Wrong author.  Richard Lee for reloading info/how-to,
and gear.  Leonard Lee, The Complete Guide to
Sharpening, for sharping how-to and tools.

- --- eli griggs <eli_griggs#yahoo.com> wrote:


Look for a copy of "the compleat guide to sharping" by
Richard Lee, at Lee Valley Tools.




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From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:39:49 -0600
Subject: [Baren 21178] Re: Sheep & Goats cards... 

More New Year cards on display from the weekend mail.....that brings total 
received so far to about 25....or half the signup list.....the rest of 
you.......get cutting & printing or I'll send a pack of wild monkeys to 
your doorstep.... {;-)

http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/jcrstuff/blacksheep/snames.html

thanks...Julio Rodriguez



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From: Wanda <robertson#canby.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:01:05 -0800
Subject: [Baren 21179] Re: Weekend notes... 

on 3/30/03 1:02 PM, carolwagner at carolwagner#softcom.net wrote:


> And speaking of loving wood...I have been 'Cherry Picking' archived Baren
> postings (looking for all wood related items) and found Wanda's vol 13,
> #1204, Nov 2000 post on Siberian birch from Yuri. Wanda, is he still in
> business? Can one/ should one, still want some of that Siberian Birch?...I


Aaahhh! Wood lust..... We all get it from time to time. I'm not sure that
Yuri is still on baren. I'll have to check the subscribers.  I bought so
many blocks from him - that I still have some.  Along with a whole 4x8 sheet
of "Apple Core" which is all birch plywood that my daughter gave me - I've
been happlily carving birch for the two years.  I like birch myself - but a
lot of other people don't.  I'm sure you will hear from everyone about their
favorite wood.

Wanda


> 



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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:35:14 -0600
Subject: [Baren 21180] EXCHANGE #17 


Sign-up for Exchange #17 will open tomorrow (April 1) at 10 am Kansas City 
time (Exchange #16 participants may also sign up tomorrow morning but will 
remain at the end of the queue for the first week).  Complete information 
about the exchange is on the sign-up page at 
http://www.barenforum.org/exchange/exchange_sign-up.html but briefly, 
participants will submit 31 oban sized "War and Peace" theme prints about 
10 x 15 inches (about 25.5 x 38cm) by August 1, 2003.

Thank you everybody for your interesting theme suggestions for this 
exchange.  "War and Peace" received the most votes and so has become our 
official theme for #17.  It was an interesting discussion all around, I 
thought...  Very lively and appropriate.  I think I'll try to  add an 
on-line poll to the sign-up page for our next themed exchange (#19) so 
it'll be easier to evaluate the preferences of the group.

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For the moment, here's an informal recap of most of our theme discussions 
during the past week or so:

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In favor of "War and Peace" theme:
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Sharri LaPierre <Barebonesart#attbi.com> -- I think War and Peace would be 
excellent themes for the exchange.  Art is supposed to reflect the times in 
which it is done, as well as the ideals/ideas of the artist.  The world 
would be much poorer without the images of Goya, Beckman, Kollwitz, Tolstoy 
and more.  There would be no censorship - who would want to take on that 
task? Not me!  I cast my vote for the theme War and Peace.  <...> It would 
seem to me that with a theme as broad based as" war and peace" just about 
any image would be relevant.  Some might choose to do the horrors of war 
"ala Goya", others might choose do to a peaceful meadow landscape - perhaps 
what a perfect and peaceful world might look to them.  I see plenty of 
latitude in the theme "war and peace", which may be a political expression 
to some, and not to others.  Stubbornly voting for War and Peace <...>  I 
still think "war and peace" would be a terrific theme for an exchange and 
particularly relevant for this time in history. If some of the work would 
make a good poster, so be it - plenty of work for all the exchanges would 
look good as a poster! War and peace do not have to be purely political 
issues, they can also be moral, aesthetic, philosophical, theological  - 
you name it.

dimitris grammatikopulos <aenaonartst#yahoo.com> -- make the next Exchange 
on the subject: "Lobotomy". Technically this is a state (by accident or by 
surgical operation) when the individuum cannot respond to anything from his 
environment.  <...> It greeves me deeply that we are to self-censor 
ourselves on BURNING matters of our world. IT IS WRONG! <...> I believe 
that an exchange must be held. About grief, injustice, anguish, 
oppression... About the Four Horsemen of Apocalypse. Or any other flying 
object as devastating as they... or more...

georga <Aqua4tis#aol.com> -- an exchange about suffering and grief is aptly 
appropriate also i wanted to say that artists speak about the times they 
live in through their art    we should be able to creat any images we want 
witho8ut being attacked for it   no matter what your political views   mybe 
we should just keep the politics in the visual images and off the list

Janet Kravetz Hollander <Chelsea391#aol.com> -- I'm stubbornly agreeing 
with Sharri (Stubbornly voting for War and Peace) I doubt that many of us 
could keep our intense feelings out of our work, whatever the stated 
subject, and I wouldn't want to be in an exchange that was set up to screen 
that out. We don't want to argue with each other, but using the exchange of 
images to let our personal perspectives show forth is a form of respect. 
What a model of community THAT would be.

"Jean Womack" <jeaneger#jeaneger.com> -- I think war and peace is a good 
theme for an international art group.  There is lots of latitude for 
subject matter and interpretation of the theme.  It has a lot of precedent 
in art history.   Let people have a voice. <...>   Perhaps a theme for an 
exchange could be a memorial to those killed in the Iraq fighting.

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In favor of something completely different:
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Minna Sora <indian.girl#luukku.com> -- basic elements, water, air, fire and 
earth? Or, for example oil based woodcuts and layers of colour? 
Transparency, opacity and such. And, third suggestion, "touch of the 
surface" - everybody woul explore the ways to use tools etc to create 
interesting patterns and stuctures

"marilynn smih" <marilynnsmih#hotmail.com> -- I doubt Iwill do #17 because 
of all the other things I am doing, so I have been hesitant to make a 
suggestion.  But as I read all these comments about greif and pain in the 
world and politics I wonder where is the love?  where is the hope?  Have we 
lost sight of caring and giving and helping?  Why not a positive theme in a 
world that has so much negative?  What about themes like hope, love, giving 
or helping. <...> Perhaps we should focus on showing something we want to 
keep in our world, something we are loosing rather than suffering of the 
human kind. A trip to go snorkeling to view the wonders of the sea will 
make one want to keep the world special.  to keep the turtle, the whale, 
the wild undergrowth of land and sea. Now that leads me to a thought, how 
about the wonders of the sea or endangered species for a theme?

Dan Dew <ddew0001#tampabay.rr.com>  -- How about: -figures -family -friends 
- -landscapes -buildings -oily only - my favorite consumer product - drugs - 
country music (dogs, divorce, drinking, etc...)  Let'shave fun and a smiley 
theme this time, huh?

"Gillyin Gatto" <gillying#Maineline.net> -- i see  alot of my  artist 
friends also are the ones who are noticing the sustainablity issue- are we 
going to be brought to our knees by war, disease, etc  or will we rise in 
the spirit of our own creativity to transformative levels of work ? within 
our own selves and without in the neighborhood and world the choice  is 
each of ours- and my choice for a theme for exchange #17 is TRANSFORMATION
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Good luck to everyone who plans to sign up for this Exchange #17 !!!

- -- Mike



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From: Sharri LaPierre <Barebonesart#attbi.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:03:04 -0800
Subject: [Baren 21181] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2177 

In response to sharpening service:  I used to have it made because my 
father was a saw sharpener - this was all before they came up with 
disposable saws and carpenters and large construction companies, lumber 
mills, etc., would send or bring their saws to him to have them 
sharpened.  He also did knives and scissors and - on occasion - wood 
cutting tools!  So, if you can find a saw/knife/lawn mower sharpener in 
your area he will probably be happy to sharpen your tools for you.  
These people are generally perfectionists and do a beautiful job.  I 
used to love to watch Daddy do the hand saws by hand - it was like 
watching a conductor of a great orchestra.  Then he invented a machine 
to do them, but still would go over them once by hand to be sure the 
machine did it right! (actually I think what he did was a finishing 
treatment).  Good luck.

Sharri


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From: Jack Reisland <reislandj001#hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:10:46 -1000
Subject: [Baren 21182] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2177 

Please be careful. I'm sure that Sharri's father was an excellent
sharpener, but if you take your nice little carving tools to a
saw/knife/lawnmower sharpener today, you are very likely to get back a
worthless ruined stub of metal. Most of these shops use coarse grinders
even on good kitchen knives. They will remove all the temper and leave an
ugly jagged edge on a small chisel. If you want to try, I would recommend
that you have them try a cheap chisel first. Actually, there are plenty of
sharpening instructions on the Baren site and elsewhere on line. If you
are willing to spend all the time to learn to carve and print, you owe it
to your self and your tools to take the time to practice sharpening. You
will save a lot of time in the long run instead of carving with dull tools
and waiting for someone else to sharpen your tools. A really shiny sharp
tool is a joy to behold and use, and all the more so if you did it
yourself.

Jack Reisland

Sharri LaPierre wrote:


> In response to sharpening service:  I used to have it made because my
> father was a saw sharpener - this was all before they came up with
> disposable saws and carpenters and large construction companies, lumber
> mills, etc., would send or bring their saws to him to have them
> sharpened.  He also did knives and scissors and - on occasion - wood
> cutting tools!  So, if you can find a saw/knife/lawn mower sharpener in
> your area he will probably be happy to sharpen your tools for you.
> These people are generally perfectionists and do a beautiful job.  I
> used to love to watch Daddy do the hand saws by hand - it was like
> watching a conductor of a great orchestra.  Then he invented a machine
> to do them, but still would go over them once by hand to be sure the
> machine did it right! (actually I think what he did was a finishing
> treatment).  Good luck.
>
> Sharri



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From: juan <viscult#prodigy.net.mx>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:04:37 -0600
Subject: [Baren 21183] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2177 

JEAN:

Thanks for the comment. Yes, animation on web pages has its cost (in time).
I'm about to update and try to fast it up...


>I was looking at Juan Guerrero's beautiful pictures slowly loading from
>Mexico and wondering if there was a way to create a web site where you=

 would

>have a front page and then you could click a button that would enable the
>rest of the web site to load in the background while you are looking at the
>first page.
>Jean


Juan Guerrero
J. Pilar Ruiz 276
F. del R=EDo.   Morelia
58040   MEXICO
tel/Ph: (443) 320 7273
Alternative e-mail:
2ojos#ozu.es
www.juanguerrero.galeon.com



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From: Newsletter <news#barenforum.org>
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 17:48:03 +0900
Subject: [Baren 21184] Newsletter mailing notice 

Issue #10 of Baren-Suji - the Newsletter of the [Baren] Forum for 
Woodblock Printmaking - is now ready! Editor Julio Rodriguez has outdone 
himself yet again, and produced an action-packed issue crammed with 
information and stories of interest to all woodblock printmakers.

The newsletter can be found at:
http://barenforum.org/newsletter/issue10/issue10.html

We hope you enjoy it!

***

Note: the email version of the newsletter was mailed a short time ago, to 
everybody who left their name on the sign-up list at:
http://barenforum.org/newsletter/newsletter_sign-up.html
But as this list has grown in size, we have encountered problems with 
sending out recent issues. This time the mail server at the ISP from 
which it was being mailed _cut off_ the process partway through, as the 
quantity being sent out apparently triggered some kind of 'spammer alert' 
(we send them out in small batches to try and avoid this, but the server 
is wise to that game ...).

A number of people on the list will thus not have received their copy ... 
they should refer to the on-line version mentioned above. Sorry, and 
thanks for your patience!

Editors ...


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From: Horacio Oliveira Soares Neto <horacio#centroin.com.br>
Date: Tue,  1 Apr 2003 07:07:37 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Baren 21185] dropping out Exchange 16 (http://www.centroin.com.br/) 

Dear Sharen Linder
Unfortunately I cannot participate in the Baren Exchange #16.
Thanks.=20
Hor=E1cio Soares Neto

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