Baren Digest Sunday, 20 October 2002 Volume 21 : Number 2000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Stones" Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:27:53 +0900 Subject: [Baren 19608] Re: Teaching Hanga Dear Barbara, Just printed out your mail from [Baren] - hope you'll continue to promote the method... we maybe can't match the old-timers but we can show people how to appreciate their work - by SHOWING how it was/is done! Although my computer-generated 8-page booklet about how I do my prints isn't yet on real paper, I hope to have it printed soon in order to send it out with overseas-bound prints... it's not too detailed (but bi-lingual - so the locals may be interested too?) as I'm sure there is a need of simple explanations. It's sitting on my website: http://www.i-chubu.ne.jp/~stones/ under "Process" with the title "Woodblock Diary" http://www.i-chubu.ne.jp/~stones/index_e.html I've been creating this as an exercise to learn how to update myself on my "old job" of commercial printer - once a week a print company lets me use their design computers... even have my own machine/desk... not quite mokuhanga all the time over here you'll note! Regards, Dave S ------------------------------ From: "marilynn smih" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:29:06 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19610] Re: Baren Digest V21 #1999 reporting back on the progress of 14a. I have not recieved prints from the following: Frank Trueba Eli Griggs Daniel L. Dew Horacio Soares Neto Eli Griggs sent me an email about a week ago saying she could drop out or send me prints late. At that time I encouraged her to do the prints and mail them to me asap. Dan Dew has said his prints are on the way. I need colophon information from the following: Sharen Linder Julio Rodriquez Minna Sora Sylvia Taylor Jean Eger Womack Go to this address and fill out the form: http://www.barenforum.org/exchange/exchange_14/aexchangedetails.html If you do not give me colophon info I will use your name and what other info I can find from your mailing. Thanks, Marilynn ------------------------------ From: "April Vollmer" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:42:20 -0400 Subject: [Baren 19611] shunga, teaching and chops Mike and Charles thank you for the shunga discussion. It is an aspect of ukiyo-e prints that is close to the heart of the technique, since 'floating world' can alternately refer to the Buddhist ideas of nirvana, or to the fleeting pleasures of life, as in the Yoshiwara. And Barbara, good luck with your teaching! How great that Alex could come by the class. She is an important part of very class I give, because she sends me catalogues for my students. G.Jarvis? Who is that? You gave a useful description of chops, thank you! April www.aprilvollmer.com ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:24:04 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19612] From Jean Eger I went to the Art and Food show in San Francisco today and met Maria Arango. She is REAL! I hope she has a lot of success with her print show. There were a lot of good art works at this show, which costs $8.50 to enter. I bought one of Maria's landscape engravings on Corian. Jean Eger Womack ------------------------------ From: "Jean Womack" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:22:34 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19613] Re: Baren Digest V21 #1999 I uploaded a photo of Maria Arango and me at the San Francisco show, but I don't have a member's password for the show and tell section. I don't know where it went to. Boo hoo. It's a really neat show. Also, just down the street from the Bill Graham auditorium, there is a great Greek restaurant across the street from the beautiful new public library. The food is just as good as it looks. I had soup and bread. I had some coffee or something at the show, maybe huge free chocolates from a Ft. Worth, Texas company which made me very sleepy so I could hardly keep my eyes open on the drive home. I had to keep slapping myself to stay awake. Maybe it's from the car exhaust system. It's scary. I think I am allergic to coffee. It often has that effect on me--makes me sleepy. Jean ------------------------------ From: Artsmadis#aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:03:59 EDT Subject: [Baren 19615] chops Just as a matter of curiosity, I've got some chops [Chinese] made of soapstone, which are supposedly antique. They're fairly nicely carved, the small ones are an inch square and 4 inches high, the large ones 3 inches square and 8 inches high and weigh 5 pounds each! Carved with foo dogs, I guess. Put up a picture at http://www270.pair.com/madis/chops.htm Darrell ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne N. Chase" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:39:34 -0400 Subject: [Baren 19616] Re: Hanga Practice Paper Mike I saved your e mail re; printing paper for Hanga prints. (My e mail piles up that way). So I was wondering what I could get that I did not have to size. Ready to go as it were. So went back to your information on the Matsumura through the Baren Mall and it makes sense as you can get quite a few sheets out of such a large piece of paper. I will order some of it on Monday for my Hanga print. Also wanted to let you know that I have your tape and it is great to actually see someone printing away and explaining as they go. Although I feel like an elf as I knew that you had the camera at an angle and had to bend over to speak. But anyway, thanks and when I master , ahem, the technique I will send it back to you. Unless there is someone else out there in Baren Land who wants to borrow it and you do not mind. (you might never get it back) I might bother you and send you a sample as I go along with a few questions here and there!!!(off line of course). I do not want everyone to see my progress (or regression). Take Care. I am going to see and hear Beethoven's 9th this weekend, what a treat. Playing in any musical programs lately? Jeanne N. ------------------------------ From: Dan Dew Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:54:05 -0400 Subject: [Baren 19617] Re: Hanga Practice Paper Me. Me. Me, Me, I'm real close and promise to send it back. really, I promise. Dan Dew > From: "Jeanne N. Chase" > Reply-To: baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp > Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:39:34 -0400 > To: > Subject: [Baren 19616] Re: Hanga Practice Paper > > Mike > > I saved your e mail re; printing paper for Hanga prints. (My e mail piles up > that way). So I was wondering what I could get that I did not have to size. > Ready to go as it were. So went back to your information on the Matsumura > through the Baren Mall and it makes sense as you can get quite a few sheets > out of such a large piece of paper. > I will order some of it on Monday for my Hanga print. > > Also wanted to let you know that I have your tape and it is great to > actually see someone printing away and explaining as they go. Although I > feel like an elf as I knew that you had the camera at an angle and had to > bend over to speak. > But anyway, thanks and when I master , ahem, the technique I will send it > back to you. Unless there is someone else out there in Baren Land who wants > to borrow it and you do not mind. (you might never get it back) > > I might bother you and send you a sample as I go along with a few questions > here and there!!!(off line of course). > I do not want everyone to see my progress (or regression). > > > Take Care. > > I am going to see and hear Beethoven's 9th this weekend, what a treat. > Playing in any musical programs lately? > > Jeanne N. > ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:55:39 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19618] Re: Hanga Practice Paper (Portions of message deleted) ... That was a 26 block print I was starting on the video, so I was VERY light on the water, as I was printing nearly the entire sheet in the first printings, and each pass adds significant water to the paper... I might have even doubled the water and still been just fine when I printed... And the newsprint was very wet, too, so that helped... It's a lot easier to get everything much too wet than to stay on the dry side, if that makes any sense. I'm not the only (nor the best) source of info on the forum... We are performing tonight in 2 1/2 hours, so you'll have some new material to listen to in a week or 10 days on http://kccivic.org :-) And... I gotta go have dinner and get into my tux! Mike Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:04:18 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19619] Re: Hanga Practice Paper (portion of message deleted as it pertains to a private email) ...I think we're going to do some filming at the Summit in KC next summer and we'll try to edit together a more professional version with some more professional demonstrators, too! Maybe I'll edit together just the "good parts" of Linda and Jeanne's (and Dan's?) video into a short DVD production for webcast or something... Mike Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:11:00 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19620] Re: Hanga Practice Paper I wrote: >I might have even doubled the water and still been just fine when I >printed... And the newsprint was very wet, too, so that helped... It's a >lot easier to get everything much too wet than to stay on the dry side, if >that makes any sense. Since I thought this was just to Jeanne (and instead it was to everybody), I was pretty sloppy with my writing in this part... In the video, I lightly spritz every other sheet with a mister -- it really was very little moisture... What I really meant above was that if I was doing a more normal print, one where maybe less than half the paper was being printed at a time (instead of almost the whole sheet) I'd could have spritzed every sheet two or three times and the paper still wouldn't have been too damp. And when I said "easier to get everything too wet" I didn't mean that getting too wet made the printing easier or better, just the opposite... I meant that it easily occurs that everything gets TOO wet for good printing, and that it is kinda hard to keep everything TOO dry for good printing... Does make any better sense? Mike Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: FurryPressII#aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:06:00 EDT Subject: [Baren 19621] Re: tools can you have too many tools? the one with the most used tools wins. exchange 14 got here safe and sound way cool. john center ------------------------------ From: "David Stones" Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:07:36 +0900 Subject: [Baren 19622] Re: Trucking to Pearl Beach Dear All, Now a mail that CAN go out and is not a miss-keyed memo... Some may be wondering why I've never commented on the mail sent by Josephine S about our short visit to her place in Aussie... afraid funeral duties on return and the upcoming 12-day exhibition cut my mailing time... it was also the first trip back in 14 yrs. - and good things have happened - took time to adjust both ways... and see some possibilities too. Anyway, for the first time, I was able to see quite a lot (and what a variety!) of the exchange prints - Josephine has a large collection - plus one set that is all framed to show but was never hung as she was let down by people - the prints remain scattered all over her great place at Pearl Beach... for me, a low-humidity, tree-shaded and quite street would be ideal to get some print-work done... but we were en-route, in a rented truck with no lights, full of my sister's furniture to help her move... the winding road up to Pearl Beach is no fun as gears grate for us, the inexperienced... the locals would laugh - as I do, when the city drivers tool to Yomogyu in their great machines that can't navigate our narrow, hilly road. But is was a short trip... great chattering, chocolate cake and cups of tea. All I can say is that, if we in print forums ever have the chance, we should meet our fellow forumers... my sky-diving sister was patiently waiting to get her gear moved but I could have stayed all day... So, a further trip will be made and the contacts given this time - but that I couldn't take up - will be made too. To those printers down south then, I'll say that that Japanese-speaking POM will be back and based in the Gong... and still prefers a schooner of Tooheys Old if the teas not on.... let's talk prints again. O.K. Back to work... Dave S ------------------------------ From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:15:57 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19623] : tools > can you have too many tools? the one with the most used tools wins. > exchange 14 got here safe and sound way cool. > john center John, I liked it that you said the most USED tools, just having lots doesn't count. I was trying to tell my class the 4 tools they had to have...it was hard. But we settled on a knife, a u gouge, a bull nosed chisel and a larger u gouge for clearing. I admit I have lots and lots of sizes of all the tools...but I think I could use less, there are some I use seldom, but when you need them they do seem perfect. I took in exchange 14 for the class to see, they were very impressed. What always strikes me is the wonderful divesity of the work, beginners, experienced, and in between and the range of ideas is just great. Forget the tools, just get prints, lots of prints! Barbara - ----- ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V21 #2000 *****************************