Baren Digest Wednesday, 11 September 2002 Volume 20 : Number 1954 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GraphChem#aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:10:37 EDT Subject: [Baren 19116] Re: Real danger in Printmaking.. Julio - I appreciated your West Nile comments. I found a dead Blue Jay in my front yard, and totally blew it off because the press was focusing on crows. I found out with a little research that crows and Jays are the first to exhibit symptoms (or the first to die from W.N.V.) Of course, by then I had disposed of the bird and have no clue if that's what did him in, or whether a local cat scared him to death! Dean ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:26:35 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19117] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1953 Hi, Minna... The Salon is [Baren]'s informal print exchange. You send in any number of prints you like (all the same, or different) and you get back the same number you submit, but all from different artists. First come - first served. Pot luck print exchange. See http://www.barenforum.org/swapshop/index.html for details ! Mike At 10:00 PM 9/10/2002 +0900, you wrote: >Btw, what is the salon? > > >Minna Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:35:34 -0400 Subject: [Baren 19118] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1953 I gotta jump in, sorry. The "SWAP SHOP" is Baren's informal print exchnage, not the salon. The Salon is something somebody who agrees to co-ordinate off an official exchange. Not being mean, just want to clarify. d. dew > From: Mike Lyon > Reply-To: baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:26:35 -0500 > To: baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp > Subject: [Baren 19117] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1953 > > Hi, Minna... The Salon is [Baren]'s informal print exchange. You send in > any number of prints you like (all the same, or different) and you get back > the same number you submit, but all from different artists. First come - > first served. Pot luck print exchange. See > http://www.barenforum.org/swapshop/index.html for details ! > > Mike > > At 10:00 PM 9/10/2002 +0900, you wrote: >> Btw, what is the salon? >> >> >> Minna > > Mike Lyon > mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com > http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:34:42 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19119] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1953 Geez -- I'm having a series of 'senior moments' I guess... The SwapShop can be found at the link below. The SALONs are sort of off-shoots of [Baren]'s regular print=20 exchanges. Since each exchange is presently limited to 30 participants,=20 there are usually a number of people put on a 'waiting list'. Some=20 exchanges have had pretty huge waiting lists (like 15 or more people), and= =20 in those cases, a less formal "Salon de Refus=E9" has sometimes formed--=20 similar exchanges which supposedly are formed by those who were 'refused'=20 admittance to the exchange proper... Each salon makes up its own rules,=20 but typically the members have mostly been the SAME folks who are in the=20 exchange proper! Mike At 08:26 AM 9/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, Minna... The Salon is [Baren]'s informal print exchange. You send in= =20 >any number of prints you like (all the same, or different) and you get=20 >back the same number you submit, but all from different artists. First=20 >come - first served. Pot luck print exchange. See=20 >http://www.barenforum.org/swapshop/index.html for details ! > >Mike > > At 10:00 PM 9/10/2002 +0900, you wrote: >>Btw, what is the salon? >> >> >>Minna > >Mike Lyon >mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com >http://www.mlyon.com Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com=20 ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:36:03 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19120] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1953 YEP. You're absolutely right, Dan. I think I am suffering from some sort of swelling of the brain this week! Mike At 09:35 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I gotta jump in, sorry. >The "SWAP SHOP" is Baren's informal print exchnage, not the salon. The >Salon is something somebody who agrees to co-ordinate off an official >exchange. >Not being mean, just want to clarify. > >d. dew Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne N. Chase" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:25:00 -0400 Subject: [Baren 19121] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1953 Dan I thought the Salon and the Swap Shop were the same. Ok , glad you cleared this up for me. I think the Swap Shop would be the ideal place for all of those extra prints and also prints that were made in anticipation of getting in on an exchange if you were on the waiting list. Jeanne N. ------------------------------ From: G Wohlken Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:27:37 +0000 Subject: [Baren 19122] Swap Shop, Red Faces, Mezzotints on Wood The Swap Shop idea appeals to me, too, Mike. It could be made standard procedure that all extra prints, beyond the Exchange Proper (if I can call it that for clarity) would be made in the Swap Shop size and sent along to James Mundie in Philly. It would be nice to see Swap Shop get some action as I think people forget it's there for extra exchanging. The smaller size is nice. We could make it a ruling that extra prints (for those who want to participate and didn't get on the main exchange list) for a particular exchange would go to to Swap Shop. Swap Shop would start to shine in its own right, which was the original intention. You don't have to make as many prints for Swap Shop, and you still get a nice, affordable, handleable package out of it. >How about this for a slightly skewed approach: When you sign up for any >exchange, you are committing to make 31 prints which fall into the exchange >guidelines even if you fall into the waitlisted category... At the close >of the exchange, you send your prints to the Swap Shop and take 'pot luck'... > >What do you think? > > ****** Mike, we all make mistakes when we are on lists. Once I sent an email (I thought) to my sister about a twice weekly letter that I receive that's pretty automated, but starts out each time with "Dear Gayle" and I was telling her how I thought this "automation" was a bit of a cheat, though the "Dear Gayle" was a nice touch. Well, I sent it to the list owner instead of my sister. I sent a red-faced apology to him, and he actually wrote back and forgave me. Hey, real email letter from him! Anyway, we might as well get the conversation going about the salons since the door has been opened :-) . >Well, why don't I just go out and shoot myself in the head? ******** Dimitris, I am extremely curious about your method of mezzotint with a wire brush. It sounds somethting like what James Mundie does on parts of his woodcuts. How do you get the definition where you need it? If you wire brush a whole piece of wood, it gives texture over all, but how do you control it to make an image? Perhaps, I'm not understanding the mezzotint process. >On wood I will be sandblasting it and sanding it down. To avoid deep >traces (non-printable) I can fill in some parts with glue, stucco, or any >other material wood-compatible. > >The part I love is the one when I realise that I may have a woodcut, >without the use of any pointy, sharp tool whatsoever... > Gayle Ohio ------------------------------ From: "Bill H. Ritchie, Jr." Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:48:09 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19123] Re: Real danger in Printmaking Julio's message made me think, Hmm--first time I've ever read a graphic description of an actual environmental crisis and what a printmaker must do. Ten years ago, when the first Earth Day got national attention, there was a TV special featuring high-profile entertainers. One was Dustin Hoffman, who acted in the role of a Wall Street executive, I guess. His solution to problems like that of the Nile Virus and mosquitos was, "Go to the Mall." Professional Career Site: www.seanet.com/~ritchie First Emeralda Portal Site: www.artsport.com Bill's Virtual Art Gallery & e-commerce Site: www.myartpatron.com Experimental Free Site: www.freeyellow.com/members/videoprint Snail Mail: 500 Aloha #105, Seattle 98109 e-mail: ritchie#seanet.com ------------------------------ From: "Tyrus Clutter" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:25:59 -0600 Subject: [Baren 19124] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1953 Speaking of the Swap Shop... lets get some work into that please. I sent prints well over a year ago and still haven't received any back as nobody is utilizing this aspect of baren. TyRuS >>> ddew#tampabay.rr.com 09/10/02 07:35AM >>> I gotta jump in, sorry. The "SWAP SHOP" is Baren's informal print exchnage, not the salon. The Salon is something somebody who agrees to co-ordinate off an official exchange. Not being mean, just want to clarify. d. dew ------------------------------ From: "Mary Kuster" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:31:15 -0400 Subject: [Baren 19125] swapshop How many prints are in the swap shop awaiting homes? Speaking of the Swap Shop... lets get some work into that please. I sent prints well over a year ago and still haven't received any back as nobody is utilizing this aspect of baren. TyRuS ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:37:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Baren 19126] ... Mezzotints on Wood Dear Gayle, the idea of the mezzotinto started with the need for more precise copying of paintings and especially pastel portraits of the time. As time went by it evolved as genre of its own since the appearance of the subject out from the darkness was/is a very dramatic effect. How do you decide when to use it? I suppose just the same way you decide when to use any technique. It depends on the subject. For me the main advantage of this technique is the fact that no wood cutting tools are needed. Which was exactly what I intended to do, because I have a heavy problem with safety in my classroom. Still I believe that the wire brush is not going to give a good/suitable effect on natural wood. You must try that on MDF or plexiglass or even acetate (which I tried last night...by the way, looks very good, but nothing close to the real mezzotinto so far...8-(...). Acetate is soft enough to get easily identations, still it's not so easy on the 'sanding' part. The whole idea of the mezzotinto is to work from dark to light. That means that while you have a BLACK surface rubbing/sanding it down to white. So you create the texture and then you virually eliminate it, in order to get the tonality you need. You may practice by blackening a piece of paper with charcoal or pure graphite pencils (6B to 9B) and adding light with an eraser. I will be in touch on the progress, my best wishes Dimitris > > ******** > Dimitris, I am extremely curious about your method of mezzotint with a > wire brush. It sounds somethting like what James Mundie does on parts > of his woodcuts. How do you get the definition where you need it? If > you wire brush a whole piece of wood, it gives texture over all, but how > > do you control it to make an image? Perhaps, I'm not understanding the > > mezzotint process. ------------------------------ From: Dan Dew Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:39:53 -0400 Subject: [Baren 19127] The joy of it all Well, I guess it can saefely be said that printmakers are jacks of all trades! Not only can we draw, carve or incise and print, but we can be inventive too! I just finished redoing our kitchen (which is also my studio/printing area). After refinishing and repainting all the cabinets (31 faces in all), I cut and hung all the trim, re-did all the moulding and replaced all the counter tops (over 30 ft.). Oh yeah, also cut, hung and painted all the wainescoating also. Just finished cutting out and installing a new kitchen sink, with new faucets and garbage disposal tonight. Ah, the end is near. Also decided on my next print I wanted a softer edge (relief), so I tried a dremmel tool to sand the edges. Drats, too big. Aha, a nail file will work perfectly! When my back is sore, I don't have a press, but I do have a rolling pin. Ah, the joys of fatherhood, handyman and printmaker, all rolled in one. So I ask you all, can I go back to being a printmaker now ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis#aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:00:49 EDT Subject: [Baren 19129] firemans prints hi i was thinking it would be nice to put something on each print about where the artist is located many of you i know which state youre in but some i dont can those of you on this list let me know? thank you georga kuster linder clutter la pierre ohira trueba williams wilson ------------------------------ From: "Tyrus Clutter" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:03:29 -0600 Subject: [Baren 19130] Re: firemans prints As it is still the first few weeks of the school year I am in the state of confusion. Geographically I live in Idaho (Nampa). TyRuS >>> Aqua4tis#aol.com 09/10/02 06:00PM >>> > hi > i was thinking it would be nice to put something on each print about >where >the artist is located many of you i know which state youre in but some >i >dont can those of you on this list let me know? >thank you >georga > >kuster=20 >linder >clutter >la pierre >ohira >trueba >williams >wilson ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis#aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:01:34 EDT Subject: [Baren 19131] Re: firemans prints oops
lol  thanks tyrus

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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= 
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:58:27 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Baren 19132] Re:  The joy of it all... for as long as... 

Dear Dan,
talking about inventiveness and flexibility...
Since 'they' cannot afford to buy 'us' any kind of printmaking press and
combined with the fact that the classroom where I teach was meant to be a
book shop inside the student hostel I came along something that would
resolve both my problems.
I made a box of laminated wood and covered it from the inside with plastic
(vinyl or PVC, I don't know...). The whole structure is based on four
'legs' of which the pair on one of the longest sides of the box have
handles.
Guess what?
I fill the box with water so as to keep my paper damp (wet?) and I use the
weight of it all as a press...
Any wonder why monkeys ever came down from the trees and are standing a
step from blowing the planet to pieces,if they don't suffocate to death
before that?

My best wishes (...and prayers, I guess...)
Dimitris



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From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 03:57:53 -0500
Subject: [Baren 19133] Re: firemans prints oops 09/11/2002 04:02:52 AM 

Georga, in case she does not get to you on time, Sharen Linder is here with
me in Illinois. Her home town is Palatine.

Thanks so much for putting our 911 prints on display...please take some
snapshots for the website ! Often you'll find that people are very
receptive to displaying art work, usually it just takes the asking and
willingness to do a bit of work...

Hey Dan, I have a similar job waiting for me with my kitchen....been
putting it off...all those cabinet doors ! When is your next trip thru
Chicago ? {;-)


thanks...Julio



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