Baren Digest             Saturday, 7 September 2002     Volume 20 : Number 1950


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From: G Wohlken <blueman@pantek.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 09:40:54 +0000
Subject: [Baren 19084] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1949 

Thanks for tips about saving files for printing.  We ended up 
downloading a free trial of Pagemaker from the internet, and did the 
work in that program (There is a lot of text, as well as the woodcut 
image).  Anyway, my son put the file (which was huge) on a disk, took it 
to work (since they have pagemaker there and the big map makers' 
printer) and for whatever reason, their computers couldn't read the 
disk.  He is going to give the cd to the director of the theater and 
have her take it somewhere to have it printed in a poster size.  I have 
a lot still to learn about computers.  It would have been an easy thing 
if it were just the image I had to have printed, but an image with text 
is a whole different thing.  

Gayle  



>I'd take it to Kinkos if you have one in your area.  They "should" be able
>to take your disc and pop it out on a large poster-sized copier
>  >
>Ask your son if the machine will accept a jpeg, which is universal.
>Then save your Mac image as a jpg.
>
>d. dew
>
>I'm a functioning computer illiterate so you probably 
>have already tried turning the file's into Giffs. I 
>mention this because I had a similar, though reversed, 
>problem with some computer files that I took to Kinko's. 
>Their computers could not read my PC's Riff, Btmp, or 
>Jpeg files.... but the Mac could read them once I turned 
>them into Giff files.
>
>But if there's any subtlety or a large range of color, the gifs won't be 
>able to pick it up, since they have restricted color plaettes.  The jpeg 
>should work, if you save it in Photoship  Or, the MAC Photoshop might give 
>you the option of saving a bmp image in Windows format.
>
>  >




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From: "PHARE-CAMP,PATTI (HP-USA,ex1)" <patricia_phare-camp@hp.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:24:51 -0700 
Subject: [Baren 19085] RE: Baren Digest V20 #1949 

"Then save your Mac image as a jpg." d. dew

"...program on the Mac that would translate..." georga

Georga:  PDF files also cross platform.  Any one with the free Adobe Acrobat
reader can open it.  It is also the file format for artwork preferred by
offset printers as the colors usually don't get altered from the original.
pdfFactory is an inexpensive and easy to use conversion program
http://www.fineprint.com/index.html but your son or a friend may have the
full version of Adobe Acrobat, even Kinko's can convert it for you!

Patti P-C

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From: "Bill H. Ritchie, Jr." <ritchie@seanet.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:51:16 -0700
Subject: [Baren 19086] Re: Baren Digest V20 

Gayle, regarding Bette Wappner's suggestion to use a Kinko's in Ohio (there
are about thirty in your state) I can add this:

I've been researching, almost daily, Kinko's ability to function as my
"printmaking at a distance" in connection with my theory of art ed on-line.
What Bette says is true. And if there's not one conveniently near you,
they'll be happy to send you the print via FedEx--for a price.

I've kept my works small--artistamps, postcards, etc--thinking "In and Out
of Kinko's" for under $2.00 a day is about right for my daily "fast art
fix".

For one of my new art patrons in Virginia (3000 miles from my studio in
Seattle), for example, I produced and had printed at Kinko's (near her
Richmond office) a broadside. You can see it at her gallery on my Web site
at www.artsport.com/binsfiel.html

The large sized printer at my nearest Kinko's is around 40 inches wide and
mostly they print vinyl banners, but they print on paper, too. Not cheap
enough, however, for quick posters in volume. They work by the square foot,
so think in terms of $30-$40 and up, I think. It's like giclee, but they
don't use that "art" talk word.

Naturally this is not original fine art printmaking--there's no artist's
hand or face to face encounters (of the third kind). I am finding it
entertaining, however, to work sometimes all on-line and maybe someday even
meeting these distant contacts face to face.

If not now, possibly in a another world.

Bill, under a Seattle morning sun.

Professional Career Site: www.seanet.com/~ritchie
First Emeralda Portal Site: www.artsport.com
Bill's Virtual Art Gallery & e-commerce Site: www.myartpatron.com
Snail Mail: 500 Aloha #105, Seattle 98109
e-mail: ritchie@seanet.com


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From: "PHARE-CAMP,PATTI (HP-USA,ex1)" <patricia_phare-camp@hp.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:37:30 -0700 
Subject: [Baren 19087] RE: Baren Digest V20 #1949 

Maria: 

Very well said!  

I sometimes sell ink jet or color photocopied reproductions.  I do have
personal standards when I do so.  

1. They are matted and shrink wrapped.
2. Or they are blank inside note cards.
3. They are never over $25.
4. They are signed but not numbered.

Since they are displayed in a print case with several originals and there
are also framed originals hanging it's easy for me to inform interested
viewers about the difference between originals, reproductions and jet
prints.  I will tell the viewer that if you absolutely love a work by a
particular artist, but can't afford the original, a reproduction is ok to
hang so you can look at it everyday (I have Van Gogh reproductions for just
that reason).  But I tell the buyer -- beware, such reproductions are not
great works of art, simply a copy and will probably never appreciate in
value.  Most consumers have no idea that such a purchase is not a financial
"investment."  I still sell several copies, but the buyer is making an
informed purchase (most of them are students who simply want something
inexpensive but nice to hang on their dorm wall).

I also tell consumers that if they want to seriously collect art for
investment they should take at least one semester of art appreciation at a
local community college so they will learn how to view and judge artist.
That way they can knowledgably purchase emerging and student artist's works
for about the same price as reproductions by more established artists.

I've also been known to just about give away an original to someone (usually
a student) who is obviously very taken with a piece.  One of my coworkers
has been gifted every birthday with original pieces she oohed and awed over
simply because she spoke up and asked if she may "have" a color photocopy I
was showing to another coworker.  I gave her the photocopy and later for her
birthday I gave her the original, framed.  I would rather have a print
hanging where it's appreciated than taking up studio drawer space...

Carve! Carve!

Patti P-C

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From: jimandkatemundie@juno.com
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:13:18 -0500
Subject: [Baren 19088] Re: Munakata Shiko: Japanese Master of the Modern Print" 
at the Philadelphia Museum of Art 

Julio wrote:


> A few years back ... I had the awesome experience
> of holding in my hands (caressing was more like it!) a woodblock 
> carved by Munakata.   ...
> The story goes that back in the late 60's master Munakata 
> visited Chicago at the invitation of local art patrons and Mrs. Aiko.  
> During an improptu demonstation, Munakata carved and printed the block to the 
> delight of the audience.
> 
> It was hard to control my excitement. That beautiful black ink all 
> over the artists bold carving!  Even after 30+ years you could sense the 
> magnificent creative force and dynamics of the man ...all contained on that 
> 10X14" piece of wood.
> 
> Jim...how long does the Philly exhibit runs ? a trip to Philly comes 
> to mind!!!


You have until the 10th of November, and airfare has been cheap (hotels,
too) ...  
If you do plan to come let me know when you're going to be here and I'll
give you a tour.
There's a heap of printmaking in this town.

Regards,
James Mundie
http://missioncreep.com/mundie/index.htm

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From: "Jean Womack" <jeaneger@jeaneger.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:38:22 -0700
Subject: [Baren 19089] Re:   Baren Digest V20 #1949 

It seems like if Carol Pulin really wanted 911 art and not just people to
follow her directions, she would have taken that 911 print I sent in, and
stood it on its side, so it would be just like all the others, and then
included it in the show.  That's the kind of creative thing they would do in
New York.  That's why New York is the center of the art world and the rest
of the country is just following orders, sometimes, when they are not
ungratefully whining and complaining.

Jean Eger Womack

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From: Chris Bremmer <cbremmer@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:27:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 19090] Re:   Baren Digest V20 #1949 

I'd guess I'd beg to differ with that....

Chris


- --- Jean Womack <jeaneger@jeaneger.com> wrote:

> It seems like if Carol Pulin really wanted 911
> art and not just people to
> follow her directions, she would have taken
> that 911 print I sent in, and
> stood it on its side, so it would be just like
> all the others, and then
> included it in the show.  That's the kind of
> creative thing they would do in
> New York.  That's why New York is the center of
> the art world and the rest
> of the country is just following orders,
> sometimes, when they are not
> ungratefully whining and complaining.
> Jean Eger Womack
> 




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From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" <lbmason71@attbi.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:15:05 -0700
Subject: [Baren 19091] Cases list fot 14 and 14a  

Baren printers.
If you ordered a case and are not on this list, please let me know. If you
want one at the last minute, also contact me. If you haven't paid, please do
so at your earliest convenience. Send a check to me or use pay pal or pay
through the mall.
Best to all.
Barbara Mason
4440 SW 198
Aloha OR 97007


> #14
> George Jarvis
> Patricial Giclas
> Muke Lyon
> Brad Schwartz
> John Cleverdon
> Maria Arango
> Jean Eger Womack
> Melissa Reed Devine
> Maurice Fykes
> Barbara Mason
> Louise Cass
> Richard Campbell
>
>
> #14A
> George Jarvis
> Mike Lyon
> Dan Dew
> Sylvia Taylor
> Barbara Mason
> Bea Gold
> Jean Eger Womack


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From: "marilynn smih" <marilynnsmih@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:54:12 -0700
Subject: [Baren 19092] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1947 

Since I did not take out a seperate address for 14a I am reporting to the 
list.  I have received print packets from:
Kat Pukas
John Center
Jean Eager Womack
Mike Lyon

My town is small and they route the mail through the city so if you have 
mailed a packet and I have not yet gotten it be patient.  Also I am back and 
forth still, I am moving.  I leave here on Monday and Thrusday fly to Las 
Vegas to see my daughters new place and new car.  So do not panic if you 
have sent me a packet and do not hear for a week or more, sorry about that, 
but the exchange is coming along fine.
Marilynn
Oh yes, the work so far is wonderful, my postal lady loved them.

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From: <Philip238@copper.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:33:58 -0700
Subject: [Baren 19093] Re:   Baren Digest V20 #1949 

Dido!!!

Philip
Hammond, OR


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From: Sharri LaPierre <Barebonesart@attbi.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:48:00 -0700
Subject: [Baren 19094] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1949 

Gail,

I think you can save your file as a Tiff and either put it on disc or 
email it to the printer.  Do not save as a Jpeg - Jpeg compresses and 
you lose digital information which will be crucial on something the size 
you are doing. Since most graphics are done on Mac, it should not be a 
problem.
Sharri

PS - I see by reading the forum that you have now been advised to save 
it as every file possible! Good luck.


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