Baren Digest               Sunday, 24 March 2002       Volume 18 : Number 1774


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From: Louise Cass <lcass@primus.ca>
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:48:27 -0500
Subject: [Baren 17642] Re: speedball ink and pigments. 

Graham -

I have to answer - Of course Rowney's stuff is equal to and sometimes
better than Winsor Newton - I find I actually have more Rowney pans
in my 'Daler-Rowney' sketch box than W.N. - I always replenish it on
my trips to the U.K. There are also many w.c. papers and sketch books we
don't get here (not that we can't buy the colours here) I just can't
keep away from the wonderful art suppliers in the U.K. and France and
buy stuff I can't really afford!

And Barbara - this is quite amusing - no one here (who SHOULD be familiar
with the term) appears to know what 'rewetting' means - I didn't at first
myself when you mentioned 'rewetting' glues - I'm having fun testing it -is
it perhaps a particularly American term??
L.C.

At 05:37 PM 3/22/02 -0800, you wrote:

> Louise wrote..... It looks like I've raised a hornet's nest with my
>problem which turns out, 
> Just a discussion that is important to express two side of the
>situation.   As individuals grow with there work so does the expectations
>for their materials.  I felt that many people doing the exchange prints
>would be interested in using a higher grade product.  
> "  and when dry the ink won't bleed whereas the Speedball inks do.   
>What is your experience.  
> I must say I like the look of the Graph Chem water base black - it's a
>beautiful rich colour as opposed to Speedball and just as with Winsor
>Newton artist's colours altho' twice as expensive because of the
>pigmentation it goes twice as far. 
> Don't overlook Rowney's products ... they are excellent. 
> > .... These will give you just that with all degrees of control. 
> I have used these for all my work and vouch for them 100%. Hey and the
>price is right.  
> Louise, did you get an answer and solution about those pine plates that
>warped? 
> Regards Graham 
> 
> 

http://www.LCassArt.com

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From: "DRAGO G KISIC" <kisic@PRODIGY.NET>
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:06:48 -0500
Subject: [Baren 17643] Re: speedball ink and pigments. 

hello, I've received no answer yet about which would be the best press for
xilography and intaglio , (the best brand and best prices)    thank you,
maria .

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From: Vishnovus@aol.com
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:21:08 EST
Subject: [Baren 17644] Re: speedball ink and pigments. 

Chances are you wont get advice from this group about intaglio/etching 
presses, as this group generally uses a baren and relief block methods.
There are other printmaker groups on the web.
I enjoy both relief and intaglio processes. I have a  26"x 50"Conrad etching 
press and Im very happy with it. This doesnt mean that this is the best press 
for you. I suggest you contact Graphic Chemical. They know about presses.
Good luck
Ld Lawrence

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From: "Philip Smith" <SmithArt@Pacifier.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:34:15 -0800
Subject: [Baren 17645] Re: speedball ink again 

You mentioned YES paste again.
United Framing Supply has a mounting paste, which is waterless, for about
$16 a gal. Same stuff as YES. They are at WWW.Unitedmfrs.com and
800-645-7260. Call them and get their catalog.
Good luck,
Philip
Hammond, OR
97121

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From: sirima <sirima@hwy1studios.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:48:04 -0800
Subject: [Baren 17646] RE: advice for buying a press (for Maria) 

Hi Maria,
well criteria for buying a press can be rather personal.

My requirements were:
- --affordable!
- --well designed (good feel, practical, precise, efficent)
- --Large bed
- --flexible

ok. so that said.

I bought a Takach table top, combo litho, etching press 4" diameter etching
roller head for about $6100 US.
http://www.takachpress.com/etchtbl/index.htm

Why?

I have use Brand, Griffin, French Tool, home made press. I've seen Pragda
and table top Conrad etching press. Their respective owners all seemed happy
with their presses. Only some of Griffin owners seem to have trouble with
the bearing breaking. (I guess ask for a larger bearing)

1. best value for the $.

2. Little Details made the difference for me. (microgauges, locking pin for
press bed and crank, storage for tympans, the action of the press...) I used
a floor model Takach litho press at UC Santa Cruz and the press was SWEET!.

3. can run stone litho (if mounted on the higher bolt setting). I don't need
super heavy press. if I id I would have gotten the 7" dia roller head for
ease of use.

4. They are helpful and knowledgable. I like the service. (Dave Takach et
al)

5. Taking to other professional printmakers and monitoring online
discussions on buying printing presses (several). Takach seems known as the
'cadillac' of printing presses. (subjective group opinion)


What else would I buy?
I'd like to get a proofing press next to run my smaller stuff. restores
letterpresses are I found some under $3000 but the bed size was too small. I
tend to work really large or really small. (go figure.)


BTW- Takach sells paper too and they have the best price for Rives
Lightweight 26" x 40" 115 gsm (if you work large and want a creamy medium
bodied paper) 1.75 (min. 100 sheets), 25 % discount on large order defrays
the shipping cost and no tax (outside of NM). They also have professional
grade Japanese papers.

sirima

>hello, I've received no answer yet about which would be the best press for
>xilography and intaglio , 




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From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:13:49 -0800
Subject: [Baren 17647] Re: speedball ink and pigments.  

Louise,
Maybe I made it up, I use this term all the time but am not sure where it
came from. Unlikely I just invented it so it must come from
somewhere.....anyone on the list heard it before or is it truly mine????????
Barbara

From: "Louise Cass" <lcass@primus.ca>


> And Barbara - this is quite amusing - no one here (who SHOULD be familiar
> with the term) appears to know what 'rewetting' means - I didn't at first
> myself when you mentioned 'rewetting' glues - I'm having fun testing

it -is

> it perhaps a particularly American term??
> L.C.




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From: Graham <gscholes@woodblock.info>
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:46:33 -0800
Subject: [Baren 17648] Re: The other forum ...PA 

go over to Print Australia.  I think you will have a better chance of get 
answers to your questions there.

PrintAustralia@yahoogroups.com where you will join and them be able 
to post your questions. 

Lots a Luck

Graham


>hello, I've received no answer yet about which would be the best press for
>xilography and intaglio , (the best brand and best prices)    thank you,
>maria .
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Louise Cass" <


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From: "Dan Sabo" <dan@dansabo.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:07:33 -0500
Subject: [Baren 17652] Re: advice for buying a press (for Maria) 

Hi Maria,

I own a Conrad E-24 press with 6" diameter rollers, have had it for 1 1/2
years and LOVE it!  I also know Tom Conrad personally and have been to his
factory in Whitehall Michigan, and that man and his firm are top drawer.

He has that planetary gear drive and the press is built like a tank.  If
bombs were falling I would want to hide under my Conrad.

Dan

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