Baren Digest Thursday, 7 March 2002 Volume 18 : Number 1751 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:58:17 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17352] Re: Yes glue No, it is not polymer based. It is rewetting. Gets completely dry and then completely wet again like wheat paste. Barbara >I believe someone asked for the Canadian equivalent of Yes glue. If >Yes is a PVA, polyvinyl acetate, then there are a few... Several of the >'white' glues would be acid free, dry clear and be water soluble, in >other words, archival. I have used LePages Bond-Fast, Elmer's and >Ross's white glues. I have used them to stretch watercolor paper, and >now to glue the hanshita onto my blocks ready for cutting. >Nancy O. ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:20:28 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17353] Re: HANGA EXPENSIVE !! >We are planning to make this a recurrent thing, so perhaps in the future. That would be grand.... I'll wait. >It is not cheap to fly to Canada from the US, regardless of the exchange >rate, Well it is the same for Canadian to fly to USA with the added cost of your $ it make if very expensive. >whereas holding the bash in Kansas City will allow many of us to >drive/camp on the way. You are allowed to drive across the 49th ... sorry no guns allowed....(<: and camp here. >Also, as there is no fee and free accommodations I would like to hear more about this.... free is good ... what's the deal... as Barbara says, sorry no floors thanks Marnie and I are saving the pennies to try and get to Australia and Japan. Graham/Sidney BC An Island in the Pacific Home of the Boot Camp The finest of learning experiences. http://woodblock.info ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:58:48 +0900 Subject: [Baren 17354] Re: 'Meaning' of hanga ... Julio wrote: > But I think the real japanese meaning of the word 'hanga' is PRINTS. ... and Mike replied: > More precisely, han=block ga=made so 'hanga' = 'block print' Yes and no Mike ... Back in the pre-press era a hundred years ago, when all printing in Japan was done from wood, the term 'hanga' _was_ synonymous what we would now call a woodcut print (whether text or image). But in the modern age, the term 'han' has a meaning closer to 'plate', and includes copper plates, offset plates, you name it. So these days, the term 'hanga' simply means print, and includes etchings, lithos, silkscreens, woodcuts, etc. etc. If somebody is a 'hanga-ka', they could be an etcher ... When you prefix it with 'moku' (wood), it is then limited to woodblock produced work. What I make are called 'moku hanga', although I am still known as a 'hanga-ka', as nobody uses the term 'moku hanga-ka' ... We have a bit of intercultural miscommunication here, because it seems that over in the US, the term 'hanga' is coming (has come) to indicate woodblock prints made in a Japanese traditional method, but over here 'hanga' just means ... prints. Dave ------------------------------ From: Dan Dew Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:03:25 -0500 Subject: [Baren 17355] Hanga? I had me one of them hanga's once, but went to the docter and he fixed me up right quick. Now, if ya don't chew on your nails no more, ya'll won't get no hanga's neither Bubba ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:02:46 EST Subject: [Baren 17356] Andrea Rich's email address Hi all, if anyone has Andrea Rich's email address or Andrea, if you're there, please email me offline w/the info. I need to send her an email about something. And of course congrats to all the Marias in all the shows [:)] best wishes Sarah ------------------------------ From: FurryPressII@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:06:14 EST Subject: [Baren 17357] Re: HANGA INTENSIVE !! can oily folk come rofl john center ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:28:26 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17358] Re: HANGA INTENSIVE !! >can oily folk come rofl >john center Ya, but don't be late... Graham ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne N. Chase" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:05:18 -0500 Subject: [Baren 17359] Re: Prints Golly , gee whiz, just received all of the prints from the last exchange. In my opinion they were superior . I want to thank Mike and all of the other participants for the lovely portfolio. What a wonderful present. Good news today, besides the prints arriving. The County has finally, after over 2 months approved the renovation of my studio. With luck , I should be in there by August. Also wish to thank the people in my support group who helped with my supplies. Now, In a few months I will be up and running again. In the meantime, I am uplifted and you will hear from me, whether you like it or not, on the Baren. We went out and celebrated tonight, I feel like a new person and can start all over again. Thanks Mike for all the work as Coordinator and for sending me the fantastic portfolio. Did I mention before that all of the portfolios were safe at home and were not destroyed in the fire? Luv to you all Jeanne N. ------------------------------ From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:01:56 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17360] Kansas City Party The answer is ...maybe....actually it is yes. I am an oily person most of the time. Barbara > can oily folk come rofl > john center > ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:48:01 -0600 Subject: [Baren 17361] Re: 'Meaning' of hanga ... Oooo.... Glad you're back, Dave-san... I stand corrected (Julio!) and am up to date in my pigeon 20th C Japanese now. Thanks, guys. Mike At 08:58 AM 03/07/2002 +0900, you wrote: >Julio wrote: >>But I think the real japanese meaning of the word 'hanga' is PRINTS. > >... and Mike replied: >>More precisely, han=block ga=made so 'hanga' = 'block print' > >Yes and no Mike ... Back in the pre-press era a hundred years ago, when >all printing in Japan was done from wood, the term 'hanga' _was_ >synonymous what we would now call a woodcut print (whether text or >image). But in the modern age, the term 'han' has a meaning closer to >'plate', and includes copper plates, offset plates, you name it. > >So these days, the term 'hanga' simply means print, and includes etchings, >lithos, silkscreens, woodcuts, etc. etc. If somebody is a 'hanga-ka', >they could be an etcher ... When you prefix it with 'moku' (wood), it is >then limited to woodblock produced work. What I make are called 'moku >hanga', although I am still known as a 'hanga-ka', as nobody uses the term >'moku hanga-ka' ... > >We have a bit of intercultural miscommunication here, because it seems >that over in the US, the term 'hanga' is coming (has come) to indicate >woodblock prints made in a Japanese traditional method, but over here >'hanga' just means ... prints. > >Dave > ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:37:30 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17362] tradition John and Dan and others who might be wondering, oily people are welcomed at the 2003 Hanga Intensive. However, the focus of the expertise being exchanged will be on traditional Japanese printmaking method (you know, the watery stuff). I'm strictly an oily gal, but I'm looking forward to see and practice live the traditional Japanese ways. This means I will leave my brayers at home and submit to the live practice and guidance of those who know better. The traditional method is tough to learn, there are many things that you pretty much have to see done in order to understand and even more that are better practiced under a watchful eye than explained by a book, no matter how well. Much as I can't see myself making a watery-pasty mess over a perfectly good piece of cherry (:-), I am very much looking forward to seeing and learning. Heck, before I learned about Moku-hanga, the only use I had for rice paste was in a bowl in the morning with milk and sugar. Seriously, I don't feel that oily folk should be intimidated or turned off by learning a new way, which is really the oldest way. Sometime we may have a humongous-driveway-print-get-together, or an end-grain-get-together, or a solar-plate-get-together. This time we focus on learning a glimpse of the traditional Japanese ways. Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:03:53 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17363] Re: Kansas City Party >The answer is ...maybe....actually it is yes. >I am an oily person most of the time. >Barbara Oh no..... I have failed. Two years at boot camp and the oily Barb is mostly.... Graham ------------------------------ From: "Murilo Pereira" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:04:55 -0300 Subject: [Baren 17364] Re: HANGA INTENSIVE !! i WANNA GO TOO. i'M WANTING VERY MUCH TO KNOW YOU AND TO STAY AND STUDY WITH YOU ALL WONDERFUL ARTISTS, i'M GONNA ASK FOR SOME HELP FOR THE TICKETS. IT WOULD BE MY FIRST INTERNATIONAL TRIP. AS YOU KNOW i'M NO RICH PERSON. ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:18:07 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17365] Re: tradition maria wrote..... >I'm strictly an oily gal, but I'm looking forward to see and practice live >the traditional Japanese ways. This means I will leave my brayers at home >and submit to the live practice and guidance of those who know better. The >traditional method is tough to learn, there are many things that you pretty >much have to see done in order to understand and even more that are better >practiced under a watchful eye than explained by a book, Maria is right on with this post. Boot Camp has 2 spots available.... Graham ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V18 #1751 *****************************