Baren Digest Sunday, 24 February 2002 Volume 18 : Number 1736 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "April Vollmer" Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:44:21 -0500 Subject: [Baren 17155] Providing What? Open letter to Sarah: AOL is notorious for not giving many options...and for censoring and loading things on your hard drive without asking! It may be that the unwanted code is unavoidable with that provider. People use it because it comes free, but not the best choice. I use Earthlink, which offers good support, though I haven't needed it! April ------------------------------ From: "Jean Eger Womack" Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:55:53 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17156] embossment Embossment on a near edge while printing can be avoided by "spooning" the print. Instead of using a baren, one can use a spoon to rub the paper, thus avoiding contact with the nearby edge. Jean E W ------------------------------ From: "nancy osadchuk" Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:51:00 -0700 Subject: [Baren 17157] Re: Baren Digest V18 #1735 Here comes another lurker ...I am also new to hanga and thought I would try the shoe brushes. They are made of horsehair alright, but it must be mane hair, not tail hair as it is finer and far too soft for printing. They are now keeping company with the rest of the shoe care products! By the way I am ever so glad I subscribed to this forum, it has a wealth of information. Nancy O. ---------------------- From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:04:50 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17158] shoe brushes Nancy, I am a novice also, but maybe one notch up. The critical thing about the brushes is the sharpness of the hairs. Read the encyclopedia about this, it is why they are sharpend on sharkskin. New ways have been tried, using a grater attached to a sanding wheel is mentioned somewhere. Also the shape of the brushes, slightly rounded on the edges. This is usually done by burning the brushes, but it smells rotten. I think the sanding wheel would work, a little more time but smells a lot better. If you use the brushes without sharpening them, you could get drag marks in the ink. Very frustrating as you think it is your technique and it is the brushes themselves. Read, read, read and suddenly it will be clear. It took me a couple of years to figure it all out, but I have a thick skull. Perhaps someone with more experience can find some photos here somewhere for you, of what the brushe hairs should look like under magnification. The ones sold in the baren mall are already the right shape, so look at those. http://www.barenforum.org/mall/products/maru_bake.html Best to you, Barbara ------------------------------ From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:49:59 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17159] archives need help Hi printmakers We still need to find these prints for the archives....I will hound you until we do..I am like a dog with a bone. hehehehe It would be a shame for the archives not to be complete. I have received a print from Andrea Rich and will forward it on to Steve at the Spencer Museum...If anyone else on this list has an extra copy, pleeeeease send it either to myself or to Steve Goddard at the Spencer. If I had been in #6 I would send my copys....but it is one I missed. I will send the print for Daryl from #7 from my set. Best to all, Barbara Mason 4440 SW 198 Aloha OR 97007 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Goddard" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:23 AM > Hi Barbara, > > We have finally gotten around to cataloguing the portfolios. In so doing we > noticed several prints are missing. I'm not sure what we can do about this > but thought you'd want to know. Here's what is missing: > > > portfolio #6 > Arafat Al-Naim "Landscape" > Jean Eger "Fog" > Sharen Linder "Coleus Cutting" > Bobbie Mandel "Mine Eyes have seen the glory" > Michelle Morrell "The Watcher" > Andrea Rich "Low in the Water" > > > > Portfolio #7 > Daryl Depry "Who's got his might?" ------------------------------ From: Rob Brown Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:07:03 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17160] Re: harassment Not that you would be sending attachments (images etc...) to the list... however if you are going to send attachments to some one... compress them. Use this application its free. all that you do is drag the files on the icon... boom presto http://www.stuffit.com what happens is that web based email, and some others try translating the files, thats why you get all the gooobldy gook ROBERT BROWN - rob@roloplane.com ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:43:03 EST Subject: [Baren 17161] Re: archives need help what exactly do you need barbara? georga ------------------------------ From: barebonesart Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:01:10 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17162] Re: Baren Digest V18 #1735 I highly recommend that if you are considering going the mechanization route that you consider investing in a Foredom. It is worth the extra expense and does a beautiful job of clearing out and does lots of other neat things, too! My arthritis insisted that I do something to help, and this has been a good solution. The dust seems to be about the same as working by hand - I haven't seen a big problem with it. With the extra funds spent you get very little noise. I don't even have to turn the radio up, Maria! It operates with a foot pedal so you have both hands free to rotate the block & work away. Of course, if you intend to work at the beach it will require a very long extension cord, but for studio work it is a jewel. The fringe benefit is it looks like you could take in dental work on the side. (I think it goes up to 40,000 rpm - but won't swear to that -) Sharri ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne N. Chase" Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:37:17 -0500 Subject: [Baren 17163] Re: Large Print Exchange Dear Rudolf That is very kind of you to think of sending me a set of the large prints. Sorry, that I could not participate at this time. Since the package could not fit in my mailbox (I am still picking up my regular mail at my ex studio until it is rebuilt). Could you send it to my home address; Jeanne Norman Chase 6244 Crestwood Ave. Sarasota, Fl. 34231 I really think it is very gracious of you to want to send me an extra set. What a wonderful treat!!!! Jeanne ------------------------------ From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:05:14 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17164] Fw: archives need help Georga, The prints listed on the bottom are missing from the archive set. Guess I was not clear enough. Barbara > > portfolio #6 > > Arafat Al-Naim "Landscape" > > Jean Eger "Fog" > > Sharen Linder "Coleus Cutting" > > Bobbie Mandel "Mine Eyes have seen the glory" > > Michelle Morrell "The Watcher" > > Andrea Rich "Low in the Water" > > > > > > > > Portfolio #7 > > Daryl Depry "Who's got his might?" > > ------------------------------ From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:25:22 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17165] Demo of Hanga Just a quick report to let you all know that I know more than I thought. I showed a friend and I think a Baren lurker, Maurice Fykes, how to print hanga woodblock today. It went very well, I printed that little bird I did at bootcamp, Graham. I kept telling Maurice how much I had learned there and it is so true. Books are great, but seeing it done is worth so much. Watching Graham and Dave both print work has sure been an eye opener....I was using way too much paste and pigment and water.....what a mess I was making. I am excited about doing woodblock all over again....just wish I were a better carver. The printing, which seems to be everyones nemisis is ok for me after a couple of years, but the carving is killing me. Guess I need another week at bootcamp! I highly recommed it for anyone who wants to learn....the price is right and the instruction is great. See http://www.woodblock.info/bootcamp looks like one space is still available. Graham, I showed your prints (some of my prized possessions) as well as the exchange prints to Maurice, we spent about 90 minutes just looking at art. It was a real nostalgia trip, made me miss my fellow bootcampers a lot. Nothing like making are for 7days straight together to bond people. It was sure a lot of fun to see how far we have come and see the general improvement in the quality of the work in the exchanges. It will be a really hard decision which prints to show this summer. Out of 240 prints I can only pick about 50 for space reasons....I will just do my best to get a good cross selection of our work. So, cut and print! Best to all, Barbara ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:39:47 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17166] Re:Foredom tool If you can afford a Foredom *<:( it is worth every cent. You are right on with regards to the Foredom power tool Sharri. I think the fast rpm is 20,000 according to there website. http://www.foredom.com Its worth a boo to see the cadilac of tools.... I would look long and hard at a Dremel.... a carver friend of mine says they are a poorly built and won't last. Actually he sez, "they are a piece of junk compared to Foredom". You still enjoying yours Kent? Graham >I highly recommend that if you are considering going the mechanization route >that you consider investing in a Foredom. It is worth the extra expense and >does a beautiful job of clearing out and does lots of other neat things, >too! My arthritis insisted that I do something to help, and this has been a >good solution. The dust seems to be about the same as working by hand - I >haven't seen a big problem with it. With the extra funds spent you get very >little noise. I don't even have to turn the radio up, Maria! It operates >with a foot pedal so you have both hands free to rotate the block & work >away. Of course, if you intend to work at the beach it will require a very >long extension cord, but for studio work it is a jewel. The fringe benefit >is it looks like you could take in dental work on the side. (I think it goes >up to 40,000 rpm - but won't swear to that -) > >Sharri ------------------------------ From: "kent kirkpatrick" Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:46:33 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17167] Re: Baren Digest V18 #1735 Concerning what Mike Lyon and Maria Arango wrote in response to Bill Ritchie Jr: about electric carving tools (and in particular a Dremel one Mike Lyon wrote: >A sharp gouge makes very short work of clearing large areas even in the hardest woods. While there is nothing wrong with this statement, I ask in comparsion to what? I am using a 1/8 H.P. Foredom Flexible Shaft Tool with a Wecheer Industrial Co. Flexible Shaft Carving Tool and variable speed foot pedal control.  Sounds like I've got a race car doesn't it?. By the time Mike is doing hisgouge sharpening, I'm sipping my second latte (if I drank such concoctions) admiring what the tool accomplished. I agree with Mike about the sound of wood being carved and nothing beats hand carving for details. The tool is loud but it leaves hand chiseling in the (saw)dust as far asthe task of clearing Cherry wood goes. Maria Arango wrote: >I would check catalogs for the Cadillac >models of these things and look for low vibration, low noise. I would agree with that although in just using the main handpiece tool of the Foredom, It is just the carving attachment that is so. There are some high end power carvers available if youare justinterested in the carving Bill. I'm into this for some $350 + with the carving attachement and have fooled around with the main handpiece tool a little.  I am planning to use the main handpiece to zip out some smaller areas between a pattern I carved ona woodblock and am counting on it to save me a lot of time. I am really interested in creating new techniques with the handpiece bits and so am interested in what Maria had to say about aquiring dental drill bits. By the way Maria, thanks again for leading me to this tool several months ago on this forum. ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:24:25 EST Subject: [Baren 17168] Re: Large Print Exchange Hi Jean, You are part of the Firemens exhibit and viewers think it is quite appropriate for your print to be included. when I tell them about you. About 20 prints have sold and more than 160 people have signed the guest book and commented . Maria said she will put the photos on the Show and Tell. There was a furor over a mistake I made in sending them out. It was a ludicrous to-do. I am very OK with it . Best to you from Bill and Me Love Carol ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:38:34 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17169] RE: rotary things You are welcome Kent! Yet another way to get rid of that fuzzy edge when using these things is a standard bic shaver, which is safer to use than a flat chisel. I forgot to mention that earlier. Graham, oh wise of all wisest, I have owned a $59 Dremel for 4 years, the handpiece came with it and the reciprocating attachment cost me a whole $39 (bits included). If someone were to want to TRY this stuff I think this is a much better way to go than the $350 Foredom, that being my personal opinion. Then upgrade later if you like the feel of the thing; attachments are interchangeable as are nearly all the bits. As for Dremel being junk, that of course is your personal opinion, to which you have absolute right. The little wonder will last a few years even when subjected to an energetic Spaniard's abusive style. My good friend Daryl is doing some absolutely wonderful stuff with a Roto-zip ($160), which works more like a mini-router than a rotary tool. Now this thing will clear wood in a hurry! Carry on, Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:14:11 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17170] Re: rotary things >Graham, oh wise of all wisest, Thank you but I can't take any credit for the statement about dremels. >As for Dremel being junk, that of course is your personal opinion, >to which you have absolute right. Well excuse me....... Hey..... Don't shoot the messenger Maria. I just forwarded information from a carver whom I respect. You have jumped the mark as it was not my personal opinion. I just felt it was worthy of letting folks know. Is there any harm in that? Gawd your touchy..... Graham Hey Kent, are gonna bring that little Foredom beauty to BootCamp. ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V18 #1736 *****************************