Baren Digest Friday, 22 February 2002 Volume 18 : Number 1734 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "April Vollmer" Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:42:04 -0500 Subject: [Baren 17116] Of Pastes and Binders I use methyl cellulose in place of rice paste as a color "conditioner" for want of a better word. It makes the color print smoothly (no goma zuri texture). Some people prefer traditional rice paste, but they function similarly. The advantage is that methyl cellulose doesn't mould. It is NOT a binder, just a paste. The BINDER is stronger, stickier. For watercolor and gouache it is gum arabic. For sumi ink it is animal glue. I add gum arabic when I use plain pigment suspensions (pigment ground in water). April Vollmer www.aprilvollmer.com ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:34:52 EST Subject: [Baren 17117] Re: Of Pastes and Binders Are there any disadvantages to Gouache other than it is opaque? It's easy to use. I like it. Carol. ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:40:19 EST Subject: [Baren 17118] pigments Deanna, if you're buying pigments, it is MUCH safer to buy them dispersed in water rather than grinding or mixing the powdered pigments. If you're in the states, you can order them this way from Guerra. Their phone number is (212) 529-0628 - they may have a toll free number, you can ask them when you call. Also, if you use Susan Rostow's akua kolor, you don't have to mix them with anything except for rice paste or methyl cellulose right on the block. have fun! Sarah ------------------------------ From: "Jean Eger Womack" Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:39:42 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17119] harassment I think it is harassment when someone is asked nicely by several people to stop sending yards of gibberish that some people can read as pictures because they get individual emails, and she doesn't stop doing it. Why are we being harassed, Carol? Thiis is a very legitimiate artists group. I guess the Baren exchange was working too well for some people's liking. Jean Eger Womack e-mail: jeaneger@jeaneger.com http://www.jeaneger.com ------------------------------ From: FurryPressII@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 09:17:15 EST Subject: [Baren 17120] Re: harassment jean take a chill if your computer does not read something just delete it no big deal. I am glad to have seen the photos of the prints. The posts about the year, dates etc have nothing to do with the group and i have no interst in them so all i did was delete them. john center ------------------------------ From: Chris Bremmer Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 06:34:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 17121] Re: harassment I thought the picture posts were probably the most interesting thing that's been on this list in the last month. Chris ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 09:56:48 -0600 Subject: [Baren 17122] Re: Baren Digest V18 #1731 At 11:56 AM 2/21/2002 +0900, you wrote: >From: Printmaker >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:29:46 +1100 >Subject: [Baren 17102] MDF and digests > >Hi all > >A quick note re MDF. Its manufactured board and I have heard >(somewhere, dont ask where) that it emits toxic fumes. >SOmething in the chemicals used in manufacture. So the >recommendation is to cut it outside and wear a mask. Or >something like that. Yes, Printmaker, that's correct about toxicity for MDF, but the caution is because the sawdust from cutting with power tools can cause problems. I don't believe that hand-carvers will experience any problem at all, indoors or out. Mike Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon@mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:19:31 -0600 Subject: [Baren 17123] Re: Baren Digest V18 #1733 At 10:01 PM 2/21/2002 +0900, you wrote: > >I'm new to the list and relatively new to printmaking. I've worked with oil > >based inks but would like to use something more enviornmentally & health > >safe. I've been seeing references to water based colors/inks/pigments mixed > >with rice paste and would like something more concrete to go on. Could > >someone please give me a good reference /source of how you would mix this > >kind of ink? > >thanks! > >dlarson@lincolnplayhouse.com Not yet mentioned, but very convenient and gives consistent and excellent results: water color. The kind that comes in a tube. Permanence, stable binders, add rice paste to taste, no muss, no fuss, no waste. Easy to get started. Personally, I prefer Windsor & Newton brand. Mike Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon@mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: John and Jan Telfer Date: Fri, 22 Feb 02 00:27:18 -0000 Subject: [Baren 17124] Re: Gobble-de-gook Will someone please explain to me how you translate all those gobble-de-gook symbols into pictures, please? Jan ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:38:09 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17125] website updated Okay y'all, go to http://barenforum.org and check out the Events and Activities page for a look at the Irvington Library Gallery. Any events and activities going on out there involving barenforum members can be featured there! This should be a very active and exciting "scrapbook" of what we do. All you gots to do is send me (privately) digi pics and info and I will do the rest. Thanks all for contributing and enjoy the show(s), Maria PS Later today, Dan Dew's first print in Show and Tell, I will make an announcement <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Cynthia R Wilson Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:36:37 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17126] Firemen's Prints John: Sorry that things got so messed up, but at least they got there. But I thought that you wanted to sell all the prints and that it wasn't an exchange. Cyndy On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:40:03 EST FurryPressII@aol.com writes: > I received a print in the mail after I sent out the prints for the > different > shows I will include it in the portfolios I am sending out to all of > the participants... I will > start sending out the prints this week. If you can show or sell > them for the > benefit of firemen that would be wonderful if you want to keep them > please > send in a donation to the fireman benefit I will leave the amount of > the > donation up to you. I am not in a position to judge what others can > afford to > give. > > cyndy i got your prints today ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:50:42 -0600 Subject: [Baren 17127] Re: harassment 02/21/2002 10:50:47 AM My apologies to anyone who had problems with receiving Carol's pics and or text-converted gook. I had asked Carol to send me the pics off list for inclusion on the BarenSuji newsletter. Perhaps the first wall1 email was sent to the barenlist by mistake and then the follow up encouragement by Frank, John and others induced Carol to send more. Perhaps Carol wanted to share the wonderful images with everyone since there's been so much on the list about them recently. I was time traveling last night so I was no where near my computer to alert Carol of the possible problem. But on a more serious note...different email programs handle pics/attachments different ways, I, like others got the pics okay, not as an attachment but as an image included right with the email text....others might have gotten an attachment or just plain junk...or nothing. That is why the baren list guidelines do not allow for this transfer of images....lack of standards among the different pc's and users. On similar grounds..to answer another complain...the digests continue to have lot of junk in them because many of us are using html, or "reply with history" or lot of other things to create garbage text. Since we are not editing, censoring, or in any way touching the digest text....you get what you put in........in computer terms....garbage in...garbage out! I know for the short time I was subscribed to it....I could not handle reading thru the digests...it was too unreadable...another option for those having problems is to look at the Baren archives. Gayle Wohlken is doing a wonderful job with that part of the list and you won't find the text-gook in there. Please adhere to the guidelines listed on the website ....cut & paste only what is needed to make your statements make sense....and turn your options to "reply" only.... and if you had too much....'delete', 'delete'...... "cape diem, tempus fugit" thanks....Julius Ceasar ------------------------------ From: Bobbi Chukran Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:58:26 -0500 Subject: [Baren 17128] Re: harassment I personally don't like attachments, because if the files are large, they cause my computer to "time out" and sometimes crash. I sure don't mind seeing other people's work, but would rather go to a website to see them. On a related subject, IS there a digest version of Baren? Cause I'd sure like to sign up for it for a while if there is....I looked and looked yesterday, and couldn't find any information on how to switch.... Thanks! Bobbi C. ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:13:27 -0500 Subject: [Baren 17129] Looking for a friend On an unrelated note, does anyone know what happened to Aayre Sayre? We haven't seen a post in ages and knowing where he lives (Isreal), I was just curious. Did he opt out? dan dew ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:53:53 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17130] Re: harassment Dear Jean, John is right - it is no big deal. It was a mistake on Carol's part, and some people could receive the pictures on their computer as part of single messages. The pictures will be posted on a web page inside baren forum for everyone to see. A cautionary note here. I admit to being naughty on this myself, but let's leave the time, palindromes, etc. to some other list (or time) and stick (with gum arabic, maybe) to the subject/s for which this list was formed: Woodblock print-making. And yes, we can discuss linoleum, wood engraving, pigments, colors, wood, paper, exchanges, etc. Let's just leave out the wild cards. And most important, please be kind to each other, and patient with each other. This is a wonderful group and we discuss wonderful things - let's keep on doing that. Sincerely, Wanda Baren Forum Moderator FurryPressII@aol.com wrote: > > jean take a chill if your computer does not read something just delete it > no big deal. I am glad to have seen the photos of the prints. The posts > about the year, dates etc have nothing to do with the group and i have no > interst in them so all i did was delete them. > > john center ------------------------------ From: Brian Lockyear Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:55:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 17131] Re: Of Pastes and Binders ArtfulCarol@aol.com writes: > Are there any disadvantages to Gouache other than it is opaque? > It's easy to use. I like it. > Carol. This is a disadvantage?? [:-)] Guess it depends on what you are trying to cover up (or not!). - Brian - ------------------------------ From: "Bill H Ritchie Jr" Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:13:06 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17132] Using Dremel? I'm going to miss using knives only on my woodcut. But as I am doing my part for #13, I'm thinking of getting a Dremel tool. The state my blocks are in now have neat grooves I cut in them the traditional way with my Japanese knives. It's laborious, but effective. On the other hand, it's slow and June will be here soon! There's a lot of "white space" to clear out. When Barry Moser was here for his wood engraving workshop video I made, he included a Dremel tool with a flexible shaft. I've thought about getting one, but now I see they have two cordless models. Wouldn't this be better? I picture myself carving a block on the aft-deck of my yacht (in my dreams!) or on a park table (more likely). Then I wouldn't have to be where there's a currant bush to plug it into. (that's a joke my father liked) Seriously, I'm wondering if anybody knows if the cheaper Dremel, at 5,000 rpm, is okay, or if the 25,000 rpm cutting speed would be better for sharp edges. Or any other advice. Also, on clearing out large spaces. And if no one knows the answers, maybe I'll create a mini-course (on DVD, naturally). Bill H. Ritchie, Jr 500 Aloha #105 Seattle WA 98109 (206) 285-0658 mailto:ritchie@seanet.com Web sites: Professional: www.seanet.com/~ritchie Virtual Gallery and E-Store: www.myartpatron.com First Game Portal: www.artsport.com ------------------------------ From: barebonesart Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:00:34 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17133] Re: Baren Digest V18 #1733 In response to the safety issue and powder pigments. Please wear a dust mask when grinding pigments and mixing dry color into any vehicle. Not all colors are toxic, but many are - so to be safe, wear a mask! Many of us did not know this when we were younger, and now we pay the consequences - Sharri ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:08:47 -0600 Subject: [Baren 17134] Re: looking for ....... 02/21/2002 03:08:52 PM Bobbi.....here is the barenforum link that will allow you to unsubscribe from the regular mail and signup to the digest version: http://barenforum.org/subscribing.html DeAnna....beyond what April, Graham, Sarah and others have suggested... make sure to check out the barenforum website links (below)....tons of stuff down at the bottom...how-to everything.. even online books on hanga....after you get an overview...you can go into the One-Point lessons for more details on specific tasks....enjoy! http://barenforum.org/index.html thanks.......Julio ------------------------------ From: Charles Morgan Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:34:40 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17135] Re: Baren Digest V18 #1733 Mike, For us rank beginners, could you say just a bit more about how you use the tubed water colors. Do you mix them with a bit of water first and then brush them onto the block? Or do you use them undiluted (expensive that way)? Just what do you do??? THANKS for your advice. Cheers ....... Charles At 10:19 AM 2/21/02 -0600, you wrote: >At 10:01 PM 2/21/2002 +0900, you wrote: >> >I'm new to the list and relatively new to printmaking. I've worked with oil >> >based inks but would like to use something more enviornmentally & health >> >safe. I've been seeing references to water based colors/inks/pigments mixed >> >with rice paste and would like something more concrete to go on. Could >> >someone please give me a good reference /source of how you would mix this >> >kind of ink? >> >thanks! >> >dlarson@lincolnplayhouse.com > >Not yet mentioned, but very convenient and gives consistent and excellent >results: water color. The kind that comes in a tube. Permanence, stable >binders, add rice paste to taste, no muss, no fuss, no waste. Easy to get >started. Personally, I prefer Windsor & Newton brand. > >Mike >Mike Lyon >mailto:mikelyon@mlyon.com >http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: "Jean Eger Womack" Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:15:18 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17136] Sorry I am sorry if I offended anyone, especially Carol, by suggesting that Carol was harassing the list by sending pictures in code that not everyone could read. Quite a few people get the listserve by individual email and are able to view the pictures. I apologize to you Carol. I know you are a wonderful printmaker and that you are energetically promoting the prints of many of us, even though it's an unofficial Baren exhibition. I am sure you would not be sending code purposefully to annoy us. Perhaps this is just one of those computer "glitches" that we have to live with. We can't let computer glitches separate us from our friends, just because I don't know how to decode pictures in ASKI code.. I have done my share of failing to erase the whole list I replied to and only keeping the message I am replying to, thus making people search for the real news and causing many baren messages to be sent out instead of one succinct one that is easy to read and keep up with. This gives stay-at-homes advantage over us working stiffs, but more power to them, I say! Cut! Print! Jean Eger Womack e-mail: jeaneger@jeaneger.com http://www.jeaneger.com ------------------------------ From: "Jean Eger Womack" Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:36:44 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17137] Re: Hanga-bake brushes need repair I have a question for Dave, I guess. I have two hanga-bake brushes that are falling apart. Would either of your daughters be willing or able to repair them for a fee? I could wait until summer, no problem, when they are out of school. The leather and the stiching has rotted but the brush is still pretty much togerther. Long live non-toxic printmaking! Jean Eger-Womack ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:28:43 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17138] show and tell One very interesting area of the Barenforum.org website is the Show and Tell. Here you can post your latest woodblock adventure and share with us what's going on. Just now I checked it out and realized I haven't been there for a while (you can see a whole new aspect of David). In keeping with our current conversation on first time exchangers and smudges and such things, Dan Dew has kindly offered to share his first print with everyone, a neat print and a neater experience. Go have a look: http://www.barenforum.org/messageboard/guestbook.html Enjoy! Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V18 #1734 *****************************