Baren Digest              Sunday, 2 December 2001      Volume 17 : Number 1637


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From: "Rudolf Stalder" <stalderp@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:22:37 -0800
Subject: [Baren 16304] Larrge Print Exchange 

Large print exchange

Hi everybody, the information-board ( http://www.rst-art.com/lpe.htm ) has
been up-dated.

Given are the numbers of prints everybody is supposed to send in.

Also up-dated are "mailing" and "packaging" and the site made easier to
read.


Thanks for the many contributions to put the information together.

For remaining questions please contact.

best regards

Rudolf


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From: Bobbi Chukran <bobbi.chukran@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:52:48 -0500
Subject: [Baren 16305] Re: Larrge Print Exchange 

Hi guys,

Just got an attachment from a Philip Smith, with Baren in the heading.  Are
you here, Philip?  Tried to e-mail you back, but it bounced.

The file was a "pif" file, which I can't open.  I've never heard of a pif
file...is that a PC thing?  I have a Mac.....

I usually don't open attachments unless I know they're coming.....even
though Macs don't usually catch viruses, I'm sure there's always a first
time.

Bobbi C.



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From: Bobbi Chukran <bobbi.chukran@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:53:29 -0500
Subject: [Baren 16306] Oops! 

Oops, sorry, forgot to change the subject on my last message.

BC


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From: John and Jan Telfer <jtelfer@iinet.net.au>
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 01 00:35:46 -0000
Subject: [Baren 16307] Re: Somerset Studio 

Thank you all for your very kind Congratulatory messages. 
If you are interested I am sure Kim would be able to tell you where you 
can see Somerset Studio in the US.

Thank you,
Jan

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From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 09:21:31 -0800
Subject: [Baren 16308] Re: Fw:  A VIRUS TRAP FOR MAIL 

Hi Carolyn,

Please don't send any posts about viruses to the list. And please don't cc or
blind copy your messages as it just sends the server in Japan into a frenzy & it
starts bouncing messages like crazy.

These virus things just go round & round & most of the time they are mostly talk!
If you do seem to have some kind of virus - just e-mail someone personally & they
can tell you where to go to solve the problem.

Thanks,
Wanda
Baren forum moderator

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From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 09:31:04 -0800
Subject: [Baren 16309] Re: Oops! 

Hi Bobbi,

I think that Philip just hit the *send* button too soon & sent a blank message.
You don't need to be concerned about getting a virus from the Baren mailing list
- - as the viruses are filtered out by the big server (asahi-net) in Japan. 

By the way, I went to your web site to see your block prints & there weren't any
up yet. Please let us all know when you add them to your site. Also, I am a
long-time ready of "Threads" magazine. Which issue/s do you have articles in?

Wanda
Baren forum moderator

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From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 09:39:33 -0800
Subject: [Baren 16310] Oh for Pete's sake! 

Sorry everyone & especially Carolyn - that was meant to go to Carolyn personally.
I think I got up too early this morning! (before noon)

Hope you are all having a wonderful day today, other than this!

Wanda

Baren forum moderator

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From: "Philip Smith" <SmithArt@Pacifier.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:55:40 -0800
Subject: [Baren 16311] Re: Larrge Print Exchange 

Bobbi,and all other Baren members.
I have not been sending messages with attachments to anyone. Bobbi is the
sixth member this has happened to.
I do apologize.
Philip

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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:57:12 EST
Subject: [Baren 16312] Re: Baren Digest V17 #1636 

 

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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:59:57 EST
Subject: [Baren 16313] Re: Baren Digest V17 #1636 

I joied the list at the persuasion of aother.  I too said I have only done 
lino and was told that was fine.  I am swlower than many at learning the 
wood.  But I understood for an exchange we could do a lino print?
Yes I am taking Grahams workshop in June and than I will know if wood will 
really take for me.
Seems many of us have taken the plunge, but should I leave if i do not become 
primarily a wood person?
Oh my #12 print is a lino, I thought it was acceptable.???
Marilynn

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From: Bobbi Chukran <bobbi.chukran@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:12:24 -0500
Subject: [Baren 16314] Re: Larrge Print Exchange 


>Bobbi,and all other Baren members.
>I have not been sending messages with attachments to anyone. Bobbi is the
>sixth member this has happened to.
>I do apologize.


That's OK, it's just a little odd.  Are you sure it's not a virus?  It was
definitely an attachment...

The other strange thing was that it came from your address, except there
was an underline in front of it...like this....

_SmithArt@Pacifier.com


Bobbi C.


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From: "April Vollmer" <april@aprilvollmer.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:06:22 -0500
Subject: [Baren 16315] Un-covered! 

Thank you Dave, Dave and Graham for suggestions about keeping covered! No
more naked shins for me! I have printed out relevant information from the
Baren Encyclopedia
http://woodblock.com/encyclopedia/entries/011_07/chap_3b.html and from
Graham's site http://members.home.net/woodblocks/tie-baren to guide me.

Sarah Hauser has generously offered me a third hand, so I think perhaps
Graham is right (this time anyway  [;-)] and it is time to jump off the deep
end! I'll let you know how it goes in a week or two when I find time. I was
printing a reduction cut, and used my ball bearing baren because the hon
baren was in tatters. What I found was that the metal balls compressed the
fibers of the paper so much that by the fifth printing the paper (double
weight kizuki hosho) was pretty inabsorbent.

The Lower East Side Printshop (www.printshop.org) is having it's open studio
next Saturday, Dec. 8 if anyone is in the NY area. They are offering $20 and
$50 prints for the holiday season, plus a selection by affiliated artists.
(including me!)

April
www.aprilvollmer.com



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From: Graham <gscholes@shaw.ca>
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:26:16 -0800
Subject: [Baren 16316] Re: Un-covered! 

April wrote.....

>What I found was that the metal balls compressed the
>fibers of the paper so much that by the fifth printing the paper (double
>weight kizuki hosho) was pretty inabsorbent.


It surprises me that you would press so hard with the ball-bearing baren as to compress 
the paper, especially kizuki hosho.

Is it possible, as it was the fifth printing, that the paper has become saturated?

This can happen and the colour does not go onto the paper as normal with unsaturated paper.
Dry your paper and I'll bet you, (your choice) that it will act quite normally when you dampen 
it again for further printings.

Let us know.

Graham

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From: FurryPressII@aol.com
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:22:51 EST
Subject: [Baren 16317] Re: Larrge Print Exchange 

Rudolf
I tryed the site mentioned in your post and it does not open.  I was able to 
go to your site but the one to the large print would not open.   Could you 
send me the info that is posted there

john of the furry pressII
John Center

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From: "Arye Saar" <saar1@degania-b.org.il>
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 06:20:37 +0200
Subject: [Baren 16318] Re: Oops! 

Wanda - sorry, but it was a virus:
w32.Badtrans.B@mm
my computer was saved by Norton AV 5.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


> Hi Bobbi,
>
> I think that Philip just hit the *send* button too soon & sent a blank message.
> You don't need to be concerned about getting a virus from the Baren mailing list
> - as the viruses are filtered out by the big server (asahi-net) in Japan.
>
> By the way, I went to your web site to see your block prints & there weren't any
> up yet. Please let us all know when you add them to your site. Also, I am a
> long-time ready of "Threads" magazine. Which issue/s do you have articles in?
>
> Wanda
> Baren forum moderator
>



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From: "Bea Gold" <bnj50@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:00:22 -0800
Subject: [Baren 16319] Re: Chinese woodblock prints 

away for couple of days and more messages than in month - last month. Bea
Gold

- -----Original Message-----
From: FOO KWEE HORNG <khfoo@moe.edu.sg>
To: baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp <baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp>
Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 3:46 AM
Subject: [Baren 16273] Chinese woodblock prints


>
>Dear Bill,
>It was interesting reading your comments on the 'ten
>bamboo studio'. There is a printmaking society in Singapore but
>very few of the members actually produce woodcuts (perhaps only
>myself!?). Some secondary schools are doing prints but again not
>so much woodcuts but more linocuts. I am hoping to promote it and
>has since introduced them to my students. On a personal level, I
>am currently doing a MA research in the development of woodcuts
>in pre-war Singapore and will be helping the National University
>of Singapore with an exhibtion of post-war woodcut prints (1950s)
>in April next year. They are mainly social commentary prints like
>those of 1930s-1940s China. I'll try to put some of the images
>on-line so that dear Baren members might be able to see some old
>Singapore prints. Anyone visiting Singapore during that time
>might want to come view the exhibition. Do contact
>me.
>
>
>



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From: "John and Michelle Morrell" <jmmorrell@gci.net>
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:03:18 -0900
Subject: [Baren 16320] Exchange media and rules 

I checked back on the baren forum exchange page but didn't see it--could
have sworn lino cut was an acceptable exchange medium.  I vaguely remember
reading that woodblock, wood engraving, and linco cut were okay, but that
certainly is not what it says for either exchange #11 or 12 now--just
woodblock (not specified as to plank wood, plywood or endgrain).

It was my understanding that the exchange rules were to take effect with
exchange #11.  At November 1 (the due date), we had slightly over half the
prints in hand.   Unfortunately, a month later we still do not have all the
prints in nor the portfolios (cases) .  What with the disruption of postal
and air service this fall in the US, there seems no point in getting steamed
about deadlines.  I should bore you all with personal stories of delayed
mail and misery in the airports, but the topic doesn't interest me, either.
:o)

<^><^><^><^><^><^><^><^><^><^><^><^>
Michelle Morrell
            jmmorrell@gci.net
http://www.MichelleMorrell.com
<^><^><^><^><^><^><^><^><^><^><^><^>


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From: "Jean Eger Womack" <jeaneger@jeaneger.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:05:41 -0800
Subject: [Baren 16321] Chinese Prints 

Hello old friends,
1. I did a demonstration of hanga at Cabrillo College near Santa Cruz,
California, recently.  It is a beautiful little community college.  The
teacher, Karen Tossavainen, was encouraging her weekend workshop students,
including some senior citizens, to try this non-toxic printmaking method.  I
was very impressed by the class, and Karen's hospitality.

2. This web site has Chinese New Years prints.  It's a beautiful display:
http://www.seu.edu.cn/art/english/enga1.htm

3. I'll be showing, and hopefully selling my art work this weekend and next
weekend with the neighborhood art group, called the Point Richmond Art
Guild, at 117 West Richmond Avenue, Richmond, California, USA, from 11-5 Sat
& Sun.  I'll be doing a little demo of printing clay prints, as I work on
the New Year's prints for next year.

4. I've been having trouble with viruses lately--more in the last few weeks
than in the whole ten years I've been on the computer.  No clue as to why,
etc.

5. Graham, I have looked high and low for your Certificate of Authenticity,
that you had online.  Where is it, if it is still up there?  I'm going to
try putting it on the back of my prints, maybe it will help sales.  I loved
your directions for practicing tying the baren.  It's hard to believe that
April can't do it herself.  If you saw her printing, you'd think she could
do anything.  I have pretty much given up on methylcellulose and I'm going
back to using rice paste.

Now, on to the horses and the big prints.

Jean
www.jeaneger.com




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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon@mlyon.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 01:15:52 -0600
Subject: [Baren 16322] Tool Lube 

Just to follow up the 'tool lube' Q&A, the article I mentioned before 
appears in the "Fine Woodworking" #153, Winter 2001/2002 on page 32, 
columns 1 and 2.  Soap wasn't tested.  The article doesn't give a very 
clear comparison between materials, so I compared the depth the screws went 
into the wood using the several tested lubes to the depth the screws went 
in 'dry' to obtain the following:

Dry             0% (no lube -- the cutting effort the others are compared to)
Paraffin        22% (cuts with 3/4 the effort)
Beeswax 57% (cuts with  2/3 the effort)
Lube Wax        98% (cuts with 1/2 the effort -- available from Grizzly 
Industrieal 800-523-4777)
Akempucky       107% (cuts with less than 1/2 the effort -- available from 
McFeeley's 800-443-7937)

So, the material which makes it easiest (to drive screws into wood, at 
least) is Akempucky!  Paraffin only helps a little, beeswax is more than 
twice as good as paraffin, Lube Wax and Akempucky are twice as good as 
Beeswax and 5 times better than Paraffin.

- -- Mike


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From: Graham <gscholes@shaw.ca>
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 23:49:50 -0800
Subject: [Baren 16323] Re: Tool Lube 

Mike wrote.....


>Akempucky


If that isn't a 50 dollar word I don't know what is.
Sounds like something right out of Harry Potter.

(<;

Graham


After thought.
How did screws get into this when it is a knife we use. ???

Maybe the secret it screw it instead of carve it....
Sorry but it was a natural progression in the conversation.

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From: Graham <gscholes@shaw.ca>
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 00:01:59 -0800
Subject: [Baren 16324] Certificate. <200112020607.PAA43478@ml.asahi-net.or.jp> 

Jean wrote.....


>5. Graham, I have looked high and low for your Certificate of Authenticity,
>that you had online.  Where is it, if it is still up there?  I'm going to
>try putting it on the back of my prints, maybe it will help sales.


Go to http://members.home.net/gscholes/certif.html
I do not have it linked on my site any more. 
I don't want to bust your balloon but a certificate will not encourage or generate sales.
It is only after a sale is made that I show it to people.  It is more a reminder of some of the specs on the print.


>I have pretty much given up on methylcellulose and I'm going
>back to using rice paste.


I have never used Methyl Cellulose as a binder.  What does it do that you don't like.
If you can't get rice paste then an alternative is Corn Starch.  

Graham

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