Baren Digest Wednesday, 28 November 2001 Volume 17 : Number 1632 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kim Medina Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:13:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 16243] Re: soaking blocks in kerosene Philip, I'm totally against soaking woodblocks in kerosene to make them easier to cut. The flash point in kerosene is very low and would be a fire hazard if you soaked your block in it, then brought it indoors. A better alternative would be push-ups. [;)] Kim Medina Tucson, Arizona ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:29:43 -0800 Subject: [Baren 16244] Re: Kerosene to carve easier. If you are having difficulty carving and want your knive/chisels to cut more easily it can help by having a small piece of wax (the canning type which comes in 2 x 4 inch size - 6 to a package) beside your bench. A quick stab into the wax every 3 or four cuts and your tool to slip beautifully through the wood or linoleum. I do this when using a very hard wood.... like Yew. Now that is hard. Certainly most useful when cutting maple or Birch. CREATE Cut Print. Graham/Sidney BC An Island in the Pacific Home of the Boot Camp ------------------------------ From: barebonesart Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:34:13 -0800 Subject: [Baren 16245] Re: engraving vs cutting Another not-of-the-sage variety checking in on the woodblock/woodcut/wood engraving controversy. It is all in the tools. An engraving uses engraving tools, a woodblock uses woodblock tools, and they all are woodcuts. You will often see the distinction made between wood engravings and metal engravings. The characteristics of an engraving are much finer lines and gradations, and of course, they use the end cut of the wood. Usually they are small, because they are so labor intensive, but there are always masochists in the crowd who do huge ones - like those messotint masochists one runs into from time to time. Sorry to correct my friend Graham, but several of our Northwest Print Council artists do some very beautiful color wood engravings! Well, its all admirable and so much more preferable to making war. If everyone would only make art . . . and to answer John's question: yes, I would think either would be acceptable, they are both using wood and are both relief, so why not?? Print on! Sharri ------------------------------ From: FOO KWEE HORNG Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:02:55 +0800 (WST) Subject: [Baren 16246] Re: woodcuts and wood engravings It has been so interesting reading the exchanges regarding this subject. I would like to contribute little of what I know as well. According to most literature, the woodcut or woodblock print was an earlier invention in the West as compared to wood engraving. The earliest image I have seen is 'Le Bois Protat. 1370'. It was discovered in Burgundy, carved in walnut-wood and is a part of a three-piece depiction of the Cruxifixion. In the East, the earliest images were those from 700AD; Buddhist talisman printed in Japan but probably influenced by China. Wood-engraving (very much a relief printing process) was an invention perfected by Thomas Bewick around 1790. To a certain extent, it was created to compliment the development of printing technology (the height of lead types, the type of presses and the demand for illustrations with printed text). Over in Singapore, woodengraving did not really reach us as the tools (burins?) were never available. The history of woodcuts in Singapore is tied to the development of the movement in China back in the 1930s, with Lu Xun's promotion of Kathe Kollwitz's, Frans Masereel's prints there. Before going to much into this, I hope the info was useful and it would be nice if anyone would like to start a dicussion topic on the prints of China. ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V17 #1632 *****************************