Baren Digest Wednesday, 25 July 2001 Volume 16 : Number 1501 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shireen Holman Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:37:01 -0400 Subject: [Baren 15238] pictures on baren-suji Hello, For some reason my Baren-Suji has no pictures to go with it - only broken link icons. Is there something special I need to do to see the pictures? Shireen *********************************************** Shireen Holman, Printmaker and Book Artist email: shireenh@earthlink.net http://www.shireenholman.com *********************************************** From: Daniel Dew Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:15:31 -0400 Subject: [Baren 15239] Re: Sticky Paper Can I or should I let it dry before printing? dan dew > From: "Bea Gold" > Reply-To: baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:01:46 -0700 > To: > Subject: [Baren 15237] Re: Sticky Paper > > Hi Dan, My recipe for sizing, which I got from Jean Eger-Womack , is 3/4t > alum, 1 package gel, 35 oz water - hot water, dissolve gelatin, add alum - > cover both sides of the paper. I use the small flat pads with a handle, > used for painting straight lines on walls, found in the section where paint > rollers are sold. Cheap and very good for this purpose. I like hosho and > it works. Enjoy, Bea Gold > ------------------------------ From: "bemason" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:15:14 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15240] Re: pictures on baren-suji Shireen, I had the same problem, but when I went to the barenforum.org site and brought up the copy of baren suji all the pictures were there. so try that. Barbara > Hello, > For some reason my Baren-Suji has no pictures to go with it - only broken > link icons. Is there something special I need to do to see the pictures? > Shireen > ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:27:23 EDT Subject: [Baren 15241] Re: Baren Digest Water Soluble Ink and Sharpening Big Tools Gayle, rollers dont work with water soluble ink for me either, no matter what I add to ink. I use brushes-all kinds- tooth brushes, shoe brushes, standard hanga brushes (on shina) Good luck Carol ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:11:47 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15242] Re: Sticky Paper Yes, you have to dry it - it seems like the texture of the paper changes but after you moisten it for printing and drying it feels like hosho again. Here is a message sent to the Baren by Mary Krieger when the discussion had to do with sizing - I kept it in a separate file I was so impressed. Bea Sizing End of Baren Digest V5 #324 *************************** This is the promised land for woodblock printmakers. I suggest you try sizing your paper, as was suggested to me when I had the same bleeding problem. An easy size you can use is 1/8 oz alum, 1/4 oz gelatin (1 package unflavored gelatin), 35 oz boiling water, mix until dissolved. Paint size on paper warm, let dry, the recipe is in the Walter Phillips book, Chapter III, online at http://www.sharecom.ca/phillips/technique.html Sincerely, Paper Here's my two cents on the where does the pigment/sizing go questions. I find it helpful to remember that all paper is a web of tiny plant fibers held together both by their physical entanglement and electrostatic attraction (at least that's what I remember the instructor saying). The tiny spaces between the fibres allow paper to flex and compress. Sizing is gluey and coats each individual fibre. It is actually quite difficult to wash out once it is in. It alters the ability of the individual fibres to absorb water. (like fabric softener on your towels). Dry pigment applied to a paper surface adheres like the paper fibres by being caught in the microscopically uneven surface of the paper as well as that static attraction. (like dust and cat hair) Pigment suspended in water will penetrate more deeply into the microscopic structure of the paper. As the fibres soak up the water, the pigment is both caught in the holes between the fibres and stains the fibres themselves. Some of the pigment between the fibres can be rinsed away with sufficient water but the stain can only be bleached away. (like grape koolaid) Sizing will slow down the rate at which water is absorbed by the paper fibres. Watercolor paper is very heavily sized. This allows the painter to control how the pigment is absorbed by the paper primarily by the amount of water in the paint. The fibres are so heavily sized that they absorb the water very slowly and do not much affect how the pigment is absorbed by the paper. If the paper is already damp - that is the fibres themselves are moist but there is little or no water film in between - then I would guess that the pigment would move more slowly but would be absorbed by the paper more evenly. If moisture promotes the absorption of the pigment into the paper - and rice paste and size slow it down, then to get an even and repeatable penetration of the pigment into the paper you have to balance the amount of sizing and moisture in the paper with the amount of rice paste and water suspended pigment on the block. Prints on paper that is correctly sized and dampened will not bleed sideways or transfer color. That's the _amazing_ trick of the Japanese printing technology. Mary Krieger Winnipeg Manitoba ------------------------------ From: "bemason" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:27:22 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15243] Water Soluble Ink and rollers Galye and Carol, I have had greas success with water soluble ink and rollers, I used the Akua Kolor ink and their thickener, or I have left the ink out to dry a bit. I have also had good luck with Graphic Chemical water soluble relief ink and fair luck with Dan Smith water soluble relief ink. I am using a roller that is larger than the plate, so that may make the difference, I am not using a small roller which would probably give you roller marks. So maybe you should try again. The pigment for hanga would be hard to use with a roller, but I haven't tried it. I will and let you know, I always think there is a way to make stuff work, that is why my hair is now all grey..... Barbara Gayle, rollers dont work with water soluble ink for me either, no matter what I add to ink. I use brushes-all kinds- tooth brushes, shoe brushes, standard hanga brushes (on shina) Good luck Carol ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:37:23 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15244] Re: Sticky Paper Would you add this to water-based ink? Isn't that what you are using Dan? With the Hosho (Yamaguchi?) paper and water pigmented mixtures - sticking will occur if the pigment is a little too dry or a little too thick - in the hanga methods that is. If you are talking about the regular Hosho from the American stores, I suspect that the lack of sizing is causing the fuzzy stuff. Good luck! Wanda GraphChem@aol.com wrote: > > Dan - > Add some Sureset Compound or Setswell to your ink to reduce the picking. Any > tack reducer will help, but I like the Sureset as an option. > > Dean Clark > Graphic Chemical & Ink Company ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:48:20 -0400 Subject: [Baren 15245] LA-LA land bound I am heading out to Los Angeles on August 3rd-5th. Anyone out there? dan dew ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:54:56 EDT Subject: [Baren 15246] Re: LA-LA land bound im near los angeles dan georga ------------------------------ From: Legreenart@cs.com Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:57:04 EDT Subject: [Baren 15247] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1500 Hi, I have been gone for 2 months, so I don't know whats been on the forum lately. Coming home from NY, we stopped at The Parthenon (Full scale reproduction and art museum) and saw the Roualt Miseries etching suite exhibition. Ruth Leaf, book is sited or a reference in the literature. Kathleen Baker Pittmen and I met the curators. They are making an effort to educate their public about printmaking through a series of 4 exhibitions... Japenese woodblock coming up. Any hanga printers in the are should get in touch! Yours, Le Green Stonemetal Press Email: legreenart@cs.com http://www.stonemetal-press.com ------------------------------ From: Sunnffunn@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:28:52 EDT Subject: [Baren 15248] Salon des FLORA! Oh Oh I am so intrigued by flora. I do them all the time, I do flowers all the time, it is MY SUBJECT. I have this gorgeous large sized piece of linoleum sitting at my table at the coast. I need to be pushed hard to get to it. I wanted to run a 2 color reduction print from a watercolor I had done. I wanted it to have 2 series one light and delicate the other strong and virile. Could this be for the salon d refuse??? Is it ok if I do a state 1 and a state 2 Oh gads I want to do the over size print too. And this house is a disaster and who know when I will be moving? I need to do art art art,. I did today I did I printed and finished a series sittng and waiting for me to just knock off the last of the paper for it. WOW it is done! Add my name and if I feel squeezed to death by it I will drop out early, like sept 1 or something so I am nto a burden. Marilynn Smith Portland, Oregon and Nahcotta Wa. yes yes I do have a post box in Nahcotta now and a checking account too. ------------------------------ From: slinder@mediaone.net Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:29:42 -0500 Subject: [Baren 15249] Re: Salon des FLORA! Hey, Marilyn! Your name is on a little seed packet, and it's on a garden stake at the end of your row in our garden. Welcome to the Salon des refusŽ - FLORA! We still have rows in our garden ready for prints by plant lovers. If you, too, are tempted by entering more exchanges than your life allows, join us! Some earnest plant printers have joined both Flora exchanges! Cut! Plant! er, Print! Sharen Sunnffunn@aol.com wrote: > Oh gads I want to do the over size print too. And > this house is a disaster and who know when I will be moving? > I need to do art art art. Add my name ------------------------------ From: "Garth Hammond" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:57:50 -0600 Subject: [Baren 15250] Re: Baren Digest Water Soluble Ink and Sharpening Big Tools RE:Gayle, rollers dont work with water soluble ink for me either, no matter what I add to ink. I use brushes-all kinds- tooth brushes, shoe brushes, standard hanga brushes (on shina) Good luck Carol My experience has been that they will work but on the occasion that I have tried a new brand of ink the harder rollers will not roll. I then use a larger softer roller and it works, the quality of course is different. I think the graphic chem w\s mixed less than 50/50 more ink than medium and then rolled like crazy seems to work pretty well. garth ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:06:53 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15251] Re: LA-LA land bound Here we are - will be home on the fifth. Sunday - where will you be? We live in Silverlake. Check your map program - the address is 2206 Micheltorena, LA 90039 - (323) 660-0106 - Let me know what you are doing. Love to meet you. Bea - -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Dew To: baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: [Baren 15245] LA-LA land bound >I am heading out to Los Angeles on August 3rd-5th. >Anyone out there? > >dan dew > ------------------------------ From: FurryPressII@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:58:34 EDT Subject: [Baren 15252] Re: Help! On the use of materials. When I was out in Seattle I went on a tour of Daniel Smiths and got to talk to there chemists, One of the things of interest was the different qualities of artist materials out there. And who they were marketing too. Artist materials are broken down into a number of grades for grade school use, collage use and professional use. For various reasons each is made at different price points and different requirements such as at the grade school level a number of things are more important such as price, ease of clean up and non-toxitity. At the college level price might still be important but being able to get the full range of color and printing ability are becoming more important. At the professional level price becomes the least important issue. Is the color light fast? Is the tact right? Can I adjust it to do what I want it to do? All of these become important If I send many hours cutting a block I want it to print exactly what is there I don't want to be limited by what the ink will allow. An example of student grade material would be speed ball ink and brayers and to some extent there lino cutters as well. They are OK for grade school use because of there price and ease of clean up but they are very limited in there range. If you took the same block inked it with speed ball ink and a speed ball brayer printed it and then took the same block and inked it with a graphic chemical ink and brayer and printed it the two prints would look different as night and day. yes Virginia there is a difference between a VW and a Rolls A graphic brayer will roll out an even thin layer of ink something that a speed ball roller will not be able to do. An artist should always use the best quality materials so that it is the artist that is controlling the end result and not the limitations of the materials. John of the furry press ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V16 #1501 *****************************