Baren Digest                Friday, 13 July 2001        Volume 16 : Number 1489


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From: "bemason" <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:28:43 -0700
Subject: [Baren 15151] test 

test

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From:dimitris grammatikopulos<aenaonartst@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:07:45 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Baren 15152] Re: large-print-exchange  

how big??????
...possibly in too,
regards,
Dimitris

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From: Printmaker <severn@acay.com.au>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:21:04 +1000
Subject: [Baren 15153] Exchanges 

I said

"Print Australia would be happy to run a 'sister' exchange
to
Flora, given sufficient demand. We could call it 'Flora Too'
and run it concurrently.  "Salon" is too suggestive of
selection/rejection for me. 

Give me a show of hands offlist and if there's enough
demand, we can do it."

There has been insufficient response to warrant "Flora Too",
sorry. 

And someone mailed me offlist regarding my comment on
'salon', so I thought I would clarify my comment/position.
No offence was meant.

As the name implies 'Salon des Refuse' was coined for
alternate exhibitions of works that had been refused entry
from another more prestigious exhibition. (Long history,
many exceptions, this is a generalisation.) Usually this is
based on some applied standard of excellency that has not
been met. In our case, the rejection is simply for
insufficient room and not for reasons of selection. It is a
personal opinion of mine, that the name implies a 'second
best' standard and I would prefer not to be associated with
it. I would feel that '2nd Edition' would be a more
appropriate term for bareners.

The exhibition to which Duchamp entered the urinal under a
false name, was established by a group of artists (he was a
member) to challange the idea of selection. Not a 'Salon des
Refuse' but a completely open exhibition. He challenged them
in the same manner that examples of snuff films and child
porn are used today to challange the idea of no censorship.
It was a set up of course and served its purpose. Baren has
a similar policy of openess which is fundamental to its mode
of operation, to introduce such an historically loaded term
as the salon is to shoot ourselves in the foot.

My ten cents
Josephine

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From: Cucamongie@aol.com
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:21:24 EDT
Subject: [Baren 15154] technical question 

hi folks, seems that when I post to Baren from my new studio computer, the email message appears twice.  Anybody out there have AOL
as their email thingie and know how to solve this problem?
thanks
Sarah

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From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:51:03 EDT
Subject: [Baren 15155] Re: Exchanges 

2 cents for Salon des Refuse:
 Call it what you will---a rose by any other name...---but Salon des Refuse 
is associated with a particular historic art show with positive connotations. 
There's a bit of knowing humor in using the term.. But then again, I get a 
kick out of such things!

I say this just for the sake of interchange of ideas and no offense!

Carol

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From: "Maria Arango" <maria@mariarango.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:12:02 -0700
Subject: [Baren 15156] RE: Historical Salon 

>Baren has
> a similar policy of openess which is fundamental to its mode
> of operation, to introduce such an historically loaded term
> as the salon is to shoot ourselves in the foot.
>
> My ten cents
> Josephine

I initially suggested the name specifically because time and history have
proven the misnomer.

Salon des Refuses
"An exhibition held in 1863, comprising work which had failed the selection
committee of the official Salon. After a particularly harsh Salon jury
discounted three-fifths of the proposed exhibits, including many by
established artists, Napoleon III (Dan Dew) stepped in with the suggestion
of a second Salon. From the start it was criticized (how times don't
change...) as a show of rejected and therefore second-rate work, and many
academic artists refused to allow their works to take part (you could say
this part with nose up in the air). The exhibition also became notorious for
showing works like Manet's Dejeuner sur l'Herbe (that minor, second rate
work), and attracted huge crowds--10,000 people on the first day alone (may
the gods of printmaking shower my next art festival with such minor crowds).
The artists included Whistler, Fantin-Latour, Jongkind, Pissarro, and
Harpignes (all minor, second rate artists).
The Salon des Refuses is often used as a starting point for dating the birth
of Modernism (a minor, second rate art movement) in France, and certainly
came to represent the first opposition to the monopoly of the Academie in
Paris (a minor achievement)."

I'll see your ten cents and raise you a quarter,
Maria

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Maria Arango
Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
http://www.1000woodcuts.com
maria@mariarango.com
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From: "Garth Hammond" <Garthart@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:45:47 -0600
Subject: [Baren 15157] Re: question

Jeanne N
My security is flipping out whenever I am getting near your site.  How do
you have active X set up.

garth
garthart@earthlink.net


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From: "Gary Luedtke" <gluedtke@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:31:53 -0500
Subject: [Baren 15158] Re: Historical Salon

Maria,

Are you saying Josephine is a Depressionist?  : )

Gary

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From: Aqua4tis@aol.com
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:26:03 EDT
Subject: [Baren 15159] Re: question 

Jeanne, you're writing in code again
georga

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From: "Jean Eger" <jeaneger@LanMinds.Com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:53:06 -0700
Subject: [Baren 15160] Big Prints

Just out of curiosity, Jeanne N. what are all those "o"s that your computer
is putting in your messages?  Or is at our end?
Thanks, Rudolph, for volunteering to coordinate Big Print Exchange.

Jean Eger Womack


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From: "Jeanne Norman Chase" <studiojnc@prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:57:49 -0400
Subject: [Baren 15161] Exhibition hanging

Georga

Atfter 3 years on this computer you would think that I could get it right
but....... still cannot.
Anyway, Gayle was the one who had the exhibition where she hung the
woodblock prints. You could e mail her and she would tell you the details.

Jeanne N.


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