Baren Digest               Thursday, 7 June 2001       Volume 15 : Number 1448


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From: Daniel Dew <ddew@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:23:20 -0400
Subject: [Baren 14761] A time to vent 

Alright you people, this is my turn to vent on a new subject: "artist
comments"
I love to show off the work of Baren, showing my co-workers and friends our
wonderful website.
When sitting with someone, looking at all the beautiful prints on display in
the Exchange Gallery, it's irritating to have them ask me "what's this one
mean?", then I scroll down to the artist comments, and IT'S BLANK!
So, I get to sit there and say, "Duh, I don't know".
Come on, fork up the info, especially if your print HAS a story or
explanation taht is not readily apparent upon just viewing.
As Dr. Evil of Austin Powers says, "come on folks, I need the info.  Throw
me a friggin' bone here".
Smile, smile, wink, wink, jsu playing but it would be nice.

dan dew


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From: James G Mundie <jimandkatemundie@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:34:09 -0400
Subject: [Baren 14762] exchange theme haikus 

Many ideas
and topics from which to choose a
theme for exchanging.

Why not combine them:
a nude funeral march to
a seaside boneyard?

Beneath the juniper,
Riding Hood holds her lily,
lilts a mournful tune.

The spray of salt air
on naked flesh causes some
mild discomfiture.

An epic scene as
Giant squids frolic nearby,
woodcuts aplenty.

~ James Mundie
http://missioncreep.com/mundie/index.htm

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From: "Tyrus Clutter" <TRClutter@NNU.Edu>
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 09:30:33 -0600
Subject: [Baren 14763] Re: A time to vent 

I did send in comments for my #10 print, but did not when I did the #8 =
print. It was not necessarily clear to me what that area was really for =
until people started e-mailing me about the content of the print (which is =
usually much more difficult to readily understand). We may want to remind =
people at the time of sign up for each exchange. Some of you old pros are =
well aware of how this whole organization works and I'm afraid that the =
vast amounts of newcomers may fumble around for a bit, especially if they =
are (the dreaded) lurkers.
TyRuS

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From: FurryPressII@aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:58:19 EDT
Subject: [Baren 14764] Re: visits... 

john of the furry press would be interested in meeting on june 22 or 23.  esp 
like meeting the artists in the flesh so to speak.    also i would like to 
meet yhou Jilio  when eever possible.

john

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From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:29:07 EDT
Subject: [Baren 14765] Re: Exchange #9 

Hi Bareners,
Exchange #9 is b e a -u -t i -f u l !

Congratulations to everyone participating.
I needed no explanations, but they were helpful and interesting. The Art 
speaks for itself. It's mostly the printers who want to know  the details of 
the method, what paper was used, what ink , etc. As for me, if I have to ask 
what it  is or means, it defeats the purpose.

Carol Lyons   Irvington, NY

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From: Printmaker <severn@acay.com.au>
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 08:10:01 +1000
Subject: [Baren 14766] disclaimer 

Point of clarification

At no time did I suggest to Greg that he should not choose
to use the gospels for his project, I merely expressed an
opinion that I personally would prefer a secular text for
such a project, and why. 

Similarly, my comments re missionaries were an expression of
opinion that they do more harm than good and the world would
be better off without them, made using Australian modes of
expression. 

Someone said "Let us all remember, that  every one has a
basic right and freedom to express
their opinions and even act upon their belief system " I was
exercising that right. 

It is extremely offensive to me every time that someone
mentions God and Chritianity in my presence, especially when
they assume that I share their opinions or faith. I do not.

My apologies to the list that this discussion should arise
from my comments. It was not my intention to start a
religious discussion.

Josephine

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From: Aqua4tis@aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:42:18 EDT
Subject: [Baren 14767] Re: A time to vent 

hi dan and everyone
   i hope my print is self explanatory   but in case it isnt    i was 
commenting on the high divorce rate and to me long term marriage  ..... 
commitment ......is an endangered species
thanks
georga


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From: "Bea Gold" <bnj50@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:58:08 -0700
Subject: [Baren 14768] Re: disclaimer charset="iso-8859-1" 

Josephine - it was not your disagreement about religion that caused the
reaction - it was your unfortunate choice of expressing your disapproval.
You probably would have been a "a prime candidate for a witch burning"  but
as you are now the burner "or more to the point I'd barbeque amissionary
anyday, given the opportunity."  your effort can be interpreted as working
the Holocaust ovens. It doesn't matter who or why persecution is done, it is
still persecution and here still in the name of religion.  That is what
people are reacting to.  Bea

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From: Jack Reisland <reislandj001@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 15:51:30 -1000
Subject: [Baren 14769] Re: disclaimer 

I agree with Bea that this is not an issue of religion, but of
appropriate expression. When you consider posting your opinion "using
Australian modes of expression", it might be a good idea to remember
that you are addressing an audience composed of people from all around
the world, on every continent, and from widely varying backgrounds. Some
of these people have led fairly sheltered lives, but some other Baren
members have seen first hand the violent results of expressions like
yours carried to their extreme ends. It is not safe to assume that
everyone reading your colorful comments understand your "Australian mode
of expression".
     But now I am even more confused. By invoking the statement: "Let us
all remember, that  every one has a basic right and freedom to express
their opinions and even act upon their belief system ", are you saying
that you have not only the right to express your opinion in any fashion,
but also the right to act upon your desire to burn people who hold
philosophies with whom you disagree?

Jack



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From: "Maria Arango" <maria@mariarango.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:53:00 -0700
Subject: [Baren 14770] apologies 

Alas!
I am entirely and solely at fault for encouraging the conversation in Baren
about this project. I am now standing outside my house, knees on the hot
concrete, begging for forgiveness and most of all, for:
please-forget-it-and-move-on-ness. I shall be flogged at sunrise, take my
word for it.
Any and all conversations and lashings concerning missionaries and
inquisitions should be off list and fully directed at my private mail box,
the raised-catholic Spaniard in the bunch who started it all (yes, catch the
dual meaning in that carefully worded phrase).

Thank you for your cooperation,
Maria, Mea Toda Culpa

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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 00:14:07 EDT
Subject: [Baren 14771] Re: Missionaries 

PLEASE MAKE THE SUBJECT ART  i thought the gospes idea was based on an 
artistic ideal not on religion.  please please take your beleifs else where.

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From: Pgiclas@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 00:29:35 EDT
Subject: [Baren 14772] Re: Exch #11 

I vote for mysterious nude marine flora.  Seriously, how about our invisible 
neighbors such as microscopic critters??

Patsy

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From: "Jean Eger" <jeaneger@LanMinds.Com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:21:21 -0700
Subject: [Baren 14773] New exchange charset="iso-8859-1" 

Now Baren is telling me what to print a picture of, how big the paper should
be, the orientation of the paper, and the medium to use.  Why not just send
me the picture and I will reproduce it in woodcut--that will eliminate all
decision making on my part and everyone will be happy and feel safe knowing
what is expected.  The portfolio will be uniform and can be hung almost
anywhere they don't know much about art.

Jean Eger Womack
http://www.jeaneger.com


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From: "Dolores Morrison" <pral1023@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:55:25 
Subject: [Baren 14774] Re: visits... 

Dolores would like to meet with any of the local bareners on June 22 or June 
23.  Let me know where and when.  I must have missed the snakes!  I'm 
disappointed....Where were they "hanging".  See you, Dolores


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From: Julianne <jkershaw@squirrel.com.au>
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 23:53:19 +1000
Subject: [Baren 14775] intro 

Hi, my name is Julianne

I've been lurking/straggling for some time now. I'd of been vocal
earlier, though this essay of introduction has delayed me somewhat.
I guess if I had something interesting to say it would make it
easier.

Here goes anyway.

I started out painting, bought a second hand etching press - that
got me hooked on the multiple image thing. Got a roll of lino at 
the same time as the press & have cut a few images in that. Got 
interested in woodcut & engraving after receiving a supply catalogue 
from MES & lurking about Baren, cutting my teeth on your projects. 
I cut the snake project along with you all, and have my endangered 
species image ready to cut - trouble is I can't work up the 
courage to print them - Guess I have relief printers block. (though 
3 small children and a part-time uni course could have something to 
do with it). All up I have 3 woodcuts on Japanese maple waiting to be
printed. It's semester break soon - I have etching ink, but I'd rather 
use an ink more suitable to relief printing for my first attempt.

Can anyone tell me. Would it be best to invest in relief ink or 
lithographic ink - and why. I'm thinking of going with 
Graphic Chemicals, and I'd rather be an oily one I think - is that 
a good choice? Does anyone know if all the colours have 
*** / **** ratings? I tend to avoid fugative colours if I can. I'd 
be grateful for any infomation. 

To Gregory Robison - yes - interest from me.

Myth/fantasy/fairytales/nursery rhymes gets my vote.

I'm sorry I can't find the particular e-mail, though a week or so ago, 
someone was asking for printing projects for school kids. I've not 
tried it, but I read somewhere the idea of scratching your drawing 
into a slab of plaster of paris and then rolling that up with ink & 
printing it. I imagine it would print better using oil based inks, as
it might suck out some of the moisture in water based inks, and 
possibly disintergrate somewhat?

Finally I'd just like to defend myself as an Australian, born and 
raised. In reference to Josaphine's comment:-

'Similarly, my comments re missionaries were an expression of
opinion that they do more harm than good and the world would
be better off without them, made using Australian modes of
expression.'

'Australian modes of expression'  huh?  I don't speak in that 'mode' 
- - I wish for me and the large number of other inocent Australians, to 
be left out of that one.

Hope I haven't said too much on my first date. Sure was comfortable 
in my lurker's chair.

Julianne.

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