Baren Digest Wednesday, 6 June 2001 Volume 15 : Number 1446 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shireen Holman Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:15:32 -0400 Subject: [Baren 14740] Re: Gospels Greg, I am tentatively interested in your collaborative project. There's been a lot of discussion about the use of religious subjects, but I don't see that as a problem. I think there are a lot of passages from the Bible that people use in every day life without even realizing where they're from. Sort of like lines from Shakespeare that have become part of everyday sayings - one day you read a Shakespeare play and say "Oh, that's where that's from!" Christianity over the centuries has become so much a part of Western civilization, that you don't have to be Christian or religious to be firmly routed in that tradition. I myself am neither Christian nor religious. I grew up in India - my family background is partly Hindu and partly Christian. I admire a lot of great art from both traditions. I think one can find truths in any religion, even if you don't adhere to many of the beliefs. Whether I would want to join or not depends on what the timing and schedule end up being. You mentioned that the timetable might be 12 months - did you mean a year from now or a year from the time when there is a final decision on who is working on what passage? Shireen *********************************************** Shireen Holman, Printmaker and Book Artist email: shireenh@earthlink.net http://www.shireenholman.com *********************************************** ------------------------------ From: GWohlken Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 10:27:55 -0400 Subject: [Baren 14741] Re: Baren Digest V15 #1445 > I too am a MM fan Josehine. It would be fun to include different gospels, > the other hand it could become an opportunity to provide an alternative > perspective on the biblical ones. > :-) Patricia > Speaking of Mary Magdalene, I did an interesting poetry book called Mary Magdalene and Twelve Disciples. I asked men to submit poems as though they were disciples of Mary Magdalene. It was an interesting bunch of poems. When the book was finished, I had a party at my house and invited all the men and gave them each a copy of the book. I guess some people would be offended by the book because of how the men interpreted their role as her disciple, or teller of her story. I wrote a poem, too, as though I were Mary Magdalene. Some tried to save her from ways they believed wrong. Some worshipped her, others romanticized her, one even became her worried mother. But the woodcut part (in keeping with our subject of woodcuts) is I illustrated some of the poems with woodcuts. In those days I had scrap wood and ungainly tools and each woodcut looked different according to the wood used. I had no computer, either, so had to have the book copied at Kinko's on paper I bought specially for the book. It was much easier doing the Vampyr book because by then I had scanner and Mac and laser printer. For the Magdalene book I had half tones made of my woodcuts through Kent State University and pasted these up on the copy that was to be photo copied. The books were okay and even got a decent review in a publication called Ohio Writer. ------------------------------ From: "Patricia" Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 00:43:25 +1000 Subject: [Baren 14742] Re: Baren Digest V15 #1445 charset="iso-8859-1" Maybe a MM pritnexchange could be arranged? I would love to see some of the images you created. :-) Patricia ------------------------------ From: "Dolores Morrison" Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:42:14 Subject: [Baren 14743] Re: greg's project, kama sutra, exhibit list I saw the Skokie exhibit on 6/2/01. Great work. I have only even done monoprints, but am interested in the barenforum and learning woodblock printing. I printed the articles by David Bull from the internet and look forward to trying this technique. I am currently painting Sumi-e with the Midwest chapter of Sumi-e Society of America and so Japanese woodblock printing fits right in. Thanks Julio for putting together this exhibit and to all of the participating artists. I'll be watching the e-mail forum and looking forward to when I can participate. Dolores Morrison pral1023@hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Murilo Pereira" Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:21:45 -0300 Subject: [Baren 14744] Re: Exchanges, Skokie, etc. charset="iso-8859-1" I want to congratulate with the people that are participating of the Skokie show and also with Julio, that put it up (yes?!). I must confess that when I read the list of the participant artists, I became envious of you all, of not being in it, and just for unforgiveable laziness, 'cause I could have been at 9 - Endangereous ,theme which I had made a well succeded research for my English classes . Bem , congratula›es!!!!!!!! congratulations!!!!!!!!! Murilo Pereira, Florian—polis. ------------------------------ From: "Murilo Pereira" Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:45:07 -0300 Subject: [Baren 14745] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Mr._Hor=E1cio_Soares=2C_Skokkie_et_allii?= charset="iso-8859-1" Ol‡, my friend. Voc tem nome de artista - Hor‡cio Soares - soa bem mesmo para um gravador! Pois Ž, rapaz, parabŽns pela participa‹o na Skokie. Eu poderia estar junto mas me acomodei demais, um pouco porque eu n‹o tenho uma prensa em minha casa , eu desenho e pinto muito mais do que gravo. Tenho uma produ‹o bem ampla, mas n‹o sou comercial, nem me programei para s-lo, uma vez que ganhei a vida de outras formas. TambŽm n‹o sei de ninguŽm que tenha uma produ‹o di‡ria de gravura. E a’ no Rio de Janeiro, como Ž essa hist—ria de gravura? AlŽm do Parque Laje, alŽm dos "consagrados" ? E tu como fazes para imprimir tuas gravuras? Imprimes a m‹o? Estou te escrevendo em Portugus usando o Baren para que todos leiam e .. . me ocorreu agora, com essa nova lista do gospel, voc que manja de computa‹o, porque n‹o abre um Baren brasileiro? Grande abrao, Murilo Pereira, Florian—polis. mpereira@newsite.com.br ------------------------------ From: "Walters, Stephanie J. (Nevada Color)" Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:13:39 -0500 Subject: [Baren 14746] RE: Exch #11 charset="iso-8859-1" If you all decide on the nude as your subject matter, I would love to join the exchange. It isn't full is it? ------------------------------ From: b.patera@att.net Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:10:35 +0000 Subject: [Baren 14747] Re: One man show notes Dan, Glad your show went well..... one thing that I learned about shows, is that each one is different. Next time everyone will love your portraits and ignore the landscapes. Barbara P. > Well, my show opened Saturday. Thought I would share a few points, things I > learned: > - What you like may be very different from what the public likes. I truly > love my portraits, so what does everyone at the opening and in the guest > book like? All the landscapes and animal prints, go figure. > - No matter how many people you invite, all the ones you didn't think would > show up do and all the people you wanted to show up don't. > - Someone won't like the types of food or drink you offer. > - By the end of the day, you'll have to clean the glass on almost all your > prints for all the fingerprints all over them. > - People will sign your guest book, but it will be illegible and you can't > read their name or address, if they leave one. > > It was a good opening, lots of friends showed up and a good time was had by > all. Maybe I can send some scanned photos to the Show and Tell ? > > dan dew ------------------------------ From: "Gillyin Gatto" Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 18:45:37 -0700 Subject: [Baren 14748] ex#9 hello bareners i found my exchange # 9 packet in the mailbox today greatly enjoying being with each print lots of ideas / energy / papers / color / blacks!! i n my set- there are two of Mary Kuster's - -MotherEarthTakesHer Revenge so who ever is missing theirs -please email me and i will send it to you gillyin machias maine usa ------------------------------ From: Artsmadis@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:22:36 EDT Subject: [Baren 14749] Re: Exch #11 In a message dated 6/5/01 4:23:47 PM Central Daylight Time, SJWalters@nevadacolor.com writes: << If you all decide on the nude as your subject matter, I would love to join the exchange. It isn't full is it? >> Exchange #11 doesn't open for sign up until July 1st. Information page is http://www.barenforum.org/exchange/index.html Darrell ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 19:18:24 -0500 Subject: [Baren 14750] Re: Baren Digest V15 #1445 Hey, Bea, think you ought to combine the children's stories with the myth/fantasy/fairytales/nursery rhymes into a single category with (3) votes, and add another one from me makes (4) ? Also, Exchange #9 arrived today -- WOW! Lot of very strong prints! Thanks, everyone -- really enjoyed these -- it's a treasure, for sure! Only wish there were more hanga printers among us, though. Mike mikelyon@mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Tariq and Princess Rashid Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 20:19:08 -0400 Subject: [Baren 14751] Re: Gospels > > I'd love to do this project but could not countnenance using > a biblical theme. I have very strong thoughts on the issue > (I'm with you Garth!) of promoting Christianity when I'm not > a believer and am too aware of the attrocities throughout > history that occurred in the name of religion and > Christianity in particular. I'd be a prime candidate for a > witch burning....or more to the point I'd barbeque a > missionary anyday, given the opportunity. I have to say. That is a very SCARY statement. Besides it would not be the first time that a Christian missionary has been murdered. It seems that intolerance as an entity is nondiscriminatory. Let us all remember, that every one has a basic right and freedom to express their opinions and even act upon their belief system as long as they are respectful and sensitive to their fellow living creatures. You know who didn't believe that: Hitler & Nero, just to name two. As far as atrocities committed by the Christian "Church" are concern...please don't blame Christ or the things he taught for the things that MEN did...for political, social and economic reasons. Those things .....the Crusades, Conquistador exploitation of South America and Carribean,slavery ...etc....were totally anti-Christ like. And I go so far as to say that they were done by many men (and women) who could not have possibly BELIEVED in the teachings of Christ, let alone be his followers even though they said the were. They were LIARS and EVERY faith has them. Also, know that the 'institution' of the Church and the the body of believers known as the body of Christ are two totally different things. So we let us all consider what we mean when we even use the term 'christian' either in insult or compliment. I am happy to continue this convo off list with any and everyone. Princess Rashid Jacksonville, FL tprashid@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ From: baren_member@barenforum.org (Fumi Bull) Date: 6 Jun 2001 02:20:26 -0000 Subject: [Baren 14752] Exchange #9 on-line Message posted by: Fumi Bull I am visiting my Dad here in Japan for the summer, and I'm helping him do different kinds of jobs. Last night and this morning, I put up the exchange #9 pages. You can find them by going to the main website, and following the 'Exchange Gallery' link. I thought most of the prints were interesting, and the idea of the theme 'Endangered Species' was good. Fumi ------------------------------ From: Bossbumpy@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:33:52 EDT Subject: [Baren 14753] Re: Missionaries Hello to everyone in Barens. This is my first communication on Barens. I have been a lurker in the closet for a long, long time. But I have enjoyed every minute of it! I have never carved or printed a woodcut, so I have had nothing to contribute. Although recently I have begun pursuing linocuts and have 6 going at various stages. Does anyone remember the advertisement in Barens for an intaglio press a few months ago? I bought that press and had it shipped from California back to the East coast. It was still bolted to the original skid and had hardly been used. It weighs about 1500 pounds and moving it was quite an ordeal. Actually I am responding to a statement that Josephine made regarding missionaries. She said ". . .I'd barbeque a missionary anyday, given the opportunity." Such a statement is a chilling reminder of the Great Holocaust. I was shocked! Many of my family members and friends are missionaries serving on the continents of Africa, Asia, and South America. Some are giving free medical and dental help to those living in third world countries. Others are dealing with AIDS victims, Leper prevention, and a number of other related issues. Literacy teaching, agricultural training, and general education are areas that many of these missionaries address. These folks give of themselves at great personal sacrifice with little or no recognition. In my opinion, such intolerance has no place in Barens. Thanks, Tim Scott bossbumpy@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:39:06 -0700 Subject: [Baren 14754] Exch #11 charset="iso-8859-1" OK - Here is the way I broke the voting down - 38 people responded - 36 voted for one or more idea - I counted how many times a specific idea was mentioned - I eliminated those ideas that only had one or two supporters - Here is the count: Cemetery 3 Print Materials 3 Haiku 3 Nudes 6 Mysteries of the Sea 6 Children's Stories/Fantasy 6 Music 8 Flora 11 Can we combine any of these? Ideas? New people you can add to any category to change the tally. How about we give this until tomorrow evening and then decide. Vertical is the orientation of choice. Have fun. Bea ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 21:05:01 -0700 Subject: [Baren 14755] RE: Exch #11 > Cemetery 3 > Print Materials 3 > Haiku 3 > Nudes 6 > Music 8 > Flora 11 > > Can we combine any of these? Ideas? A naked flower, a cypress swaying sadly to the sound of art HA! I challenge thee all you haiku makers... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: slinder@mediaone.net Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 23:58:29 -0500 Subject: [Baren 14756] Re: Baren Digest V15 #1445 > > Hey, Bea, think you ought to combine the children's stories with the > myth/fantasy/fairytales/nursery rhymes into a single category with (3) > votes, and add another one from me makes (4) ? > My vote and opinion are with Mike! "Once upon a ... myth!" After his snake story, I'd enjoy seeing him work on another! (5) >Only wish there were more hanga printers among us, though. I've wrestled with hanga -- perhaps a workshop or classes would help, but it's way too many things to balance for me! Sharen ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 05:32:48 -0500 Subject: [Baren 14757] Re: visits... 06/06/2001 05:32:44 AM Thanks Dolores for your comments on the Skokie exhibit and welcome to you and Tim to Baren. For those local folks who may have visited during the first week of the show...you were probably wondering (maybe not!) where the heck are those darn snakes that Julio keeps talking about ? Actually, the did not go on display till recently (show opened 5/23) due to problems with the display panels. Unlike last year where I displayed all the dragons on one huge 40X60" frame...this year due to limited space and a larger number of cards... I went for a multi frame approach. The library supplied a free-standing 4X4' panel which was a challenge to accomodate to my plans. After several failed attempts at possible solutions...and many trips to the library.....I felt back on an old design used by Frank Lloyd Wright back in 1908 for a Chicago Art Institute exhibit of Japanese Surimono. The snake prints are up now...each frame happily wiggling about suspended from wire supports that reach to the very top of the "gray" display panel. Too bad I could not find green ribbons or a large bonsai tree! For those near or visiting Chicago...we must try to get a Baren get together...I think the appropriate time could be later in June (22nd, 23rd ? ) when Sarah Hauser comes into town from NY for her solo at WomanMade Gallery....Sharen, Dolores, John, Sarah....anyone else interested ? thanks for all the members for your kind words and for your work....Julio ------------------------------ From: "Garth Hammond" Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 06:21:32 -0600 Subject: [Baren 14758] Re: Exch #11 charset="iso-8859-1" Maria Black "ducks" "rock" "Sepulcheral" winds "bare" "Printed" "paper" "flowers" dance Garth ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V15 #1446 *****************************