Baren Digest Tuesday, 27 February 2001 Volume 14 : Number 1337 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mary Krieger Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:01:08 -0600 Subject: [Baren 13638] Re: Hello Hi Laurie Here's just enough information to get you into trouble. First choice - Japanese or European If Japanese - sumi ink probably okay for the 'pigment'. Need to make rice paste (like wheat paste only with rice flour)or substitute. Need to use paper dampened in a particular way. Need to use brushes to place pigment and paste on block. Need to use baren to print. If European - sumi ink won't work. Need to get printing ink waterbase or oil based. Need to apply with roller. Can use paper dampened or dry. Can use press or hand burnishing with wooden spoon or substitute. Everyone will be happy to help whichever way you want to try first. Lots of people here are familiar with both methods. Welcome aboard. Mary Krieger Winnipeg Canada laurie ramona herboldsheimer wrote: (snip)Now I'm ready to print.I can't seem to access a lot of the encyclopedia and need a little info on printing. I have a tube of concentrated sumi ink, the kind used for brush drawings. It is thick but not pasty. Can this be used , and if so, how can I best apply it? ( I've seen references to both brushes and rollers on the site.) Can my ink be thickened with something that can be easily found? (snip) ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:13:38 EST Subject: [Baren 13639] Paper Eli asked: <> Of course this depends on whether you're using waterbased or oilbased ink, whether you're printing with small or large areas, whether you're printing with a baren or a spoon, etc. How are you making your prints presently? Printing hanga I have experimented with many papers. In most cases I have found that the Japanese paper works the best, though as I mentioned recently for printing huge hanga prints I have found that a stiffer type of paper such as Stonehenge or Rives Heavyweight works well. I have also used these American-type papers for smaller hanga prints, but you have to really press hard or print more than once to get a good print. Let us know more details about how you're printing and in the meantime I would suggest getting samples of a variety of papers and expermenting to see what works best for your printing style. best wishes Sarah ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:09:54 -0800 Subject: [Baren 13640] Mall updates charset="iso-8859-1" Hello everyone! A few updates of note http://barenforum.org/mall/ We have gathered a few FAQ's from sharp users to answer some questions about the whole thing. Additional questions are much welcomed. Also, if you don't want to use the online shopping cart, there is now a Printable Order Form that you can print out and use to record your order, which can then be phoned or mailed in with your payment. Reports so far have been great, you can read those in the Feedback Page. I'm eagerly awaiting my ball-bearing baren so I can print my 24 x 36" new cut. As far as new products you have asked about, the Hosho paper from Yamaguchi-san is now available and we are stocking some of it in the US, so shipping is a breeze. Wood is coming very very soon to your mall. The hang up on these things most of the time is 'us' trying to figure out how we can get these goods shipped from the various vendors without having astronomical shipping charges. Wood weighs a lot, so shipping from Japan is prohibitive in small quantities. Stay tuned, we have a solution! Please pay attention to the shipping instructions for each item, keeping in mind that our vendors are scattered all over the globe. Give special attention if you are ordering stuff from two (or more) vendors. Thanks everyone for making the mall successful! Health to all, Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Lynita Shimizu Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:52:18 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13641] Re: Hello Laurie, If you'd like help getting started doing waterbased, Japanese technique woodblock, I'd love to have you visit my studio. I'm in Pomfret, CT which is probably about one hour, 15 minutes from you. If you're interested, please contact me off-line. And welcome to Baren! Lynita http://homepage.mac.com/mokuhanga/woodblock/index.html ------------------------------ From: Sunnffunn@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:40:42 EST Subject: [Baren 13642] Re: Paper from Plants I have been scouting out the handmade papers from my area. There is a woman at the coast who makes one from a grass that grows there. Often they are preservation quality and made from all natural fibers and wonderful to use. Try stores other than art stores, I found a paper store that sells the most amazing stuff. Marilynn ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:36:06 -0700 Subject: [Baren 13643] Re: Hello Welcome Laurie, We're all glad you took the plunge and introduced yourself. You are in the same position that many of us started in. If you can, go and visit with Lynita - she is an accomplished hanga artist & a hands-on demonstration will put you way ahead of trying to learn hanga by yourself! You *can* use birch - but it isn't easy! I've used birch in several of my prints, and every time I say "never again". The Siberian Birch that one of our member's sells is much better than the birch from the lumber yard. Those blocks will soon be part of the mall offerings. The mall is a very new thing - so there are plans for it to grow into a premier shopping place for woodblock artists! Wanda ------------------------------ From: "eli griggs" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:47:41 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13644] Re: Paper charset="iso-8859-1" H there: I am using oil base on Kitakata, with a ball bearing baren and wood spoon. My prints are currently no larger than 11 x15 inches or 27.94 x 38.1 cm or 0.01388888889 x 0.01893939394 ch (that's 'chains' for those who are really bound by their numbers.) I am moving toward Hanga printmaking this year (including switching over to a 8 strand Hon baren,) so I would like some recommendations on both styles of papers. I like the Japanese style papers and wish to use papers with those characteristics. Eli Griggs Charlotte N.C. USA ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:58:16 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13645] 1st Annual International "Themed" Print Exhibition Well, we are finally here! The "theme" for this year is "Endangered Species". Next year, who knows? The prospectus is up at: http://www.printmakersociety.com/NewsEvents.htm So, all you official Baren exchange #9 and the Salon De Refuse participants, I expect to see your slides rolling in. Well, I hope to see them. For everyone else notin the exchanges, pass this on to as many printmakers as you know and enter yourself! Let's educate the world! dan dew ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:35:09 EST Subject: [Baren 13646] Re: 1st Annual International "Themed" Print Exhibition Dan, What is this about slides for the Endangered Species? Carol ------------------------------ From: barebonesart Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:22:22 -0800 Subject: [Baren 13647] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1336 Sarah, The difference between monotype and monoprint is easy to remember if you think print, as in editionable: therefore, monoprint is a work from a fixed matrix. It has the potential to be editioned, but the artist has chosen to only do one in this manner. So, monotype must be the other one: the one where you have no fixed matrix and couldn't repeat it exactly if your life depended on it. And now a question: what does h/p mean on an edition? This was a new one to me. I have not seen the print, the question came via telephone. Sharri ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:17:37 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13648] Re: 1st Annual International "Themed" Print Exhibition Oooops, maybe I should explain in more detail. The Florida Printmakers Society and Artists Unlimted, Inc. are holding a JURIED exhibition open to all printmakers in the world. It is a "themed" show, the theme is: Endangered Species. This is TOTALLY SEPERATE from Baren. It is only being announced here due to the Exchanges currently going on are about the same theme. Any questions, feel free to contact me off list at either of my e-mail addresses. dan dew ------------------------------ From: "Daniel L. Dew" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:27:22 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13649] Re: Still looking The prospectus is up at the FPS site. You can there from here: http://www.printmakersociety.com/NewsEvents.htm Let me know if you recieve this. dan dew ------------------------------ From: Artsmadis@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:35:40 EST Subject: [Baren 13650] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1336 In a message dated 2/26/01 1:40:21 PM Central Standard Time, barebonesart@home.com writes: << And now a question: what does h/p mean on an edition? This was a new one to me. I have not seen the print, the question came via telephone. >> Must be AP=Artist's Proof, no? Darrell ------------------------------ From: "Daniel L. Dew" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:37:59 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13651] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1330 The prospectus is up at the FPS site. You can there from here: http://www.printmakersociety.com/NewsEvents.htm Let me know if you recieve this. dan dew ------------------------------ From: Catter11@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:21:23 EST Subject: [Baren 13656] Durer Question I stumbled upon a past discussion about Durer prints on this site after hours of searching for some info on a Durer print that I own. I am trying to figure out how to tell if what I have is of some value. I found a picture of the print I have on the internet and found the title (Entombment). My print is the correct size according to the web site. It is framed so that the back of the paper is visible. On the back is writing in what I think is Latin...it is as if it were a page from a book...but I don't know this. It certainly appears very old, several tiny yellow dots and a few 'cracks' in the paper that are visible when held up to the light (this is possible because of the frame having glass on both sides so as to see the writing on the back). Could anyone here help direct me to someone who might know something about Durer prints??? ------------------------------ From: "Garth Hammond" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:54:38 -0700 Subject: [Baren 13657] Re: Durer Question charset="iso-8859-1" RE: I stumbled upon a past discussion about Durer prints on this site after hours of searching for some info on a Durer print that I own. writing on the back). Could anyone here help direct me to someone who might know something about Durer prints??? Get thee to the nearest museum. a Durer print is rare indeed and very valuable. Do not let people who are not trained and professional touch it. Even if you find out that you only have a reproduction you may as well meet some interesting folks with cool skills. Garth ------------------------------ From: "April Vollmer" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:47:45 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13658] Can't Beat It charset="iso-8859-1" The problem with kozo papers is that they are expensive no matter how you slice it. (Beat it?) What I understand from Dieu Donne Papermill, my local mill, is that it isn't worthwhile for them to make washi because they can't do it any cheaper than they can in Japan. It is labor intensive and takes a lot of space. I heard they are trying to make it in Arizona, the Barrett book mentions some experimental plots of kozo, but Japanese papers are probably the way to go. Korean and Thai kozo papers might be worth trying, but probably you would have to size them yourself. best, April www.aprilvollmer.com ------------------------------ From: "Garth Hammond" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:58:51 -0700 Subject: [Baren 13659] Re: Hanga Printing charset="iso-8859-1" RE:HANGA "How to" VIDEO TAPE: I think there is a video tape that Dave Bull did that is circulating the Baren Members. Rumor or Not? I would love to see this! Let us all know how to do this. Coming in a couple of weeks__-----_THE RESULTS OF THE INK TESTS! Talk to you all later. Is anyone or anything happening in San Diego? I am in S.Cal for conference for 10 days starting Friday. Digame amigos Garth ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:53:37 -0700 Subject: [Baren 13660] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1336 Ooooh, I love guessing games! How about h/p: hand printed/pulled? Print makers are creative people aren't they? Wanda ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:54:05 -0700 Subject: [Baren 13661] Re: Durer Question It would be a good idea to give us some information about where you live - I'm sure that someone on here could direct you to a person or place that can give you some information about your print. I know the people at the Portland Art Museum in Portland, Oregon can do this - as I'm sure there are people all over the country who can help. Let us know what you find out, will you? Wanda ------------------------------ From: Lawrence Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:43:28 +1100 Subject: [Baren 13662] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1336 Isn't H/P, Hors Providence, meaning not for sale? H/C is hors commerce which definitely means it is not for sale. usually belongs to the printer I think. Regards Lawrence p.s Great to see a post that's not about buying and selling for a change ;-P ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:45:01 +0000 Subject: [Baren 13663] Re: Can't Beat It April wrote: > I heard they are trying to make it in Arizona, the Barrett book mentions > some experimental plots of kozo, but Japanese papers are probably the way to > go. Out of the vast pile of tangled stuff that makes up my bookmark list, I have managed to excavate a link on this Arizona stuff ... http://www.slis.ua.edu/ba/kozo.html Dave ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest v14 #1337 *****************************