Baren Digest             Thursday, 22 February 2001     Volume 14 : Number 1331


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From: "David Stones" <stones@mb.i-chubu.ne.jp>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:51:14 +0900
Subject: [Baren 13560] Re: Mildew

Dear Jeanne,

Glad the comments from humid Japan are some use... One thing I didn't add
was about the framed work you have mentioned on your walls. I 've a small
gallery space for people to view my prints and, three times a year, we
take the hung prints off the space and clean the glass - INSIDE. We use
regular 2mm glass. The "mold" on the inside was a mystery until we had a
visit from a researcher from the nearby microbiology centre - he was from
India - and gave us the good news and the bad after looking at the
spider-like "growth" on the inside of some of the glass.

His comments went something like this: As with a greenhouse, the air
trapped between the matted print and the glass is effected by temperature,
and it's not a vacuum, so there's just "ordinary" air in there. The bad
news is that this air contains the spores of that certain "mold" and we
locked them in along with the print. Therefore the spidery patterns on the
glass appeared (but nothing happened to the paper or print). We've no
scientific facts but any sealed glass (as with camera lenses,
mentioned today) go the same way here - if not taken care of...

Although this may be different to your area, you might like to think
about that space BETWEEN the glass and the work too - which may be
different to the "outside" of your humid(?) room... This goes for anyone
who has prints on their walls, I guess, and have humidity problems...

The good news? The researcher then went outside to find out what other
things he could find and came back with some samples - his main comment was
that the "mold" and another common "fungus" on the tree bark here ONLY grow
in pure, clean air... so what's a bit of glass cleaning against that
knowledge? I'm in that air most of the day...

Dave S (Ishita)



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From: Jack Reisland <reislandj001@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:11:00 -1000
Subject: [Baren 13561] Re: Mildew (2) 

David,

...and since her prints are framed with plexiglas, the problem is compounded.
The static qualities of the plastic will attract spores like crazy to it's
surface before the frame is assembled. The frame and glass , as you point out,
form a (somewhat) sealed environment, so went the temperature drops at night,
the -relative- humidity inside the frame goes up, since the moisture inside
the frame is a constant. With a high enough humidity, and a wide enough
temperature swing, you can actually get fine condensation on the glass, and a
real mess.

Jack R.


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From: Legreenart@cs.com
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:57:43 EST
Subject: [Baren 13562] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1330 

Send us acoyple of prospectu if you will.
Yours, 
Le Green
Stonemetal Press
1420 S. Alamo
San Antonio, TX 78210
USA
Email: legreenart@cs.com
Website:  www.stonemetalpress.homepage.com

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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:09:15 EST
Subject: [Baren 13563] Re: Sizing??? 


So an unsized paper will soak and spread easier than a sizec paper.  so say 
if I use a paper and it spreads and bleeds a lot sizing it might aleviate 
this?
Marilynn


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From: "Garth Hammond" <Garthart@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:23:16 -0700
Subject: [Baren 13564] Re: Hand coloring

RE:"Thanks for all of the hand-coloring discussion.  I had thought it =
might be a no-no.  One compromise might be to do large areas with color =
blocks, and small things, like eyes, with dabs of paint from a brush."
=20
When we believed that kings were divine, We made that up, When we =
thought the world was flat WE made that up, We are creatures of belief =
and impose our own limits I amaze myself with little rules i invent for =
no reason except to trip myself or hold me back from making =
mistakes.....mistakes are evidence to me after all these years that i am =
doing something. Ditch the rules aske questions and let's make mistakes. =
MISTAKES RULE!



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From: B E Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:17:37 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13565] Mistakes Rule 

Garth, I am going to print this in large letters and hang it in my 
studio. Everything I have ever done in printmkaing that turned out well 
and was exciting started out as an accident or mistake! Mistakes do 
Rule......It is getting control of them that is the tricky part so you 
can repeat them at will.
Barbara

Garth Hammond wrote:

> . Ditch the rules ask questions and let's make mistakes. MISTAKES  RULE!
> 


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From: Aqua4tis@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:10:24 EST
Subject: [Baren 13566] Re: Kampala Show, Tyvec, etc. 

i too would be interested in an exchange with uganda printmakers
georga

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From: "John and Michelle Morrell" <jmmorrell@gci.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:31:34 -0900
Subject: [Baren 13567] Mildew, Yuri's e-mail address charset="iso-8859-1" 

Jeanne Norman Chase wrote:

> You and David really answered a lot of questions and I appreciate the
help.
> And my framed work is usually hanging on the walls as I have customers who
> come by and my main room is my gallery. Yes, it is hot and humid there
too...

Jeanne, you have the hot and moist humor; I have the cold and moist.  My
paper always eventually mildews when I've moistened it and left it in a
plastic bag to print in and don't get around to it soon enough.  Some people
keep it in the freezer.  The moistness by itself shouldn't be a problem (my
house humidity has been 96 percent--I've seen stuff I've matted and
shrinkwrapped develop condensation inside on the shrinkwrapping at a sunny
outdoor art fair), and I have never had mildew in the framed pieces (at 96
percent humidity).   Your heat/moisture combination is a problem that I
would have also guessed fans would help.   Would chilly air conditioning be
feasible?  You would have to seal the piece up airtight with the silica if
you didn't want to constantly replace/bake it.

Marie--would you please reprint Yuri's e-mail address or the site we can
contact him at to try the Russian birch?  Thank you.

<^><^><^><^><^><^>
    Michelle Morrell
   jmmorrell@gci.net
<^><^><^><^><^><^>




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From: dimitris grammatikopulos <aenaonartst@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:46:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 13568] Re: hand-painting B&W 

The reason is the same as for making in them in the first place:
...just for the fun of it!
Regards,
Dimitris

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