Baren Digest             Thursday, 1 February 2001     Volume 14 : Number 1304


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From: GWohlken <blueman@pantek.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:41:45 -0500
Subject: [Baren 13180] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1303 

> I have more favorable response to the question of plagarism than visual
> borrowing.  If one is reasonably literate you will notice "borrowings"  the
> same is true of painting and style.  When I get to worrying about something
> that I am absolutely powerless over I decide to worry about world hunger or
> the AIDs epidemic in Asia.  I still get the stress and anxiety and I get the
> ego boost of knowing I am a "good" person..

I guess because once it happened to me with a poem I wrote.  The person
swore he did it by accident, but there was my poem, my own experience,
like a journal entry, with someone else's name attached.  He even
"corrected" it to his liking.  Yes, there are great worries in the
world, but our creative work is also our work and gives shape and
meaning to our lives on a spiritual level for it says "This was what
happened and this is how I saw it."  I don't dwell on it, and never had
given it a thought until that time.  When it happens to you personally,
it's different than you would have imagined.  I still fight the good
fight for my little part in those very big world issues, and I still
feel I am a good person.  But my work is my work and has my mindprint on
it. 

Gayle



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From: "Maria Arango" <maria@mariarango.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:53:19 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13183] Dan Smith new product charset="iso-8859-1" 

This in my mail box, might be of interest.

"Finally, as many of you have requested, we are proud to announce the new
line of Water-Soluble Relief Inks featuring six basic colors.  You can
review these new items and others by following this link
http://www.danielsmith.net/spring-2001/spring-2001-new.html."

I am not endorsing, just passing along.
Maria

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Maria Arango
Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
http://www.1000woodcuts.com
maria@mariarango.com
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From: B E Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:57:28 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13185] water soluble ink 

Maria,
I too saw the Dan Smith water soluble ink advertisment and ordered them. 
As soon as I have a chance to try them I will let everyone know how they 
are. Since #8 is done I should have a little time this next week.
Barbara

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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:51:29 EST
Subject: [Baren 13186] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1303 

My poems are very much little portions of my life.  It would be hard to see 
someone else claim that part of me.  I hope if it happens I never find out.

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From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:53:06 EST
Subject: [Baren 13187] Re:Copyright 

I think you will be interestd iin this because of the questions about 
plagiariism, etc. , lately
If you remember a few months ago I posted a Letter from the Editor,  written 
by Mike Ward, Director, The Artist's Magazine, November  1994, about my 
federal copyright case. My   town had appropriated my artwork, removed my 
signature, and sent it out as that Year's New Year Greeting. That was without 
my permission or knowledge.

Because they wouldn't acknowledge, correct , and apologize ,  after many 
trying months, the case went to court. The judge  required their 
acknowlegement, correction, and apology in our local newspapers.   I did not 
do this for the money , but the principle. The judge awarded me $10,000.
After the results came out in the newspaper the Mayor resigned,   both as 
Mayor and his job, sold his house, and moved to Vero Beach Florida.

Carol Lyons   Irvington, NY

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From: "Jean Eger" <jeaneger@LanMinds.Com>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:21:16 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13188] Gillyin Gatto charset="iso-8859-1" 

Hi Gillyin,
I have been a big fan of your woodcuts ever since I saw them on a group web
site a few years ago.  Then the web site disappeared and I searched all over
for you, to no avail.  Funny, because I had just gotten a cat and named her
"Gatto" (because I was learning Spanish and "gatto" means cat in Spanish.)
So of course the name was significant to me because I spoke that name
several times every day.  Anyway, I did click on your new home page, but it
was not available yet, so I guess you are going through the start-up
syndrome for web sites.  (It's very frustrating.) Anyway, I look forward to
viewing your prints again.
Jean Eger-Womack
http://www.jeaneger.com



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From: brad <brads@iea.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:29:06 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13189] Re: water soluble ink 

Hi,

> I too saw the Dan Smith water soluble ink advertisment and ordered them.
> As soon as I have a chance to try them I will let everyone know how they
> are. Since #8 is done I should have a little time this next week.
> Barbara
>=20

I've tried their black water soluble relief ink... Not bad...
But it didn=B9t seem to be _really_ 100% watersoluble... It ended up being
pretty greasy and sticking to my roller... Had to use salad oil to remove
the residue.

They might have changed it by now... And, at the time they didn't have
colors available, just their black.


Bs


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From: Aqua4tis@aol.com
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:19:15 EST
Subject: [Baren 13191] Re: Dan Smith new product 

In a message dated 01/31/2001 8:58:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
maria@mariarango.com writes:

> http://www.danielsmith.net/spring-2001/spring-2001-new.html."

maria and everyone
   can inks like these be used in hanga?
thanks
georga

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From: baren_member@barenforum.org (Margaret Szvetecz)
Date: 1 Feb 2001 04:21:24 -0000
Subject: [Baren 13192] water soluble inks 

Message posted by: Margaret Szvetecz

Although I have never used the Daniel Smith water soluble 
relief inks, I have used the Graphic Chemical water soluble 
relief inks.

I really liked/like the Graphic Chemical ones--but I must 
say that cleanup is not as easy as I thought it would be.  
The first time I used them I discovered that soap and water 
just didn't get the rollup slab or the brayer clean--I had 
to use mineral spirits, which pretty much defeated the 
purpose of using water soluble inks.  But after that I read 
something about using ammoniated water, and now I use 
something like Windex--something with ammonia or an 
ingredient comparable to ammonia.  I have to use a lot of 
it--really drench the brayer multiple times--but it works 
ok.

Margaret Szvetecz
szvetecz@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu



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From: Jim Bryant <Jim.Bryant@enmu.edu>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:33:21 -0700
Subject: [Baren 13193] Re: water soluble inks 

So what's the trick? I've bought the Dan Smith water soluble ink 
(black) -- and although it printed fine, i couldn't get a consistent 
edition out of it. I was pulling my hair out trying to get even 3 
that looked similar?!

jim-

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From: Brad Schwartz <brads@iea.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:52:13 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13194] Re: Gillyin Gatto 

on 1/31/01 12:21 PM, Jean Eger at jeaneger@LanMinds.Com said:

The web address is:
http://www.gattowoodcuts.com
This works... 
It won't click because she put >>> and <<< around it...

BS


- --
Brad Schwartz <brads@iea.com>
http://www.baschwar.com/ -- Printmakers List


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From: "Maria Arango" <maria@mariarango.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:04:15 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13195] Re: Dan Smith new product charset="iso-8859-1" 

>
> maria and everyone
>    can inks like these be used in hanga?
> thanks
> georga

Oh geez, I dunno. Better ask the hanga eggsperts on this one. I'm an oily
kind of a girl. I used speedball water-soluble inks one time for a demo and
threw them away shortly after in complete disgust. I had to take my brayers
in the hot bubble bath with me to get them cleaned up.
No, since I discovered baby-oil and windex for cleaning up oily inks I just
don't see the point. But maybe I'm missing out on the finer things in life?
I also drink cheap burgundy, what can I say...
Maria

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Maria Arango
Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
http://www.1000woodcuts.com
maria@mariarango.com
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From: Brad Schwartz <brads@iea.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:58:18 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13196] Re: water soluble inks 

on 1/31/01 8:33 PM, Jim Bryant at Jim.Bryant@enmu.edu said:

> So what's the trick? I've bought the Dan Smith water soluble ink
> (black) -- and although it printed fine, i couldn't get a consistent
> edition out of it. I was pulling my hair out trying to get even 3
> that looked similar?!

Yeah... Me too... I was pretty frustrated by it...
Now I print my lino cuts with litho ink... You can hold some very fine
detail and get very nice consistent blacks... Plus it is nearly impossible
to over ink since the ink is so stiff!! :)


Brad



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From: BBlitstein@netscape.net (Bonnie Blitstein)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 01:13:59 -0500
Subject: [Baren 13197] Re: Dan Smith new product 

baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp wrote:

>Hi ya I just wanted to point out that mineral oil works to remove oil based ink but cheap vegetable oil is just as good and possibly better cost wise and I think but I must look this up mineral oil degrades lino blocks somehow and also rubber based brayers etc...hmmm I must check this to be sure but this is what I was told....


Also speedball water based inks need a retarder otherwise they can be 
difficult....


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From: B E Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:53:55 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13198] speedball ink 

This is not a bad ink, it just needs damp paper to print. Paper with 
sizing works best. Dan uses it all the time, I use it a lot but usually 
just in my work with kids, not in my own work. I think the pigments are 
a little fugitive...meaning they are not as light fast as other inks. I 
will try the Dan Smith ink for hanga in the next week and let you know 
how it works.

Maria, I work a lot with young people and always use cooking oil to 
clean up and if I need a degreaser I use alcohol, but I don't need much 
of anything to degrease, just elbow grease and lot of  Viva paper 
towels. I am single handedly responsible for the jump in the price of 
their stock! So you are on the right track. I don't use windex as I use 
a lot of plexiglas for monotypes and windex has amonia in it and it 
seems to attack the plexi a bit. But it would be fine for woodblock or 
linoblock.
Best to all,
Barbara


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From: Greg Carter <artfool@bulloch.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 06:47:13 -0500
Subject: [Baren 13199] Re: Snakes 

Since most folks have my snake print by now, I will mention that I have a
few extra that I would send bareners if they give me their address offline.
It is a wood engraving which is so easy to print on a type presss so that I
made a lot.  I approached the snake theme from more of a symbolic point of
view.

I wish every body that got the card could of seen the stack of envelopes I
sent out.  I get free envelopes that are left over at the school store and
I sent out every shade of pastel there is.

Greg Carter



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From: "eli griggs" <eli.griggs@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 06:44:37 -0500
Subject: [Baren 13200] oil based ink clean-ups charset="iso-8859-1" 

Hi there:

I have recently started using peanut oil to clean up my oil based inks and
have found it works really well.

I had been using kerosene, as I was taught in printmaking class, but  was
alway less than happy about it because of the fumes and fire hazard.  There
is a  whole house, in floor, gas convection heater just outside my small
studio space and no door in-between.

I have found that the peanut oil clean up requires less work and If I feel
the need I finish cleaning up my brayers with a little Orange GOJO and
water.

I have simply been wiping down my blocks with a few drops of peanut oil and
a sheet or two of Bounty.  No worries so far!

Eli Griggs
Charlotte N.C.
USA


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From: Krista Harberson <kristah@mb.ginet.or.jp>
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 20:48:05 +0900
Subject: [Baren 13201] Re: oil based ink clean-ups 

murphy's oil soap works really well also. esp on hands and brayers and such.
just a thought.

eli griggs wrote:


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From: "Garth Hammond" <Garthart@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:26:16 -0700
Subject: [Baren 13202] Re: Dan Smith new product charset="iso-8859-1" 

RE: Baby Oil and Windex and Burgundy wine(cheap)

Talk to me!  Which do you use first?

Garth


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From: "Garth Hammond" <Garthart@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:30:53 -0700
Subject: [Baren 13203] Re: Dan Smith new product charset="iso-8859-1" 

RE:  Also speedball water based inks need a retarder otherwise they can be
difficult....

I have never had any luck with retarder use and speedball the climate here
is very dry.  I have not been able to get consistent prints - when I want to
do something for sale I use etching ink.  and it is a mess or I am.  Ideas?

Garth



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From: "Garth Hammond" <Garthart@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:45:52 -0700
Subject: [Baren 13205] Re: oil based ink clean-ups charset="iso-8859-1" 

murphy's oil soap works really well also. esp on hands and brayers and such.
just a thought

Krista,
I have found the same thing but the smell make me sick at my stomach.  Do
you or does anyone have something that works well and doesn't smell so bad?

Thanks

Garth


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From: Krista Harberson <kristah@mb.ginet.or.jp>
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 21:31:27 +0900
Subject: [Baren 13206] Re: oil based ink clean-ups 

well, i haven't ever used this but i have heard that mineral oil works well
also.

Garth Hammond wrote:


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