Baren Digest Wednesday, 31 January 2001 Volume 14 : Number 1303 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GWohlken Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:01:26 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13163] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1302 Bea, I always hesitate to post original poems on the web. That makes an unpublished poem vulnerable. Coffee house poets look for ideas, especially. Sometimes they publish little chapbooks to sell and wouldn't you just be angry if your poem appeared in one of them under someone else's name? I often wonder about our art, too--people coming in and snatching it up for little clip art images, etc. Does anyone have ideas about this? The web is rich with imagery from artists and how would we know what someone is doing with it locally, capitalizing on it. Am I being too paranoid, people? Gayle ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:02:45 EST Subject: [Baren 13164] Endangered species Well, I guess I'll let the cat out of the bag, or the monkey, in this case. My subject for my endangered species print is ANDi (which stands for "inserted DNA", using the letters backward), the genetically-altered monkey. I saw a picture of her and read about her in the news and was so moved, that the drawing came right out and I have to admit, my print is already done! I can include more info about her with my print if you folks think that would be interesting, hopefully the print will speak for itself in the way that her spirit spoke to me. happy printing all, Sarah ------------------------------ From: Claude Villeneuve Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:26:13 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13165] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1302 Gayle: Maybe you are getting worried for nothing. There are so many things on the web, I don't know how many billions of pages exist already with loads of text and images, enough to drown the whole universe in them. It is unlikely that someone will steal your ideas - especially a poem - not too many people are interested in that. If it was an original film script that one could sell to big production companies and make millions from, then I, too, would be worried, but I think your poetry is quite safe. As for images on the web, artists, being visual beings, they are inspired by everything they see. So they may unconsciously "borrow" from what they have seen either in books or on the web - but that's life, we don't live in a vacuum - we are all impressionable and affected by other people's images and ideas - that's also part of the fertilization process that enriches one's work. Your poem will grace the web with something beautiful and will make a lot of people happy. I think when you're ready you should post it. Not before. Claude AimŽe ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:42:01 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13166] Endangered Species Wow, couple things. #1. The Endangered Species show that the Florida Printmakers Society is hosting will be a JURIED exhibition. Once we have the prospectus done (this week I hope), I will be sending it out all over the world. I hope to see at least thirty entries from my fellow Barenites, since they are already doing an exchange on this theme. :-) #2. Anyone out there that has contacts to their own print organizations, contact me off list so I can make sure and get out a prospectus to you also. ddew@tampabay.rr.com or ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com #3. So far, about 6 people have contacted me about a mini-exchange on the endangered species idea. For those who haven't, I think we will need to talk off list about size limitations and the like. See ya off list. #4. I am now officially a wood man. Based on my last three prints, I don't think I'll be heading back to lino for awhile. I have found that I can carve the most beautiful thin line in cherry that I just couldn't achieve in lino. And I love the smell! oh well, back to work. dan dew ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:42:34 -0600 Subject: [Baren 13168] Re: Endangered species 01/30/2001 11:42:22 AM Sarah writes: "...I can include more info about her with my print if you folks think that would be interesting, hopefully the print will speak for itself in the way that her spirit spoke to me." Perhaps this is a very good idea if each one of us took a few extra minutes and wrote a little note to go along with the print. Perhaps just a thought about what moved you toward your particular subject. Of course I am thinking ahead for exhibition purposes where this info could be readily used alongside the print. The theme is a popular subject, sure to be accepted for shows. If I get the prints before May 19th they will be going on display for the Skokie Library exhibit (May 20 - June 22). Rather than have to track everyone down later, why not write your thoughts down now, send them with the print and have it all done with........ Julio (Skokie, Illinois) ------------------------------ From: barebonesart Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:09:42 -0800 Subject: [Baren 13169] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1302 Dan, Another abstract printmaker - Stanley Hayter himself - and, of course, Krishna Reddy! Sharri ------------------------------ From: Ray Hudson Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:13:54 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13170] Exchange 8 Excuse this general posting but the individual address doesn't seem to work. I wanted to let Bobbie Mandel know that her wonderful prints have arrived for Exchange 8. We're getting a great collection of work. Those in the exchange will be delighted; those who will turn in to the online exhibit will find some exciting work. I'm not putting Mary Tallmountain's poem "The Last Wolf" on Baren as I think it's really outside of our general interest, but if anyone else is interested just drop me a note. ------------------------------ From: Sunnffunn@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:54:37 EST Subject: [Baren 13171] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1302 I love sharing. I agree it would be upsetting to see someone profit from your poetry, but I just send it out anyways. I do the same with my art images. I did put a n ote on my web site, finally about them being mine. But I guess i just am not ging to be tht concerned, others may feel differently Marilynn ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:06:28 EST Subject: [Baren 13172] baren mall items Hi folks, how about giving reports on the baren mall items as you receive them? I'm particularly interested to hear about the different types of paper that are now available to us, and am sure to be buying some soon myself, but the question is, which kind(s)?? I print hanga-style, but sometimes use a thicker type of paper for bigger prints. best wishes all Sarah ------------------------------ From: B E Mason Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:59:46 -0800 Subject: [Baren 13173] paper Sarah, The baren mall, http://www.barenforum.org/mall will soon have the Yamaguchi paper that Graham had last year. Wanda and I have ordered it for the baren, with Dave's help, and we will sell it at a little over our cost to pay ourselves back eventually and to make the 10% for the baren kitty. It will be medium weight hand made paper, sized and about 16x20". It is at the sizer now so as soon as it lands in Oregon we will have the price and will make it available by the sheet if people want to try it. The advantage is it will ship so much less expensively in the USA and you can buy a small amount. April Vollmer says it is the best paper she has ever used, so that is a pretty good recommendation. The baren kitty will pay for exhibitions and postage so no coordinator or exhibitor of baren work will be out of pocket for expenses related to showing baren work. It will also pay for announcement cards for shows as soon as it builds up some money. So the more we buy, the more we pay ourselves to show our work. Barbara ------------------------------ From: "Jean Eger" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:34:40 -0800 Subject: [Baren 13175] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1302 charset="iso-8859-1" Perhaps there is someone lurking who can give me some technical advice on making a woodblock print. I am going to mix chromium green oxide dry pigment powder with gum arabic and methylcellulose. How do I mix the gum arabic power and water? What's the ratio of gum arabic powder to water? I am using Humco Acacia powder. Thanks for any helpful hints on this. Jean Eger-Womack http://www.jeaneger.com ------------------------------ From: BBlitstein@netscape.net (Bonnie Blitstein) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:45:47 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13176] Re: Revelation Yep kinda agree that a wood cut is a woodcut and a lino is a lino period, so why does one want a lino to look like woodcut and woodcut to look like lino....that's like saying I want an orange to be an apple and and a apple to be an orange...the mediums evolved to produce different results for a reason. Lino somebody discoverd ...you could carve flooring and revolution in printing and woodcut is as old as the heavens....it is what is....and on and on and on.... ------------------------------ From: "Gillyin Gatto" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:13:40 -0800 Subject: [Baren 13178] website hello to all bareners, after a very long haul i finally have a website>>>http://www.gattowoodcuts.com<<< i welcome any and all feedback and thank the Baren -and all its members- for being a positive motivator /encourager Gillyin Gatto Machias Maine USA ------------------------------ From: "Garth Hammond" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:19:15 -0700 Subject: [Baren 13179] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1302 charset="iso-8859-1" RE:Bea, I always hesitate to post original poems on the web. That makes an unpublished poem vulnerable. Coffee house poets look for ideas, especially. Sometimes they publish little chapbooks to sell and wouldn't you just be angry if your poem appeared in one of them under someone else's name? In my opinion you are being too paranoid and maybe too precious. "Coffee house poets" what is that about? Artist steal........that is how the whole wood cut tradition works. Manet liked the clarity of the woodcut he "borrowed". the Japanese tradition borrowed right back. Does this mean you don't do what you can to protect your expression? No, not if you are smart. I have more favorable response to the question of plagarism than visual borrowing. If one is reasonably literate you will notice "borrowings" the same is true of painting and style. When I get to worrying about something that I am absolutely powerless over I decide to worry about world hunger or the AIDs epidemic in Asia. I still get the stress and anxiety and I get the ego boost of knowing I am a "good" person.. Garth ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest v14 #1303 *****************************